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Junior Championship 2020

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Have to say that dunsany vincents game was poor stuff.
More like a well drilled outfits but with no real adventure to play.
Ballivor have footballers who try to do just that play football.
Its same old stuff run back defending slow over and back across the field shite on fridays game.exciting im not convinced.we have to look at the coaching goin on.
The approach the managers are taken.
Cautious rubbish no ambition to get forward take chances.
Hard running and big muscles seems to be the plan for these teams.
Vincents could play quality football but cant see them been let.
Think ballivor to prevail but not be shocked to see a 7pts to 6 final.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 22/09/2020 19:16:38    2293624

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Ballivor will beat vincents by 8 points, vincents wont live with theeir pace and skill

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 790 - 22/09/2020 22:40:38    2293656

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Replying To dickie10:  "Ballivor will beat vincents by 8 points, vincents wont live with theeir pace and skill"
The "experts" on here said that about Vincents 2 years ago when they played Dunboyne in the final and they took them all the way to extra time. The experts also said that about Dunboyne when they played Ballivor in the Semi final 2 years ago and Dunboyne beat them with a small bit to spare. I wouldn't be writing Vincents off yet.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 23/09/2020 09:21:27    2293687

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Replying To printerjet1996:  "Just to clarify it was not a dunboyne motion. Dunboyne had nothing to do with it whatsoever and in fact voted against the motion."
It might not have been a Dunboyne motion but it originated in Dunboyne. To be fair the Junior Clubs wanted and deserved a level playing field. Few second teams winning JFC but lots of second teams knocking Junior Clubs out in early rounds. The previous County Board went about it in the right way talking to clubs and for the 1st and only time asking players in to get there opinions. On the night most clubs went with it with a sprinkling of Intermediate Clubs speaking against some of the minor points of the plan

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 24/09/2020 08:40:16    2293862

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11.45am is a terrible time for a junior final on a Saturday, surely relegation game should be on first and have junior final at 1.30pm

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1073 - 24/09/2020 10:55:51    2293879

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Replying To Brownepat:  "It might not have been a Dunboyne motion but it originated in Dunboyne. To be fair the Junior Clubs wanted and deserved a level playing field. Few second teams winning JFC but lots of second teams knocking Junior Clubs out in early rounds. The previous County Board went about it in the right way talking to clubs and for the 1st and only time asking players in to get there opinions. On the night most clubs went with it with a sprinkling of Intermediate Clubs speaking against some of the minor points of the plan"
Second teams knocking Junior clubs out in the early rounds was not happening anymore as all second teams were together in one group until the 1/4 Finals which by then their first teams had used most of the players they were going to use so the issue of not a level playing field and second teams being stacked with first team senior players in round 1 or 2 was addressed and come the 1/4 final it was a level playing field. Its clear to me that the main priority was to get 4 groups of 4 in Senior and to get this over the line they offered the junior clubs the incentive of getting rid of the 2nd teams from the junior champonship therefore making it easier for them to win it. 4 groups of 4 in Senior if defintley the way to go but IMO the quality of the Junior Championship has been sacrificed in order to make it happen.

printerjet1996 (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 24/09/2020 11:41:42    2293891

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Replying To thelutch:  "11.45am is a terrible time for a junior final on a Saturday, surely relegation game should be on first and have junior final at 1.30pm"
Fully Agreed..

Jimmycricket (Meath) - Posts: 115 - 24/09/2020 12:00:48    2293897

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Replying To Brownepat:  "It might not have been a Dunboyne motion but it originated in Dunboyne. To be fair the Junior Clubs wanted and deserved a level playing field. Few second teams winning JFC but lots of second teams knocking Junior Clubs out in early rounds. The previous County Board went about it in the right way talking to clubs and for the 1st and only time asking players in to get there opinions. On the night most clubs went with it with a sprinkling of Intermediate Clubs speaking against some of the minor points of the plan"
The Junior Clubs got their level playing field when they lumped the 2nd teams into one JFC group by themselves. For the last few years it has been impossible for 2nd teams to knock out first teams any earlier than the QF.

Problem was some Junior clubs still couldn't compete on this level playing field so they lobbied to have the second teams removed instead.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1668 - 24/09/2020 12:38:49    2293904

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Replying To noelpconnon:  "To be honest I do believe that what you have outlined was the plan with JFC in 2020 with 3 groups of 5 with the 5 Junior B Clubs in one division but Covoid seemingly declared for some reason there wasnt time for that despite not one County player now playing Junior football since Adam Flanagan walked away.

There is no doubt that a big variation now exists in JFC with a number 6/8 very poor teams but at the end of the day these teams need a competition that they can compete in to ensure that those clubs also survive. Some of the beatings handed out will have the opposite effect.

