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Replying To redser123:  "If I was Andy Mcentee I'd be pointing out Cathal Hickey's tackle on 42 minutes that led to Cillians 1st goal, sprinted 50 yards to turn his man over, the moment where the game completely swung. Outstanding."
Jesus that was great to see, didn't notice it at the time when looking at it. Showed some pace and great desire to win the ball back which is great to see. Could see him replacing Harkin against Mayo and Ronan Ryan playing corner back.

Barney12345 (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 24/05/2021 19:38:20    2345135

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Newman and walsh. But both injured. The other one is Ben Brennan, I'd start Brennan next week and see how he goes , he also offers a bit of aggression which might not be too bad against mayo."
Maybe Give Him a run ! Dont think hes good enough for county standard againts the better teams

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1176 - 24/05/2021 20:25:53    2345164

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Newman and walsh. But both injured. The other one is Ben Brennan, I'd start Brennan next week and see how he goes , he also offers a bit of aggression which might not be too bad against mayo."
He isn't on the panel anymore. He dropped himself off it a few weeks back

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 24/05/2021 20:54:38    2345182

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Maybe Give Him a run ! Dont think hes good enough for county standard againts the better teams"
Brennan is no longer on panel

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1807 - 24/05/2021 20:57:57    2345183

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Good win but Down were poor. Over the two games it's good to see how we could adapt to a variety of styles and use the bench effectively.

However I'm not sure we're at Mayos level but they will give us opportunities to score so Jordan, McMahon, Wallace and Costello might be able to do some damage but how we hold up at the back against their very attacking style and their half backs going forward will be key.

LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 464 - 24/05/2021 21:33:07    2345199

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "He isn't on the panel anymore. He dropped himself off it a few weeks back"
Didn't know that.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/05/2021 07:11:40    2345260

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Replying To bert09:  "Brennan is no longer on panel"
Whats goin on with that player on off over last few years.he was kicking frees in croker only few year ago.seems messy again

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 26/05/2021 11:07:40    2345596

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Whats goin on with that player on off over last few years.he was kicking frees in croker only few year ago.seems messy again"
He was injured for all of last year I believe, then this year felt he couldn't commit the time. And in the few years since he was kicking frees we've had Jordan Morris and Matt Costello come on the scene. Personally I don't think he's a huge loss, unless he provided leadership or character around the squad that we don't get to see but I don't think football wise we are missing out on much

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 26/05/2021 11:53:12    2345615

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Whats goin on with that player on off over last few years.he was kicking frees in croker only few year ago.seems messy again"
Unfortunately he's not an intercounty standard player. He was asked to train with and work on the kick out strategy and maybe that was his tipping point

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 26/05/2021 13:05:21    2345643

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Replying To brian:  "Unfortunately he's not an intercounty standard player. He was asked to train with and work on the kick out strategy and maybe that was his tipping point"
first of all, I don't know whether he is an "inter county" player or not....I have no way of knowing how he is performing within the set up , but more importantly I don't have a crystal ball to see where he may have progressed to in 2-3 years of county experience under his belt
I wish I had the clarity of thought of some on here as to who is Good enough or who is not. I famously remember our own Colm O Rourke rubbishing the Current Joint Manager of Tyrone as not being "good enough...and see how that worked out
Back to main point....this is a challenge for Andy & Co. If correct that is 2 (if Lenihan gone) and we are barely into the season
No matter what , at the heart of it is Communication....ben brennan & Lenighan were good enough & were "sold" on being involved 6 weeks, ago....so either that was wrong then...or its wrong now ….but again I say...challenge for Andy & Co to manage this ...its not a good sign....but thankfully results are going our way...so goodwill on the Managements side to handle this correctly

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 26/05/2021 13:33:42    2345655

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "first of all, I don't know whether he is an "inter county" player or not....I have no way of knowing how he is performing within the set up , but more importantly I don't have a crystal ball to see where he may have progressed to in 2-3 years of county experience under his belt
I wish I had the clarity of thought of some on here as to who is Good enough or who is not. I famously remember our own Colm O Rourke rubbishing the Current Joint Manager of Tyrone as not being "good enough...and see how that worked out
Back to main point....this is a challenge for Andy & Co. If correct that is 2 (if Lenihan gone) and we are barely into the season
No matter what , at the heart of it is Communication....ben brennan & Lenighan were good enough & were "sold" on being involved 6 weeks, ago....so either that was wrong then...or its wrong now ….but again I say...challenge for Andy & Co to manage this ...its not a good sign....but thankfully results are going our way...so goodwill on the Managements side to handle this correctly"
Plenty of lads left the panel in 2017/18 time. Donnacha Tobin, Paddy O'Rourke, O'Coilean, the Wallace's, Brian Power, Brian Conlon. And the team then made the super 8's and got promoted in 2019. It's better to have guys who are absolutely committed and have no doubt on it. Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion who baring injury were nailed on starters and stars for Dublin aren't playing anymore. This isn't seen as a crisis for Dessie Farrell or Dublin, it's just guys personal choices. Ben Brennan, Lenihan and I think McCoy have now left. They are guys who've been on the panel 4 or 5 years. Are in their late 20's or close to 30 and weren't getting game time. It's a massive commitment but it's necessary. If they aren't getting the game time it's understandable why you'd step away. But you can't be giving guys game time just to keep lads happy either. That's a luxury you can have if you don't value the league that much, but the league is very important to our teams development

