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Under 20 Competition

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I see there is talk of changing the under 20 competition to an under 19 competition (National). That would leave us with with Minor (Under 17) and Under 19.

I think this would be a bad move. Firstly I think a 3 year gap between two significant age groups is just about right but I also think you will have boys under 19 who are doing leaving or just starting out their first year in college.

In terms of 2021, it would mean that boys born in 2001(unless they played last year) will miss out on an opportunity which I think is a shame

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 515 - 05/11/2020 13:43:04    2305319

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listening to Moyles on the OTB podcast during the week, he mentioned that the u20 manager for 2021 still wasn't in place, we gave ourselves no chance last year with Ger Robinson's team not getting started till mid December are we going to make the same mistakes again.
we can give out about Dublin being so well funded but we have to get the basics right here in Meath and help ourselves? Being organised doesn't cost anything extra
the Kildare & Dublin Management teams are all in place and have started

ABD09 (Meath) - Posts: 68 - 26/11/2020 09:44:22    2315521

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Replying To ABD09:  "listening to Moyles on the OTB podcast during the week, he mentioned that the u20 manager for 2021 still wasn't in place, we gave ourselves no chance last year with Ger Robinson's team not getting started till mid December are we going to make the same mistakes again.
we can give out about Dublin being so well funded but we have to get the basics right here in Meath and help ourselves? Being organised doesn't cost anything extra
the Kildare & Dublin Management teams are all in place and have started"
The question is why is this happening lots of shenagins goin on or just pure stupidity from people in power to make these decisions.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 26/11/2020 10:45:09    2315541

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "The question is why is this happening lots of shenagins goin on or just pure stupidity from people in power to make these decisions."
im a bit of a broken record , giving out about CB , and look thats not fair to a lot of good people who are there or who have been there over the last number of years. And for me to just keep labelling the CB as clowns is totally wrong. . I do think at the root of it is a disconnect....call it even a mistrust...between administrators generally on the one side....and Management & players on the other...and very often it leads to really bad communication between both sides, and the odd time going totally separate directions ...until this disconnect is solved....any additional resources will be wasted

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 26/11/2020 16:22:50    2315667

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "im a bit of a broken record , giving out about CB , and look thats not fair to a lot of good people who are there or who have been there over the last number of years. And for me to just keep labelling the CB as clowns is totally wrong. . I do think at the root of it is a disconnect....call it even a mistrust...between administrators generally on the one side....and Management & players on the other...and very often it leads to really bad communication between both sides, and the odd time going totally separate directions ...until this disconnect is solved....any additional resources will be wasted"
Call a spade a spade here.
Is there others who want this job and just dragging it out leads to the shar well have to go with whats there already.is there a panel of lads waiting or is ger robinson getting things together has he full control of it.seems a very bit lapsed situation thats not adding up.you imagine we'd hear who in or out.being around gaa circles not a peep out of any camps.wasnt kevin reilly involved there hes with trim now.so someone has replace him.not adding up.any wonder we are behind the gain line all the time.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 26/11/2020 17:58:14    2315694

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Replying To ABD09:  "listening to Moyles on the OTB podcast during the week, he mentioned that the u20 manager for 2021 still wasn't in place, we gave ourselves no chance last year with Ger Robinson's team not getting started till mid December are we going to make the same mistakes again.
we can give out about Dublin being so well funded but we have to get the basics right here in Meath and help ourselves? Being organised doesn't cost anything extra
the Kildare & Dublin Management teams are all in place and have started"
Absolutely spot on. Been saying it for years about under 20/21s. Management is as important as seniors for this grade. Its beyond a joke. Common sense doesn't cost millions!

