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Replying To Blackspot09: "Shock. RD championing a Colmcilles player to be a starter for meath. Not like ye." Yes - but in this case he has a point. Andrew Beakey is a young lad who is developing into a good keeper. Likewise McDermott from Dunshaughlin - they are certainly both worth a look.
What other keepers do you think we could look at? I have seen the Curraha keeper a couple of times this year and he looks decent!
Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 515 - 03/09/2019 12:44:46
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Is nally and selectors goin again??
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Replying To Royalblufill: "Yes - but in this case he has a point. Andrew Beakey is a young lad who is developing into a good keeper. Likewise McDermott from Dunshaughlin - they are certainly both worth a look.
What other keepers do you think we could look at? I have seen the Curraha keeper a couple of times this year and he looks decent!" He is right I was only joking. Seen him last week v Dunboyne and he was very good
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 03/09/2019 13:12:34
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Replying To Blackspot09: "He is right I was only joking. Seen him last week v Dunboyne and he was very good" I don't know enough about Beakley to be honest as I haven't seen Colmcilles this year but Flynn in goals for Dunboyne is very impressive whenever I've seen him.
Don't mean to be harsh but I wasn't terribly impressed with McDermott's kickouts for Meath juniors against Galway or against Kildare when the pressure was on.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 03/09/2019 15:35:57
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Beakley has to be given his chance, his one drawback is he is still very young, especially for a keeper, but he can kick inch perfect kick outs 9/10.
Have no problem with the Dunboyne keeper getting a look at too. As I always say, good club performance doesn't always transpire to county. Andrew might not make it at county, but he has earned his right to be looked at for obc. Same as others
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/09/2019 15:44:58
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Replying To Borderroyal: "Is nally and selectors goin again??" Would hope to keep nally, and maybe shake of the selectors a bit.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/09/2019 15:46:11
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Replying To royaldunne: "Would hope to keep nally, and maybe shake of the selectors a bit." Was t there a bit of a shake last year with Gerry Mac stepping aside
Nally and Gary Rogers came in to help out for the 2019 season.
Wasn't there also a change in the S&C coach, maybe wrong there.
I'd like a forwards coach to work with the unit as a whole. The forwards as a unit can be too rushed in what they do. They collectively need to work harder up and down the pitch like Howard and sculls do for the dubs but also make better shooting decisions and off load to players in the better position rather than running down blind alleys and getting bottled up. If you look at the better teams that's what separates them from us, they make better decisions and that's where we need to go to advance as a team.
The next step is very obviously our kick out strategy.for that we need an accurate keeper who can kick short and long. From what I've seen Colgan and Brennan are not able to do this and should be replaced. If that means brining in beakey, Flynn and McDermott and letting them all have a game in the obc and see how they do. I'm sure they'll have some friendlies over the next couple of months. I'd be working with the keepers already and developing that strategy. Ever team in division one will now it's how to attack us so let's get it corrected
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Replying To brian: "Was t there a bit of a shake last year with Gerry Mac stepping aside
Nally and Gary Rogers came in to help out for the 2019 season.
Wasn't there also a change in the S&C coach, maybe wrong there.
I'd like a forwards coach to work with the unit as a whole. The forwards as a unit can be too rushed in what they do. They collectively need to work harder up and down the pitch like Howard and sculls do for the dubs but also make better shooting decisions and off load to players in the better position rather than running down blind alleys and getting bottled up. If you look at the better teams that's what separates them from us, they make better decisions and that's where we need to go to advance as a team.
The next step is very obviously our kick out strategy.for that we need an accurate keeper who can kick short and long. From what I've seen Colgan and Brennan are not able to do this and should be replaced. If that means brining in beakey, Flynn and McDermott and letting them all have a game in the obc and see how they do. I'm sure they'll have some friendlies over the next couple of months. I'd be working with the keepers already and developing that strategy. Ever team in division one will now it's how to attack us so let's get it corrected" There was , you are right. On the forwards coach , like to see graham geraghty or someone like him brought in.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/09/2019 21:07:12
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Replying To royaldunne: "There was , you are right. On the forwards coach , like to see graham geraghty or someone like him brought in." Just because a lad knew how to kick a ball over the bar and was a superb athlete doesn't mean he knows how to build an attacking strategy in a team of players not as talented as he was. Geraghty has had a very mixed bag of a coaching career and his teams tend to play quite defensively.
