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Replying To Richieq:  "We have an extensive injury list and are hampered, as are other counties, in that certain U20 players who could prove valuable to the senior squad are not able to play in the league for fear of being excluded from the U20 championship as per a national ruling, outside of the players named above I don't see who else can come in, we have limitations and a fair dollop of inexperience but these guys are working hard and trying hard, they aren't going out to loose or perform the way they have in the past two games, I still think we could beat Mayo who I don't think are in tip top shape themselves and are lucky to have the one point they have (Donegal should have been out the gate at half time in that first game), as always glass half full lads, glass half full"
U20 players can play in the league and can go on and play senior championship this summer. You cannot play u20 championship if you already played senior championship that year. League was never included and u20 championship will have concluded before senior commences.

Mfs (Mayo) - Posts: 257 - 05/02/2020 21:43:09    2265528

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Replying To Richieq:  "We have an extensive injury list and are hampered, as are other counties, in that certain U20 players who could prove valuable to the senior squad are not able to play in the league for fear of being excluded from the U20 championship as per a national ruling, outside of the players named above I don't see who else can come in, we have limitations and a fair dollop of inexperience but these guys are working hard and trying hard, they aren't going out to loose or perform the way they have in the past two games, I still think we could beat Mayo who I don't think are in tip top shape themselves and are lucky to have the one point they have (Donegal should have been out the gate at half time in that first game), as always glass half full lads, glass half full"
Would be some win if they managed it but there's only so much Menton, Keoghan and McGill can do. O'SULLIVAN and McEntee really need to step up along with the Wallaces for us to get anything out of it.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 05/02/2020 22:04:06    2265532

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Would be some win if they managed it but there's only so much Menton, Keoghan and McGill can do. O'SULLIVAN and McEntee really need to step up along with the Wallaces for us to get anything out of it."
Don't rate the Wallace's in my opinion good club footballers but not up to standard this is where I think kells players could have say but it's a game of opinions

Northmeath2345 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 05/02/2020 22:10:36    2265538

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My team for Sunday.

If Jones is available.

Brennan
Ryan
McGill
Toner
Keogan
Conlon
McCoy
Jones
Menton
Devine
McMahon
McEntee
O'Sullivan
O'Reilly
Walsh

If Jones isn't available.

Brennan
Clarke
McGill
Toner
Keogan
Ryan
McCoy
Menton
Conlon
Devine
McMahon
McEntee
O'Sullivan
O'Reilly
Walsh

I think Walsh will be back at the weekend, if he isn't then I'd start O'Connor as he was excellent off frees in the club champ last year and we're not converting enough of our frees. A good free taker should be racking up 4/5 points a game.

I'd push James McEntee up to the half forward line and start Ethan Devine. Devine is another option for kickouts at wing forward and McEntee will get through a mountain of work while McCoy is a solid half back.

It would be hard on Clarke to leave him out but Ryan is the better corner back.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 05/02/2020 22:29:36    2265541

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Replying To head4dblackspot:  "Ben Brennan has proved time and time again he is not up to the standards needed for a starting spot lucky to be on bench never mind center forward"
I think sometimes a match can dictate who should start or not, not saying he is a definite starter. But he was the only player to put it up to donegal (Murphy tactics, What you think about e wallace ? Of cos? Again not having a go, just wondering why we keep persisting with some and not others.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/02/2020 22:31:49    2265544

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "Sure the team you were commenting on said Brian conlon, and u said the only change would be brennan in for Conlon..... james was never mentioned. And anyway even if you did mean James conlon, he is miles off div 1 standard."
I actually totally forgot that it was Brian Conlon. Not having a go at the lad but he hasn't really caught my imagination. As for miles off division one standard , well come on what time has he got to show that or not. And let's be honest how many that have played so far have actually shown div 1 standard??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/02/2020 22:35:46    2265547

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "100% Correct ! Royaldunne contradicting himself again !"
Ahh my personal shadow. How you keeping ?? :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/02/2020 22:36:26    2265548

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Replying To Northmeath2345:  "Don't rate the Wallace's in my opinion good club footballers but not up to standard this is where I think kells players could have say but it's a game of opinions"
I'm only dealing with players on the team he selected. Generally Joey is worth a shot with the county but he has to take it, can't live off potential forever.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 06/02/2020 07:04:12    2265576

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Replying To Northmeath2345:  "Don't rate the Wallace's in my opinion good club footballers but not up to standard this is where I think kells players could have say but it's a game of opinions"
The Wallaces (and McMahon) destroyed the Kells backline in the Keegan Cup last year - especially in the second half of that game ! I was at that game and neither Hanlon nor Mattimoe made any impression and were well marshalled by the 2 young Ratoath backs!