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1807 - 26/11/2020 18:39:44    2315711

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It's where we are falling behind. At the 1998 age, we beat Dublin 1-18 to 2-5 at minor, 2 years later we lost to Dublin by 12 at under 20. At the 2000 age, we beat Dublin by 5 points twice, 3 years later Dublin beat us by 13. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is where we are going wrong. There needs to be a continuation from under 17 to 20 with under 18 and 19 development squads. Obviously not as full-on but just to get up to speed with S&C, professional attitude, extra skills practice. Along with emphasizing the importance of playing competitive 3rd level football if attending college and driving standards with your club. This isn't being done and it is failing talented players. We've another Leinster under 17 team playing under 20 next year and I have 0 faith that they would win Leinster. We have reached 1 Leinster under 20/21 final since 2001. Dublin have won 10 in that time (6 of the last 7) and 5 all Irelands on top of that. We need to fix this, it's the number 1 issue for the county teams at the minute. We have turned the tide at minor since 2016 we have 5 wins and 2 losses against Dublin at under 17/18. We have a team with Costello, Hickey, Mitchell, O'Hare, Sean Brennan, Jack Flynn, maybe Eoghan Fryane and Conor Gray. There's talent there but with no management team appointed yet it looks like we are failing them again

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 26/11/2020 20:43:55    2315751

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "It's where we are falling behind. At the 1998 age, we beat Dublin 1-18 to 2-5 at minor, 2 years later we lost to Dublin by 12 at under 20. At the 2000 age, we beat Dublin by 5 points twice, 3 years later Dublin beat us by 13. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is where we are going wrong. There needs to be a continuation from under 17 to 20 with under 18 and 19 development squads. Obviously not as full-on but just to get up to speed with S&C, professional attitude, extra skills practice. Along with emphasizing the importance of playing competitive 3rd level football if attending college and driving standards with your club. This isn't being done and it is failing talented players. We've another Leinster under 17 team playing under 20 next year and I have 0 faith that they would win Leinster. We have reached 1 Leinster under 20/21 final since 2001. Dublin have won 10 in that time (6 of the last 7) and 5 all Irelands on top of that. We need to fix this, it's the number 1 issue for the county teams at the minute. We have turned the tide at minor since 2016 we have 5 wins and 2 losses against Dublin at under 17/18. We have a team with Costello, Hickey, Mitchell, O'Hare, Sean Brennan, Jack Flynn, maybe Eoghan Fryane and Conor Gray. There's talent there but with no management team appointed yet it looks like we are failing them again"
You are right that we need to keep continuation as much as possible with development squads from u17 through u18, u19 to u21. Its pretty sad that no one is even contesting the main roles in the County Board this year which means although the same mistakes were made last year among them, appointing Ger Robinson way too late, no one is interested in challenging for a spot at the top table or wanting to have a go at changing how things get done in Meath GAA.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 26/11/2020 23:09:35    2315799

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Replying To Meathball:  "You are right that we need to keep continuation as much as possible with development squads from u17 through u18, u19 to u21. Its pretty sad that no one is even contesting the main roles in the County Board this year which means although the same mistakes were made last year among them, appointing Ger Robinson way too late, no one is interested in challenging for a spot at the top table or wanting to have a go at changing how things get done in Meath GAA."
Continuation is so important, especially when it's off the back of success. Ronan Kerins and Joe Treanor were the managers of Leinster winning teams in 2017 and 2018 and haven't managed for Meath since. Awful stuff

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 27/11/2020 00:03:31    2315813

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Continuation is so important, especially when it's off the back of success. Ronan Kerins and Joe Treanor were the managers of Leinster winning teams in 2017 and 2018 and haven't managed for Meath since. Awful stuff"
what is awful stuff is the constant personality battles at CB level in the appointment or reappointment of Managers & Coaches . Whether Kerins or Treanor should or should not be re appointed , I can guarantee you that the Bests interest of the Group of Players , was not the key consideration as to whether they are back in or nt....most likely their faith is determined as to whether they are aligned to a particular element in CB , or whether they ****** some suit off or not. Like bottom line lads is...these are political appointments....UNLESS, the managers record is so strong that CB cant ignore it....In the absence of really strong candidates...the CB can get the people in that they want , that they have the balance of power over...Too many spanners at County Board & Club committee level THINK they know best when it comes to running a Team & picking a sqaud

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 27/11/2020 09:46:21    2315849

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re appointment i'm not from Dunboyne but Moyles stated McEntee has asked for the appointment of Robinson(both Dunboyne) it is imperative that the u20 and Senior managers have a strong working relationship as there is going to be crossover with the panels. also the u20 manager should be able to give strong feedback on the younger players that could be considered for the Senior Panel in the future.

