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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Is this cathal finnegan your talking about ?? Hes ok but brian clarke and brian sheridan take alot of them aswell for seneschalstown ! Hes not the answer at all"
With free taking such a huge problem, It really goes to show the stubbornness of Andy McEntee that he never brought in Minor Allstar from 2 years ago Luke Mitchell even for a trial whose free taking is the best in the county, It beggars belief that after the last 4 years anyone would contemplate for a second that McEntee would stay. Is that how low our expectations have become that we want to keep a manager who appears his best attribute for the job and something he proved very often he is good at, that is to blame referees for Meath woes. So this is where we are at, Let's Keep McEntee, it is a very sad state of affairs in Meath, if people think McEntee is the man to get the most out of that bunch of young footballers.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 22/11/2020 18:58:36    2313165

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Is this cathal finnegan your talking about ?? Hes ok but brian clarke and brian sheridan take alot of them aswell for seneschalstown ! Hes not the answer at all"
That's he! He did well for u21s I thought as well. I'm a fan anyways.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 22/11/2020 19:31:58    2313248

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Replying To Meathball:  "With free taking such a huge problem, It really goes to show the stubbornness of Andy McEntee that he never brought in Minor Allstar from 2 years ago Luke Mitchell even for a trial whose free taking is the best in the county, It beggars belief that after the last 4 years anyone would contemplate for a second that McEntee would stay. Is that how low our expectations have become that we want to keep a manager who appears his best attribute for the job and something he proved very often he is good at, that is to blame referees for Meath woes. So this is where we are at, Let's Keep McEntee, it is a very sad state of affairs in Meath, if people think McEntee is the man to get the most out of that bunch of young footballers."
I've seen Luke Mitchell a lot and although he is fantastically talented at scoring and free taking he is as skinny as anything. I seen him get bullied when trying to win his own ball vs Lavin for Dunboyne and against the Dubs at under 20. He absolutely has the talent to be a marquee forward and the free taker but he would never have been ready this year. He is the same age but Costello is miles better physically developed. I agree that he should be on the panel next year for sure but it's with a view to developing him to be physically able for it. If he takes to the S&C and gym work and eats it up then he could play next year. If he doesn't then it'll take a few years before it happens more naturally

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 22/11/2020 19:40:43    2313262

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Replying To nobull456:  "Yes Have to agree very poor management responses to long time weaknesses. Our younger players need help and encouragement through good management and particularily confidence building coaching. Clearly lacking . I think i would try to avoid changing management if possible on one condition. If management readily accept that they need help with the job in certain areas then then give it to them. Jim Gavin did not do it on his own for Dublin , he got help. If help is not accepted then bye bye. We cannot continue as we are ,and hope for better outcome. I fear if things stay as they are ,then a lot more lads might take the opportunity to go travelling.
Maybe somebody at the right level may bite the bullet by taking stock of just where we are at. We know the answer there . Management issues being left unattended should be top of the agenda."
Yes younger lads need encouragement and proper coaching, if we avoid changing entire management setup I think they will just squeese the life out of them.This is plain to see in case of Walsh and Reilly (who both have potential) have not improved since introduced to the squad, Walsh at present is not a ball winning full-forward, too slow when in possession and very weak when competing for ball.He can improve but only with right coaching. Same weakness runs throughout team. We seemed to get defence right last year, but McGill and Lavin especially, have gone backwards at alarming rate. Two comments made on TV today that really apply to Meath. COR at Tipp match said the basic for any team is a good keeper and two forwards who can kick frees (not sure if this was dig at Meath) Tipp manager said this win will insure a generation of young lads will want to pull on Tipp football jersey. Thats a big problem we have young lads who have little interest in Meath football and who can blame them. The young lads who joined panel this year deserve better.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 22/11/2020 19:44:04    2313270

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Can anyone answer the below?

Best goalkeeper in Meath: Jimmy Corcoran, currently playing with Drumbaragh and 3rd choice at Dundalk after being released from Preston NE. Not on panel. Has he been asked?

Best fielder: Cian McBride. Why wasn't he playing? He had a small injury but was he left out altogether then?