Let's be realistic here - Joe Wallace in particular stood out as the best forward in the County in the later stages of the Keegan Cup - he was MOM for the 1/4, 1/2 and final games - but at county it is another step up and some of the lads standing out at club are finding it harder with the county - naturally so ! (I also think the fact that the Wallaces missed the entire division 2 campaign last year has left them a little behind!)

I think we are still a few levels off the top teams at this stage and our players are still only catching up on Counties like Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal and Tyrone where the S&C programs have been in place a lot longer and development squad systems have been operating at highers levels than ours for longer. The development of Dunganny is allowing us catch up but I'd like to see us win more at Minor and Under 20 so that our young lads develop that winning mentality and carry that through to the Senior teams when they make the transition!

So where are we at! Apologies for being negative - but I don't think we are as good as the 5 teams I mentioned above and Galway seemed to have stepped up another level but I think we can compete with them and with Monaghan. I think we rank 7/8 overall so will struggle to stay up. But if we do go down, I would be confident that we would come back up. I still think we are going in the right direction and I think with a little time we can compete at division 1!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 06/02/2020 09:33:35    2265590

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Replying To Northmeath2345:  "Don't rate the Wallace's in my opinion good club footballers but not up to standard this is where I think kells players could have say but it's a game of opinions"
The Wallace's are excellent footballers if the team is set up for attacking football. Ratoath last year were all out attack particularly in the latter stages of the championship. The previous year where the Wallace's did not stand out Ratoath played a defensive brand of football. If Andy and Meath persists with this current defensive team set up the Wallace's should probably not be on the team but if he lets go of the reins and has a go like he did against Tyrone last year they certainly would be on my team sheet.

Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 06/02/2020 10:13:26    2265606

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Replying To Mfs:  "U20 players can play in the league and can go on and play senior championship this summer. You cannot play u20 championship if you already played senior championship that year. League was never included and u20 championship will have concluded before senior commences."
Yes actually I was mistaken here, it is intended to recommenced a rule where an eligible player who plays National League can't play in the U20 Championship but this is not in place yet, still there are 3-4 players that I have no doubt could be utilised for the league only for the U20 championship is literally around the corner

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3744 - 06/02/2020 10:19:11    2265610

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Replying To Northmeath2345:  "Don't rate the Wallace's in my opinion good club footballers but not up to standard this is where I think kells players could have say but it's a game of opinions"
Did you rate the two Wallace's after the Senior semi final last year when Ratoath beat Gael Colmcille in a match that actually counted for something, and the two lads being the two standout players on the field between both sides? I recall from the game kells not having two players who could handle either of them and no forward on their team capable of doing the same at their end of the pitch. Both Wallace's were again the two standout players in the county final which Ratoath won. They are both only back two months from a year out of county football and have been thrown in right at the deep end of division one football mainly due to the squad being ravaged with injuries to a lot of last years squad being injured and have had to step up in their appsense. Division one football is unforgiving and any mistake will be punished, so I would suggest for people to take a step back and think a little bit before throwing players under the bus for not performing.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 06/02/2020 10:56:19    2265625

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I am not optimistic in getting any sort of a result. I taught we would bring more intensity to our play than we did last Sunday. We did well in defense for long periods in the first half last week. But we never got any momentum due to very slow build up and lack of accuracy's from our forwards.
Also teams know what to do to beat us, any time we got a clean break Donegal just pulled our jersey and gave away a free in our half back line time and time again. Refs are soft on it. Its good tactic the most your going to get is a tick or yellow. we need to do the same it was feature in the super 8s a-well. It totally kills the counter attack and momentum.
We have been very poor in the midfield so far if your not going to get at least 50% in midfield your just not going to win these big games. I would say we well below 50% in midfield
Its been mentioned before but players seem afraid to shoot or just not the confidence to either way we are not scoring half enough its been poor. Also we are struggling badly against well organized defenses, and find it very hard to break them down.
So think its a uphill struggle on Sunday. Could be long day in the office aagain

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1265 - 06/02/2020 11:30:57    2265635

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Did you rate the two Wallace's after the Senior semi final last year when Ratoath beat Gael Colmcille in a match that actually counted for something, and the two lads being the two standout players on the field between both sides? I recall from the game kells not having two players who could handle either of them and no forward on their team capable of doing the same at their end of the pitch. Both Wallace's were again the two standout players in the county final which Ratoath won. They are both only back two months from a year out of county football and have been thrown in right at the deep end of division one football mainly due to the squad being ravaged with injuries to a lot of last years squad being injured and have had to step up in their appsense. Division one football is unforgiving and any mistake will be punished, so I would suggest for people to take a step back and think a little bit before throwing players under the bus for not performing."
Bit of a contradiction there. Considering your comments after the tyrone game about the young goalkeeper Yorke who was making his meath debut. Now that was thrown in at the deep end after an injury in the warm up. These lads have experienced championship county football before. So is div 1 really the deep end for them? Double standards.

glover (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 06/02/2020 11:38:07    2265638

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh my personal shadow. How you keeping ?? :)"
Back to disagree with your every opinion :)

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1176 - 06/02/2020 12:09:48    2265647

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Replying To head4dblackspot:  "Are you really suggesting an 18 year old unproven player is going to start at center forward against one of the best teams in the country
You are definitely from Dunshaughlin"
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but i cant understand when lads come on here and find fault with someones selections but fail to provide their own alternative.