We need to think outside the box like Dublin did and get coaches in from other sports. I'd like to see a basketball or olympic handball coach involved and we need someone to work on the mental side of the game. The Dubs have the edge on the mental side as well it seems...in their huddle on Sunday just before throw in, there was no shouting or roaring...they were actually all meditating with their eyes closed and getting their breathing right.
From here on in our development its the small marginal gains that count....we are not so far away as we've seen that we can put it up to teams. But small margins like making more of our scorable frees count, not having our kickouts strategy melt under first sign of pressure and getting a bit more skilled in the dark arts like Dublin and Kerry are will bring us further up the food chain.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 04/09/2019 09:38:28
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Now that Andy is in place for the next few years he should try and see if he can get Brin Conlon and Padraig McKeever back into the panel. We need the best players in there - if they are not interested then fair enough but some attempt should be made. If it doesn't work out then move on.
oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 04/09/2019 09:57:01
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Replying To royaldunne: "There was , you are right. On the forwards coach , like to see graham geraghty or someone like him brought in." If I could appoint anyone it would be Kieran Donaghy for forwards coach. Not only would he have the mentality he would be great for some of our younger forwards
Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 04/09/2019 10:15:39
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Replying To royaldunne: "There was , you are right. On the forwards coach , like to see graham geraghty or someone like him brought in." What about Colm O'Rourke?
We always thought he would be a future Meath manager but it is looking more unlikely now. I think he would be a huge asset to Andy and he knows a lot of the players and the general club scene in Meath.
oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 04/09/2019 11:24:58
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Fir a traditionally good county coaches are few and far between with us.or is there young coaches out there that we dont know about.
Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 04/09/2019 13:17:48
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "Now that Andy is in place for the next few years he should try and see if he can get Brin Conlon and Padraig McKeever back into the panel. We need the best players in there - if they are not interested then fair enough but some attempt should be made. If it doesn't work out then move on." Jesus.... Padraig McKeever has been on and left the panel 3 times at this stage... There are plenty of others who deserve a try before he is brought back again, Brian Conlan had a super 2017 for both Club and the couple of games he played with Meath, He had an illness then that he really struggled to get over and was poor in 2018. After spending the last couple of summers in the States he might have that out of his system, he could well add something to the mix. Certainly worth a look.
Think there will be 5 or 6 from this years panel that we wont see again. Flanagan, Tobin, Burke, Biggie, Colgan, to name a few. The keeper position is one that has to be addressed. The Dominic Yorke chap from Meathhill has been in for a few months as the 3rd keeper. Bit surprising that he wasn't considered for the Junior team. From what I've seen this year, Dunboyne Keeper alone with Beakley from Cilles and Hogan from the Ha should be looked at. The restart his so crucial and something that we need the most work on. Defender wise, our first 7 or 8 are quite strong, could do with adding a specialist full back, think we are very light after McGuill,
Badly stuck in the middle of the field, need 2 options here, Maybe Conlan could be one
Hopefully Lenihan will return to the forwards and a couple mor
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Replying To longroadback: "Jesus.... Padraig McKeever has been on and left the panel 3 times at this stage... There are plenty of others who deserve a try before he is brought back again, Brian Conlan had a super 2017 for both Club and the couple of games he played with Meath, He had an illness then that he really struggled to get over and was poor in 2018. After spending the last couple of summers in the States he might have that out of his system, he could well add something to the mix. Certainly worth a look.
Think there will be 5 or 6 from this years panel that we wont see again. Flanagan, Tobin, Burke, Biggie, Colgan, to name a few. The keeper position is one that has to be addressed. The Dominic Yorke chap from Meathhill has been in for a few months as the 3rd keeper. Bit surprising that he wasn't considered for the Junior team. From what I've seen this year, Dunboyne Keeper alone with Beakley from Cilles and Hogan from the Ha should be looked at. The restart his so crucial and something that we need the most work on. Defender wise, our first 7 or 8 are quite strong, could do with adding a specialist full back, think we are very light after McGuill,
Badly stuck in the middle of the field, need 2 options here, Maybe Conlan could be one
Hopefully Lenihan will return to the forwards and a couple mor" McKeever really only got one proper run as far as I recall. Based on his club performances he is worth a try - if interested of course.