Best free takers in Meath: Aaron Lynch, Daithi McGowan, Barry Dardis. None on panel. Anyone know why?"
Yes Jimmy Corcoran is a good goalie also a fantastic outfield player.
Aaron lynch a great forward but small like Wallace , McMahon, Banty and the rest. Morris , Walsh and O'Reilly are all very good free takers. It takes some adjustment to get used to playing in Croke Park with the height of the stands it makes the goals appear much closer than they actually are. Dublin definitely have an advantage when playing there regularly.

I wouldn't agree with the assessment of McBride he has no experience at adult level . He played junior last year the Ultans and rarely at mid field. So how could you say he's the best in Meath.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 540 - 22/11/2020 20:26:31    2313357

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Replying To Crinigan:  "That's he! He did well for u21s I thought as well. I'm a fan anyways."
Your entilted to your opinion ! Hes an up and coming club senior player but taking him in just for frees alone is a non starter ! He wouldnt score enough frees

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1176 - 22/11/2020 20:27:33    2313361

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Replying To latouche25:  "Yes Jimmy Corcoran is a good goalie also a fantastic outfield player.
Aaron lynch a great forward but small like Wallace , McMahon, Banty and the rest. Morris , Walsh and O'Reilly are all very good free takers. It takes some adjustment to get used to playing in Croke Park with the height of the stands it makes the goals appear much closer than they actually are. Dublin definitely have an advantage when playing there regularly.

I wouldn't agree with the assessment of McBride he has no experience at adult level . He played junior last year the Ultans and rarely at mid field. So how could you say he's the best in Meath."
He caught an awful lot of ball for Ultans from centre forward that I saw and at minor level, his field was extraordinary. And lets face it, there is very little high fielding on display in club football in the county at present.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 22/11/2020 20:36:02    2313378

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I've seen Luke Mitchell a lot and although he is fantastically talented at scoring and free taking he is as skinny as anything. I seen him get bullied when trying to win his own ball vs Lavin for Dunboyne and against the Dubs at under 20. He absolutely has the talent to be a marquee forward and the free taker but he would never have been ready this year. He is the same age but Costello is miles better physically developed. I agree that he should be on the panel next year for sure but it's with a view to developing him to be physically able for it. If he takes to the S&C and gym work and eats it up then he could play next year. If he doesn't then it'll take a few years before it happens more naturally"
LeitrimRoyal, Ross Treacy, the Drogheda United (ex Swansea City) goalkeeper, he's from Navan I understand, has he ever played GAA do you know with any of Navan clubs?

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 22/11/2020 20:40:46    2313386

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If there is one good reason to get rid of McEntee it has got to be the goalkeeper crisis. How Colgan sticks around and looks at a 37 year old get picked ahead of him. Yorke was humiliated in 35 minutes. For me he was not given a chance to rectify a poor first half. Going forward two new keepers need to be brought in. Corcoran and one other. Do we actually have a goalkeeper coach?

Greensheen (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 22/11/2020 22:11:00    2313526

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Replying To Crinigan:  "LeitrimRoyal, Ross Treacy, the Drogheda United (ex Swansea City) goalkeeper, he's from Navan I understand, has he ever played GAA do you know with any of Navan clubs?"
This I don't know I'm afraid haven't heard about it

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 22/11/2020 22:21:13    2313536

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Replying To Greensheen:  "If there is one good reason to get rid of McEntee it has got to be the goalkeeper crisis. How Colgan sticks around and looks at a 37 year old get picked ahead of him. Yorke was humiliated in 35 minutes. For me he was not given a chance to rectify a poor first half. Going forward two new keepers need to be brought in. Corcoran and one other. Do we actually have a goalkeeper coach?"
GK coach is one Marcus/Mark Brennan

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 22/11/2020 23:28:37    2313578

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Fair play to you Leitrim Royal you have the answers. Cluxton doing his stuff for 14 years now... and we haven't taken a few young GK and trained them yet. Somehow. Inexplicably. And now in 2020 we've a 37 year old in goals.

Likes of Corcoran, jaysus job should be found for him and have him trained up, he's a class keeper. Gary Rodgers is old but he's a pro keeper who has played at highest level, would be play a couple of seasons? He's out of contract next month.

Something has to be done lads, and fast re GK situation.