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 26/05/2021 14:01:09    2345668

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Plenty of lads left the panel in 2017/18 time. Donnacha Tobin, Paddy O'Rourke, O'Coilean, the Wallace's, Brian Power, Brian Conlon. And the team then made the super 8's and got promoted in 2019. It's better to have guys who are absolutely committed and have no doubt on it. Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion who baring injury were nailed on starters and stars for Dublin aren't playing anymore. This isn't seen as a crisis for Dessie Farrell or Dublin, it's just guys personal choices. Ben Brennan, Lenihan and I think McCoy have now left. They are guys who've been on the panel 4 or 5 years. Are in their late 20's or close to 30 and weren't getting game time. It's a massive commitment but it's necessary. If they aren't getting the game time it's understandable why you'd step away. But you can't be giving guys game time just to keep lads happy either. That's a luxury you can have if you don't value the league that much, but the league is very important to our teams development"
to me this is equally about Andy's development as a Man Manager. And remember...we are all here speculating. Im making the point that a number of weeks ago these lads (3 now) had an understanding of where they stood....Im quite certain every player has a broad understanding of the pecking order...by broad I mean..top 15, top 20, top 25,
Im sure these 3 had an expectation of where they could fit in....now a short period later...that is not the case anymore...So all im saying is that as much as we don't have the luxury of taking the leaguer with a pinch of salt...so too is the argument that Andy needs to deal with this calmly & positively and convey right message for Broader Group As much as the players themselves
What I don't like here is how we are conveying a message about these lads stepping back, Im hoping Andy makes a better fist of it than we are

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 26/05/2021 14:45:55    2345682

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "to me this is equally about Andy's development as a Man Manager. And remember...we are all here speculating. Im making the point that a number of weeks ago these lads (3 now) had an understanding of where they stood....Im quite certain every player has a broad understanding of the pecking order...by broad I mean..top 15, top 20, top 25,
Im sure these 3 had an expectation of where they could fit in....now a short period later...that is not the case anymore...So all im saying is that as much as we don't have the luxury of taking the leaguer with a pinch of salt...so too is the argument that Andy needs to deal with this calmly & positively and convey right message for Broader Group As much as the players themselves
What I don't like here is how we are conveying a message about these lads stepping back, Im hoping Andy makes a better fist of it than we are"
They could have been told you'll get game time if you're going well in training. Brennan left pre league. And then Lenihan and McCoy left having been on the bench but not getting on. Maybe they just weren't going well in training. If Andy had told them pre league that they weren't looking at getting game them then they probably would have left then anyway. I'd much rather focus on the 35 or so players that are still there giving it their all. If there are guys who are leaving after 2 games of a season it's clear their heart wasn't in it anyway. Is there not a strong chance that these lads don't have a massive fall out with Andy but just couldn't justify giving the massive amounts of commitment given they are at an age where they are probably getting more serious and progressing with work and just decided to step away. And if nothing else those saying about 7 players from one club, two of them are now gone haha

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 26/05/2021 14:57:18    2345683

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "They could have been told you'll get game time if you're going well in training. Brennan left pre league. And then Lenihan and McCoy left having been on the bench but not getting on. Maybe they just weren't going well in training. If Andy had told them pre league that they weren't looking at getting game them then they probably would have left then anyway. I'd much rather focus on the 35 or so players that are still there giving it their all. If there are guys who are leaving after 2 games of a season it's clear their heart wasn't in it anyway. Is there not a strong chance that these lads don't have a massive fall out with Andy but just couldn't justify giving the massive amounts of commitment given they are at an age where they are probably getting more serious and progressing with work and just decided to step away. And if nothing else those saying about 7 players from one club, two of them are now gone haha"
you win!...I have Cows to bring in

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 26/05/2021 15:10:47    2345687