ABD09 (Meath) - Posts: 68 - 27/11/2020 10:41:25    2315869

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Replying To ABD09:  "re appointment i'm not from Dunboyne but Moyles stated McEntee has asked for the appointment of Robinson(both Dunboyne) it is imperative that the u20 and Senior managers have a strong working relationship as there is going to be crossover with the panels. also the u20 manager should be able to give strong feedback on the younger players that could be considered for the Senior Panel in the future."
The county board asked the clubs for nominations for the under 20 manager late last week
Far too late to be ratifying a manager never mind asking for nominations
Not as if there has been too much going on either!!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 30/11/2020 22:28:52    2317179

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "The county board asked the clubs for nominations for the under 20 manager late last week
Far too late to be ratifying a manager never mind asking for nominations
Not as if there has been too much going on either!!"
Thats a disgrace if true.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 02/12/2020 16:18:56    2317721

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Thats a disgrace if true."
It is true I'm afraid. So the same mistake made as last year. It will be mid December before a manager is in place giving him , his team and the players hardly anytime to prepare properly.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 03/12/2020 10:13:15    2317882

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We don#t actually know when the u20 competition is to start in 2021. And while it is a slow appointment, teams can't train officialy until the new year and would have been banned from training over the last 6 weeks due to Covid restrictions.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 03/12/2020 10:36:37    2317890

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Replying To jackhackett:  "We don#t actually know when the u20 competition is to start in 2021. And while it is a slow appointment, teams can't train officialy until the new year and would have been banned from training over the last 6 weeks due to Covid restrictions."
Several other countries including some in Leinster are up and running. Their squads have been training away on individual fitness programmes gym programmes and football programmes as well as having regular team training sessions over zoom and are ready to go to start playing challenge games etc. We are miles behind again this year.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 03/12/2020 10:51:02    2317893

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Replying To jackhackett:  "We don#t actually know when the u20 competition is to start in 2021. And while it is a slow appointment, teams can't train officialy until the new year and would have been banned from training over the last 6 weeks due to Covid restrictions."
this is just bulls** excuses JH. ….and typical of us accepting low standards…..we always rise to a level of minimum standrads....at what point do we decide that we are going to become innovative, show leadership be progressive?
we are always quoting either the bloody rule book, or central council or circumstance to explain away , why we are second rate....and then we wonder why Dublin are so far ahead of us, and our only response is to put the hand out for more money....

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 03/12/2020 11:12:17    2317901

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "this is just bulls** excuses JH. ….and typical of us accepting low standards…..we always rise to a level of minimum standrads....at what point do we decide that we are going to become innovative, show leadership be progressive?
we are always quoting either the bloody rule book, or central council or circumstance to explain away , why we are second rate....and then we wonder why Dublin are so far ahead of us, and our only response is to put the hand out for more money...."
Couldn't agree more. The people coming out saying ah sure they can't train until the new year and sure training has been banned during lockdown will be the same people in February giving out that the team looked unprepared and well behind Dublin or Kildare or whoever they play.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 03/12/2020 11:24:54    2317905

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "this is just bulls** excuses JH. ….and typical of us accepting low standards…..we always rise to a level of minimum standrads....at what point do we decide that we are going to become innovative, show leadership be progressive?
we are always quoting either the bloody rule book, or central council or circumstance to explain away , why we are second rate....and then we wonder why Dublin are so far ahead of us, and our only response is to put the hand out for more money...."
I agree. I heard Anthony Moyles speak about on a podcast I shared on the Meath Dublin thread. Its ridiculous amateur hour. Others counties are way ahead. Surely appointing a Manager should be done far in advance of December. Its nothing to do with Covid. And all to do with bad planing. They did the same was done last year.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1265 - 03/12/2020 13:58:23    2317943

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I'm glad this is being discussed. It's an embarressing situation. I know for a fact most other teams, in Leinster anyway, have their manager in place, have been training for 6 to 8 weeks and are now looking for challenge matches. This is probably the most potential we have had coming through over a 4 or 5 year period in a generation, and these young lads are being messed around by massive levels of incompetence and disorganisation..... and alot of these lads will throw their hat at it. You don't need to dig deep or ask too many questions to find examples of what I'm talking about.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 938 - 09/12/2020 06:50:15    2320534

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