On the free takers, has to be someone who kicks off the ground. Only option. Only the truly exceptional can kick out of hands consistently well. That's why I say McGowan. Finneagan at Senchalstown is prob best in Meath off the ground, off both feet. I don't care if he stands there for rest of game scratching his hoop, we need an 80% free taker."
Gary Rodgers is older than Brennan, so replace a 37 year old with an older man

Jaysus I'd love some of what you're having

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 22/11/2020 23:50:28    2313591

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I don't get why people are quick to say who else would be on the panel and change things. The only thing I would question Andy about would be his handling of the goalie situation. But in fairness some of the blame falls on the players for not fielding the ball either especially of kickouts. In terms of who else could be on the panel? I think he pretty much has the best in meath on the team. We need to be realistic and understand that Dublin have a unbelievable team and they play the game with a pace that no team in ireland can cope with. We have tried to build a team around speed but Dublin are faster then us and way more physically developed. The only thing that worrys me is the players give up all their time to training week in and out and go out and get demolised like that its hard to find any reason to sacrifice your time when your fighting such a up hill battle.

CMAN1570 (Meath) - Posts: 56 - 23/11/2020 02:19:53    2313613

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Replying To Greensheen:  "If there is one good reason to get rid of McEntee it has got to be the goalkeeper crisis. How Colgan sticks around and looks at a 37 year old get picked ahead of him. Yorke was humiliated in 35 minutes. For me he was not given a chance to rectify a poor first half. Going forward two new keepers need to be brought in. Corcoran and one other. Do we actually have a goalkeeper coach?"
Ye hes in goals now.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 23/11/2020 07:39:46    2313619

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The most annoying thing for me in the middle was that when we did kick it long our men are standing under the ball waiting for it to drop down while the Dublin players were always coming onto the ball at a run which nearly guarantees them to win in the jump or palm it to the side to the waiting man. A man running will always out jump a static jumper. That's just the basic mechanics of jumping and tells me that they are not being coached properly, or they dont have the intelligence to realise this.

Go to one of the basketball matchs in dublin and from under 17 level there will be kids hanging off the rim. Thats 10ft in the air. Thats nothing to do with size, just proper mechanics and coaching.

The other thing dublin forwards are superb at that our men just could not handle was they sauntered around with our men 5 yards off them thinking all is good. They then run in close to our man to engage him then give him a shove and tear off in the opposite direction which meant in the space of 2 or 3 seconds our guys are 10-15 yards off where they should be.

But this is the same old story. I don't know if management just cant see the obvious that every other person in the county could see for years now, keeper, kickout strategy. I would far rather the keeper put the ball in the dugout all night and give us a chance to get set defensively than try the short kicking as it was atrocious to watch. Can anyone argue that any progress has been made here in 4 years?

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 23/11/2020 09:12:15    2313638

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Not one to kick ye when ye are down but the way meath set up on Saturday was madness. Ye hadnt a hope of winning without a change of goalie and a free taker. The goalie is too slow to pull the trigger on his kickouts and misses men who have gotten free and into space. Without a free taker ye missed a few handy pop overs. Mcstay commented that you could see the confidence seeping out of morris when he missed that short free. Hes a good footballer and finding his feet at intercounty level. I dont think he should of been on the frees.