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "They could have been told you'll get game time if you're going well in training. Brennan left pre league. And then Lenihan and McCoy left having been on the bench but not getting on. Maybe they just weren't going well in training. If Andy had told them pre league that they weren't looking at getting game them then they probably would have left then anyway. I'd much rather focus on the 35 or so players that are still there giving it their all. If there are guys who are leaving after 2 games of a season it's clear their heart wasn't in it anyway. Is there not a strong chance that these lads don't have a massive fall out with Andy but just couldn't justify giving the massive amounts of commitment given they are at an age where they are probably getting more serious and progressing with work and just decided to step away. And if nothing else those saying about 7 players from one club, two of them are now gone haha"
If there are guys who are leaving after 2 games of a season it's clear their heart wasn't in it anyway.

If these guys have been around and training for more than one season then I think your assertion that their heart was not in it is a big stretch and typical keyboard warrior stuff imho.

stillaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 26/05/2021 16:32:31    2345718

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Replying To stillaroyal:  "If there are guys who are leaving after 2 games of a season it's clear their heart wasn't in it anyway.

If these guys have been around and training for more than one season then I think your assertion that their heart was not in it is a big stretch and typical keyboard warrior stuff imho."
I'm not suggesting that their heart was never in it. Just that for this year, without a guarantee of playing time that they may have felt that it was hard to commit to it at the stage of their life they are at. I don't think that's slandering them in any way. And it's a totally understandable decision, county football is an enormous commitment. And I respect the effort that the 3 guys named have given to Meath over the past few years

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 26/05/2021 17:10:24    2345725

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "
Replying To stillaroyal:  "If there are guys who are leaving after 2 games of a season it's clear their heart wasn't in it anyway.

If these guys have been around and training for more than one season then I think your assertion that their heart was not in it is a big stretch and typical keyboard warrior stuff imho."
I'm not suggesting that their heart was never in it. Just that for this year, without a guarantee of playing time that they may have felt that it was hard to commit to it at the stage of their life they are at. I don't think that's slandering them in any way. And it's a totally understandable decision, county football is an enormous commitment. And I respect the effort that the 3 guys named have given to Meath over the past few years"
Fair enough. Cheers.

stillaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 26/05/2021 17:22:19    2345727

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Plenty of lads left the panel in 2017/18 time. Donnacha Tobin, Paddy O'Rourke, O'Coilean, the Wallace's, Brian Power, Brian Conlon. And the team then made the super 8's and got promoted in 2019. It's better to have guys who are absolutely committed and have no doubt on it. Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion who baring injury were nailed on starters and stars for Dublin aren't playing anymore. This isn't seen as a crisis for Dessie Farrell or Dublin, it's just guys personal choices. Ben Brennan, Lenihan and I think McCoy have now left. They are guys who've been on the panel 4 or 5 years. Are in their late 20's or close to 30 and weren't getting game time. It's a massive commitment but it's necessary. If they aren't getting the game time it's understandable why you'd step away. But you can't be giving guys game time just to keep lads happy either. That's a luxury you can have if you don't value the league that much, but the league is very important to our teams development"
McCaffrey, Mannion etc left at the end or in between seasons… in an organised dignified manner.

They didn't leave after throwing the head during the season like a lot of Meath lads under McEntee have. Longwoodslasher has a valid point here… it's not normal.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 27/05/2021 10:24:36    2345820

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Replying To brian:  "Unfortunately he's not an intercounty standard player. He was asked to train with and work on the kick out strategy and maybe that was his tipping point"
Think it's a bit unfair to say he is not inter county standard.He was on the panel for few years so he must have something about him.I think the Leinster final v Dublin when he missed a few handy enough frees (I'm sure he knows himself)knocked him back a bit.He got alot of stick for that and in a way was made a bit of a scapegoat (in my opinion)for the loss even though the whole forward line was poor that day.Maybe it's just the sheer commitment,could be work related who knows but I wish him and the two other lads all the best and thanks for all they gave.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 27/05/2021 11:48:04    2345849

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Replying To Crinigan:  "McCaffrey, Mannion etc left at the end or in between seasons… in an organised dignified manner.

They didn't leave after throwing the head during the season like a lot of Meath lads under McEntee have. Longwoodslasher has a valid point here… it's not normal."
How do we know they threw the head? Is it not far more likely that in about year 4 or 5 on the panel and not getting game time that they felt that the massive commitment would be better directed towards their club and towards their jobs and career progression, I just don't think there was a massive bust up and the players and management losing the head at eachother. I think it was more calculated than that

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 27/05/2021 12:03:14    2345854

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