Firstly Yes costello is young and inexperienced but has show well so far this year. No harm having a bit of youthfull exuberance when morale is low. He played with his head up on Sunday and tried to make things happen.

Secondly if you read my post i said to try and keep 4 lads up as much as possible as forwards. Defending when we dont have it but getting into the forward zone and keeping defenders honest when we have the ball.
You have to name a team with numbers on their backs but in todays game numbers dont really count for much, McHugh played 11 for Donegal on Sunday but was all over the pairc. So just because im naming someone at 11 doesnt mean i expect them to be a Trevor Giles sort of constant on the 40, i'd expect the 4 lads to rotate all game.

Thirdly i do understand Costello is young and inexperienced but we're in desperate enough times.
E.Wallace was poor on Sunday and i think in todays game and especially against top teams you need to have an impact from the bench, so all going well on Sunday we are in the game with 15 to go and have pace from E.Wallace, B.McMahon(who i rate very highly) and J.Conlon to come in and make a positive change when the game is stretched.

Meathmaverick (Meath) - Posts: 106 - 06/02/2020 13:02:04    2265660

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "The Wallaces (and McMahon) destroyed the Kells backline in the Keegan Cup last year - especially in the second half of that game ! I was at that game and neither Hanlon nor Mattimoe made any impression and were well marshalled by the 2 young Ratoath backs!

Let's be realistic here - Joe Wallace in particular stood out as the best forward in the County in the later stages of the Keegan Cup - he was MOM for the 1/4, 1/2 and final games - but at county it is another step up and some of the lads standing out at club are finding it harder with the county - naturally so ! (I also think the fact that the Wallaces missed the entire division 2 campaign last year has left them a little behind!)

I think we are still a few levels off the top teams at this stage and our players are still only catching up on Counties like Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal and Tyrone where the S&C programs have been in place a lot longer and development squad systems have been operating at highers levels than ours for longer. The development of Dunganny is allowing us catch up but I'd like to see us win more at Minor and Under 20 so that our young lads develop that winning mentality and carry that through to the Senior teams when they make the transition!

So where are we at! Apologies for being negative - but I don't think we are as good as the 5 teams I mentioned above and Galway seemed to have stepped up another level but I think we can compete with them and with Monaghan. I think we rank 7/8 overall so will struggle to stay up. But if we do go down, I would be confident that we would come back up. I still think we are going in the right direction and I think with a little time we can compete at division 1!"
As I said good club footballers can't make the step as all they have in there speed not to be negative but I also agree we are miles off it

Northmeath2345 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 06/02/2020 14:20:47    2265679

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Replying To Poormouth:  "The Wallace's are excellent footballers if the team is set up for attacking football. Ratoath last year were all out attack particularly in the latter stages of the championship. The previous year where the Wallace's did not stand out Ratoath played a defensive brand of football. If Andy and Meath persists with this current defensive team set up the Wallace's should probably not be on the team but if he lets go of the reins and has a go like he did against Tyrone last year they certainly would be on my team sheet."
They are average footballers who are very fast

Northmeath2345 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 06/02/2020 14:21:24    2265680

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Did you rate the two Wallace's after the Senior semi final last year when Ratoath beat Gael Colmcille in a match that actually counted for something, and the two lads being the two standout players on the field between both sides? I recall from the game kells not having two players who could handle either of them and no forward on their team capable of doing the same at their end of the pitch. Both Wallace's were again the two standout players in the county final which Ratoath won. They are both only back two months from a year out of county football and have been thrown in right at the deep end of division one football mainly due to the squad being ravaged with injuries to a lot of last years squad being injured and have had to step up in their appsense. Division one football is unforgiving and any mistake will be punished, so I would suggest for people to take a step back and think a little bit before throwing players under the bus for not performing."
There nothing without speed and yes they were impressive but there not up to inter county level never have been never will be simple as better footballers out there

Northmeath2345 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 06/02/2020 14:23:52    2265681

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Replying To glover:  "Bit of a contradiction there. Considering your comments after the tyrone game about the young goalkeeper Yorke who was making his meath debut. Now that was thrown in at the deep end after an injury in the warm up. These lads have experienced championship county football before. So is div 1 really the deep end for them? Double standards."
Exactly that fella just Spreads Nonsense!

Northmeath2345 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 06/02/2020 14:25:08    2265682

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