Caoimhog88 (Kildare) - Posts: 82 - 23/11/2020 09:23:07    2313644

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Replying To Meathball:  "With free taking such a huge problem, It really goes to show the stubbornness of Andy McEntee that he never brought in Minor Allstar from 2 years ago Luke Mitchell even for a trial whose free taking is the best in the county, It beggars belief that after the last 4 years anyone would contemplate for a second that McEntee would stay. Is that how low our expectations have become that we want to keep a manager who appears his best attribute for the job and something he proved very often he is good at, that is to blame referees for Meath woes. So this is where we are at, Let's Keep McEntee, it is a very sad state of affairs in Meath, if people think McEntee is the man to get the most out of that bunch of young footballers."
mcentee far from ideal....but look around he is still the best option by a long way. If anyone thinks that replacing him gets us any closer to Dublin they are dreamin. Two things need to be done ...the first is to get us into that bottom tier of the Top 8 Teams in the Country on a consistent basis , and on that score McEntee has a C , maybe a c+......the other thing, is way beyond McEntee , which is to compete with Dublin.....thats way beyond any one man, and it links into County Board re- structure & clean out , full time county secretary (paid) , review of administration , coaching plan & policy, and an acceptance by the next man into the job after andy of what their job is ….one of andy's biggest weaknesses , when it comes to Dublin , is he cant believe that we shouldn't actually be competing with them . that delusion counts against him every time we go out against them in any game of importance . next man in needs to add to his work done on conditioning and structure ….but he must have an emphasis on the longer term beyond glory for himself ...and that means COACHING....Has anyone asked why andy has used 11 goalies?......Is ssimple....he was plugging gaps to try to win games...instead of picking two /three young keepers 4 years ago, and develop them over his tenure....ANDY is not a coach he is a manager...and we need a man after him that realises the reality of where we are at. BTW...thats not Nally . The next man in if he is any good should be saying to himself that he wont win anything....but he will lay the ground for the next one after him to finally bring us back to the top table.....but if that vision is not with the employers -County Board..htf are we ever going to have a step by step plan to ascend ..

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 23/11/2020 10:25:17    2313705

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "mcentee far from ideal....but look around he is still the best option by a long way. If anyone thinks that replacing him gets us any closer to Dublin they are dreamin. Two things need to be done ...the first is to get us into that bottom tier of the Top 8 Teams in the Country on a consistent basis , and on that score McEntee has a C , maybe a c+......the other thing, is way beyond McEntee , which is to compete with Dublin.....thats way beyond any one man, and it links into County Board re- structure & clean out , full time county secretary (paid) , review of administration , coaching plan & policy, and an acceptance by the next man into the job after andy of what their job is ….one of andy's biggest weaknesses , when it comes to Dublin , is he cant believe that we shouldn't actually be competing with them . that delusion counts against him every time we go out against them in any game of importance . next man in needs to add to his work done on conditioning and structure ….but he must have an emphasis on the longer term beyond glory for himself ...and that means COACHING....Has anyone asked why andy has used 11 goalies?......Is ssimple....he was plugging gaps to try to win games...instead of picking two /three young keepers 4 years ago, and develop them over his tenure....ANDY is not a coach he is a manager...and we need a man after him that realises the reality of where we are at. BTW...thats not Nally . The next man in if he is any good should be saying to himself that he wont win anything....but he will lay the ground for the next one after him to finally bring us back to the top table.....but if that vision is not with the employers -County Board..htf are we ever going to have a step by step plan to ascend .."
I had considered that maybe McEntee could be kept on but that we get new coaches and new ideas in. As you say, he's more of a facilitator and an overall manager than a coach and in fairness I'd say he's top class at that.

Maybe he left kickout and freetaking to his coaches, we don't know. But the buck still stops with him though and last Saturday was worst I've ever seen Meath play in 40 years.

The minimum should be having a goalkeeper, a free taker and players marking their men and putting pressure on Dublin forwards. Even if we were bet still by 30 points, that's the minimum. We didn't even get close to that though!!!

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 23/11/2020 10:49:50    2313740

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Replying To Caoimhog88:  "Not one to kick ye when ye are down but the way meath set up on Saturday was madness. Ye hadnt a hope of winning without a change of goalie and a free taker. The goalie is too slow to pull the trigger on his kickouts and misses men who have gotten free and into space. Without a free taker ye missed a few handy pop overs. Mcstay commented that you could see the confidence seeping out of morris when he missed that short free. Hes a good footballer and finding his feet at intercounty level. I dont think he should of been on the frees."
100%. Kildare would've given them a much better game in hindsight. Any chance ye would give us the gk Aaron O'Neil since ye aren't using him?!

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 23/11/2020 10:53:07    2313745

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Ye hes in goals now."
That just about says it all. I don't think that he is good enough, felt sorry for him in fact. But realistically this is partly his doing so unfortunately some of the criticism directed towards him is justified. And whoever mentioned Gary Rogers please. Age waits for no man, best days behind him. Also Keoghan for me needs to come back into the full back line. Lavin was poor and in fairness to Toner this is just not his position. I would reserve judgement on him as he needs to get a run further out to make an impact. Harkin looks like he may be decent too considering he played junior football. He will improve with time in that squad.

Greensheen (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 23/11/2020 11:09:42    2313779

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