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "McKeever really only got one proper run as far as I recall. Based on his club performances he is worth a try - if interested of course." Theres no doubt that McKeever is in the top 5 forwards in Meath and is intercounty class. Does anyone know of the circumstances surrounding his departure last year at the end of the league?
It appeared acrimonious but then Tobin (who left at same time) was invited back into the fold this year without much rancor and played his part for a full campaign.
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Replying To Crinigan: "Theres no doubt that McKeever is in the top 5 forwards in Meath and is intercounty class. Does anyone know of the circumstances surrounding his departure last year at the end of the league?
It appeared acrimonious but then Tobin (who left at same time) was invited back into the fold this year without much rancor and played his part for a full campaign." I'm pretty sure there were differ circumstances involved.
McKeever wasn't getting any game time and was t allowed play with Simonstown to get any either. From what I believe They then had a fitness test pre championship and McKeever wasn't where he was supposed to be and it all kicked off from there with he and a Conlon departing.
My understanding is that Tobin was always going to America last summer and Andy knew this well in advance but still gave him time during the league and kept the door open when he got back from US.
I'm open to be corrected by anyone who knows better but that's what I picked up.
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Replying To brian: "I'm pretty sure there were differ circumstances involved.
McKeever wasn't getting any game time and was t allowed play with Simonstown to get any either. From what I believe They then had a fitness test pre championship and McKeever wasn't where he was supposed to be and it all kicked off from there with he and a Conlon departing.
My understanding is that Tobin was always going to America last summer and Andy knew this well in advance but still gave him time during the league and kept the door open when he got back from US.
I'm open to be corrected by anyone who knows better but that's what I picked up." I think if you look back at that league, McKeever got plenty of minutes. Maybe not as many as he would have liked, but he was heavily involved.
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Some of these guys have been mentioned before - some have been looked at already - Big scorers are something that we were missing this year. I know these can be misleading as free takers will always figure well up there
Leading scorers in Senior Championship
Jack O'Connor 3-28
Robbie McCarthy 2-28
Paddy O'Rourke 3-21
Shane Walsh 1-24 Cathal Finnegan 5-12
Connell Ahearne 4-14
Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 515 - 06/09/2019 14:18:03
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I put this on the main forum so its Meath related so I will put it here also. Its about the future of Meath football , next year and beyond.
In the long term there are some good signs for Meath . It simple as this if Meath can tap into population growth in the county , it could be a positive gamechanger. But there is no gurantee as examples above like Wicklow, Antrim , Limerick , Dublin 1930 to 2010 have shown.
1 Meath and kildare have now this year recieved increased funding and coachs and so have louth and Wicklow. Meath had 3 full time coachs , kildare had 4. Dublin had 70 plus since mid 00s. Meath ans kildare both have 15 full.time coachs and 22 coachs in total each from this year. Yes it still behind Dublin. But it still 5 times more then before. And they were only introduced this year after both counties have had sucess. Also 4 counties have recieved increased finding circa 300000 annually. Again this can only be a positive. The people in charge of these programmes believe it will take 5 or 6 years before it impacts senior team.
2 The second reasons is population explosion in both counties. It doesnt guratees nothing.
For example look at Wicklow , big population yet no provicial title , look at Antrim big population yet no sucess since 1940s. look at limerick big population no Munster title since 1890s in football and 2 hurling All-Irelands in 80 years , look at kildare big population and no sucess from 1930s to 1990 and finally look at Dublin from 1940s to 2010 Dublin underachieved with huge population. Population gurantees nothing.
Also growth in both counties is Dubs who support and want kids to play for Dublin or have no interest in gaa. 70% of people who live in Meath are not from Meath , 20% of people in live in Cork or Donegal are not from Donegal.