Something needs to be done with I feel perhaps the Top 4 Junior sides moving to the IFC. The best junior sides could well compete at IFC level and therefore improve what has always been a good competition. No difference in having 24 in IFC compared to 20 at present.

Clann na Gael and Moylough have proved this fact and the likes of Ballivor. St Vincents, Dunsany and a few more could easily compete there.

That would leave 10/12 Clubs that would be on a fairly level standard (admittedly a poor one) to play in Junior with maybe St Pauls opting to move back up. A more even standard of competitors would improve the standard in these weaker clubs"
I am suggesting that the IFC be reduced to 16 teams, with 16 there are no awkward playoffs such as having a preliminary quarterfinal or anything like that.
From an administrative point of view multiples of four make the knockout stage of any competition easier and fairer, draws exempted.
Also four coming down from Intermediate, let's say over a two year period would make most games relevant and would result in a mean and keen 16 team championship while at the same time making the top end of the JFC much stronger. Of course the problems manifest in this year's JFC of one sided games would not go away, so I suggest an A and B section, similar to the SHC and IHC have been run over the past 2 or 3 years. This has meant less meaningful games, in fact this year with 3 team groups all games have been meaningful to either qualification or relegation.
And by the way I have no problem at all with second teams participating in mainstream championships once a transparent regrading system is in place. The previous regrading system was fine and served the County well.
Strengthening all championships is important as well from a provincial and national inter club point of view.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 25/09/2020 13:19:27    2294026

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Replying To Jimmycricket:  "Fully Agreed.."
Total disrespect for jnr final.same as last year putting 2 teams out the wednesday night in ashbourne.fixtures sat have a premier div 5 game on before inter final.surely jnr final could b on then.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 27/09/2020 12:13:10    2294272

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Total disrespect for jnr final.same as last year putting 2 teams out the wednesday night in ashbourne.fixtures sat have a premier div 5 game on before inter final.surely jnr final could b on then."
Ah come on the 1st match was a draw and Clann na Gael where involved in IHC Final the weekend after added to the fact that Leinster JFC was scheduled the week after again it had to be played mid week and while Ashbourne was a bit off the beaten track it was a better venue than Dunganny.
Anyway the fixtures I looked at has JFC on Sunday before SFC Final .... not a bad stage really !!!

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 01/10/2020 08:29:48    2294975

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Replying To Brownepat:  "Ah come on the 1st match was a draw and Clann na Gael where involved in IHC Final the weekend after added to the fact that Leinster JFC was scheduled the week after again it had to be played mid week and while Ashbourne was a bit off the beaten track it was a better venue than Dunganny.
Anyway the fixtures I looked at has JFC on Sunday before SFC Final .... not a bad stage really !!!"
A bit off the beaten track my god man moylagh is 70km from ashbourne.xtra time should have been played simple as, would have sorted it out there and then.i stand by my comments.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 01/10/2020 22:02:30    2295162

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "A bit off the beaten track my god man moylagh is 70km from ashbourne.xtra time should have been played simple as, would have sorted it out there and then.i stand by my comments."
Dunno how you can
JFC Final is on Sunday before SFC Final so you wrong there

Meath bye laws state no extra time in Finals so it couldnt be extra time ... anyway I doubt the Moylough faithful came on Shanks Mare or by Donkey n Cart... they got there in numbers anyway

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 02/10/2020 08:07:03    2295194

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Replying To Brownepat:  "Dunno how you can
JFC Final is on Sunday before SFC Final so you wrong there

Meath bye laws state no extra time in Finals so it couldnt be extra time ... anyway I doubt the Moylough faithful came on Shanks Mare or by Donkey n Cart... they got there in numbers anyway"
The 2018 Final between Dunboyne and St Vincents went to Extra Time.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 02/10/2020 10:03:35    2295207

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Replying To thelutch:  "11.45am is a terrible time for a junior final on a Saturday, surely relegation game should be on first and have junior final at 1.30pm"
Sure thats a perfect time , if you win you get a good run at the day and the players dont have to hang about all day getting nervous and burning energy waiting to go to the match

summerhillof69 (Meath) - Posts: 228 - 02/10/2020 10:13:01    2295215

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I thought Ballivor put in a serious shift in that second half. Paddy Connelly outstanding, great reader of the game. St Vincent's did very well against the wind in first half and seemed to well placed at half time with the wind to assist in the second half but the wind won't win a game it can only help, it's the team on the field that gets the scores.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 04/10/2020 16:54:15    2295607

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "The 2018 Final between Dunboyne and St Vincents went to Extra Time."
Yes the regulation was changed for one year and reversed for 2019

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 05/10/2020 10:39:48    2295739

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