However if Meath and kildare can tap into population growth this could be massive. Dublin tapping into a new denographic has being one of keys to Dublins current sucess. St Vincents and other clubs traditional Dublin clubs r still strong but the Kilmacud Crokes ballyboden and Cualas have brought Dublin to a new level. 25 years ago there was little gaa in south side Dublin suburbia. There has been a massive growth of gaa in middle class gaelgoir Dublins south side suburbs recently. This has brought a whole new demographic to Dublin gaa. Basically the parents of so many of these footballers are from the country. So many from kerry or Donegal. They came up to Dublin became civil servants etc and brought a love of gaa and passed it to their kids. Their kids grew up and many of them became Dublins current great generation. The darling of the hill was Jimmy Keaveny from Marino in 70s Charlie Redmond from Finglas in 90s and now its Con Callaghan from Dalkey, Bonos parish who is currently hero of the hill. This has been one of the reasons for Dublins sucess , the explosion of popularity of gaa in Dublins southside suburbs.
This is where Meath and kildare need to tap into. Both need to keep football alive in the heartlands of the county eg kildare mid part and south. Meath in Northern villages and traditional clubs like Skyrne. But both need to tap into new suburbs in both counties eg Meath south east Rataoth Ashbourne Dunshaughlin and kildare eg Maynooth leixlip. Families who move to the area who support Dublin will have no interest in Meath or kildare. But familes who move to the area who have no interest in gaa or little , their children who get involved in gaa they could be next future stars for Meath and kildare. Or families who have country parents who have moved to Meath recently , there children could be source of new players for Meath. Conor McGill family come from Sligo and Byran McMahons family come from Clare. Both are from Rataoth, where there has been a massive population explosion in this area.
The population growth in both counties is so large that the numbers could be there to lead to sucess. Kildare and Meath are following the Dublin blueprint on the ground and coachs are going into populated areas to promote gaa. It worked in Dublin and Dublin had unprecedented sucess.
If Meath and kildare tap into this new demographic eg suburbs in north kildare or south east Meath sucessfully this potentially could lead to huge positives and benefits and yes sucess for both counties. Maybe even unprecedented sucess for both counties. If eitheir county doesn't tap into or is unable it will probaly mean that those counties will not be sucessful.
Meath had a run of 80 years of sucess. We look like we could be the new Cavan. Something extraordinary wud need to happen to stop this. Meaths population doubling in 10 years going from 100000 to 200000 in 15 years going from smaller population then Mayo, going from rural county to county with has in parts become suburbia , that is an extraordinary demographic change and could be the factor that cud kickstart Meath.
When a county has decades sucess when stops it seem to stop for decades eg Wexford after 1918 , kildare after1930s , Cavan and Mayo after 1950s. Cavan had no underage sucess for decades until recently. And Cavans population declined after 1950s. Meaths has exploded in last 15 years. It has had no benefit whatsoever to football in the county in last 15 years . However if it is tapped into it could be pivotal.
Meaths football can be divided into two eras demographically
1 1930s 1940s 1950s 1960s. It was thought that west of Ireland families brought love of gaa to Meath. This is wrong. Movement to Meath was in 30s 40s and 50s when Meath had sucess. So many of Meaths players in first successful Meath teams came from old Meaths families in the area for generations. It was the next generation that was west of Ireland parents.
2 Meath teams of 1970s 1980s and 1990s these are players many of the players had parents from the west eg O Rourke born in leitrim , Coyle family ftom Donegal, O Malley family from Mayo , Mark Reilly family like kerry. And many more. The current Dublin team and Meath of 80s and 90s many of their parents came from.the west and brought a love of gaa from the west. The Meath team of 80s and 90s and current Dublin team are examples of how migration from western seaboard, massively helped benefit a counties fortunes.
3 The next phase of Meath football could it be like Dublin current sucess which has been built in new area, Dublins south suburbs . Could suburbs in Meath south east kickstart and be a strong foundation for future Meath sucess. That could be the extraordinary factor that stops Meath becoming the new Cavan after 1950s..Time will tell. I could be wrong I could be right who knows. But I believe fhere is a massive new population in Meath and in kildare and if it is tapped into it can only be a positive in the future. Time will tell.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 16/09/2019 21:44:13
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