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Mattie Must Go!

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Ah no, obviously not, that's a sarcastic headline. Obviously a bad result last night but clearly enough in the wins over Donegal and Tyrone to suggest Cavan might have a better than expected spring. Nice to see a genuinely freshened up team this year as well. I think Division 1 will be a struggle obviously but regardless of what happens there, I think it's the championship that Cavan should really be targetting this year. An Ulster final place is definitely within reach and that should be the target. Best of luck Cavan for the year, the real stuff starts now.

declando (Cavan) - Posts: 38 - 19/01/2017 08:21:08    1946854

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Replying To declando:  "Ah no, obviously not, that's a sarcastic headline. Obviously a bad result last night but clearly enough in the wins over Donegal and Tyrone to suggest Cavan might have a better than expected spring. Nice to see a genuinely freshened up team this year as well. I think Division 1 will be a struggle obviously but regardless of what happens there, I think it's the championship that Cavan should really be targetting this year. An Ulster final place is definitely within reach and that should be the target. Best of luck Cavan for the year, the real stuff starts now."
Ah no, obviously not, that's a sarcastic headline. Obviously a bad result last night but clearly enough in the wins over Donegal and Tyrone to suggest Cavan might have a better than expected spring. Nice to see a genuinely freshened up team this year as well. I think Division 1 will be a struggle obviously but regardless of what happens there, I think it's the championship that Cavan should really be targetting this year. An Ulster final place is definitely within reach and that should be the target. Best of luck Cavan for the year, the real stuff starts now.
declando (Cavan) - Posts:21 - 19/01/2017 08:21:08 1946854


With respect to your sarcastic post the next priority has to be the League forget everything else otherwise we will get scrambled egg in our face.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 19/01/2017 13:19:00    1946966

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Sean

No bad thing that the county exited the competition last night. Mattie has had 3 outings to get a bit more knowledge of the players at his disposal and hopefully he will have the team ready for their first round of the league against Dublin.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 19/01/2017 14:07:03    1946985

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I don't know now. Roscommon had a great league last year and in 2015 - they were the talk of the country in April and May, John Evans was talking about All-Irelands in Croke Park - and by July both years they were a bit of a laughing stock. Exact same thing happened with Down in 2015 and I can think of several examples. The league isn't worth a damn without good displays in championship. That said, Cavan being in Division 1 is a great sign of progress. I'd be happy if they picked up four points and weren't hammered in any games.

declando (Cavan) - Posts: 38 - 19/01/2017 14:08:39    1946987

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Be no point targeting the Championship even if they are relegated. That wouldn't give any confidence going into the summer. It took Cavan long enough to get up to Division 1, staying up has to be the priority first.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 19/01/2017 14:54:33    1947000

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Be no point targeting the Championship even if they are relegated. That wouldn't give any confidence going into the summer. It took Cavan long enough to get up to Division 1, staying up has to be the priority first."
declando (Cavan) - Posts:22 - 19/01/2017 14:08:39 1946987
I don't give a toss about what Roscommon have done to be honest they will have learnt by competing against the top flight players and it's imperative we stay in Division to gain this experience. We don't want to be in Division two so forget everything else and concentrate on getting 6 points at least in the hope it keeps us there. After that we can think about the next competition which is Ulster Anglo Celt cup. Everyone knows what I think of the MCKenna Cup it is what it is a chance to have a few meaningful challenge matches.

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Be no point targeting the Championship even if they are relegated. That wouldn't give any confidence going into the summer. It took Cavan long enough to get up to Division 1, staying up has to be the priority first.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts:1464 - 19/01/2017 14:54:33 1947000

I agree with you 100% it's a must to stay there and anyone that thinks otherwise are dreaming.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 19/01/2017 15:41:08    1947023

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If we stay up we will have the confidence to have a good Championship.
If we go down we will need a good Championship to restore faith.
So either way the championship is important .
We are in the so called easy half so an Ulster final appearance is not out of the question.
The last 4 years there wasn't much emphasis put on the Ulster Championship.
That should change not that we have a proper senior manager.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 19/01/2017 16:29:27    1947049

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How are we gonna stay there when we haven't one forward? N McKiernan has talent but decision making is that of a junior footballer Conor Madden the same. I fear the worst for what will happen.
McKiernan, Mackey, Givney, Keating etc are gonna be sorely missed unfortunately.
I suggest Mattie is a great man but he hasnt got the talent to play with this year :(

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 19/01/2017 16:33:20    1947053

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I definitely don't think anyone got to do with the setup is too worried about last night, Mattie and co got exactly what they wanted which is three games to see what fringe players can make the leap. another game or two would eat into the league preparations. Now all the lads are back together in the one squad, there's no lads sitting out games etc. they're all there getting ready for the big tilt at Dublin.
The only negative i'd take from last night is that i heard cavan found Ryan Mc Hugh and Mc Brearty were hard tot handle. These are two class players and cavan are going to be up against many more of their likes in the coming months. However on the flip side of that maybe coming up against them type of players will switch lads on to what to expect!!

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 19/01/2017 16:47:56    1947060

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It's easy to say that the McKenna cup doesn't matter but Mattie is from a County that takes it seriously and I'd say he is disappointed to not be in the last 4... Tyrone seem to win it every year and it doesn't do them any harm for the rest of the season...

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 19/01/2017 17:04:00    1947066

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When Terry Hylands Cavan famously failed to score in the 2nd half against Tyrone in the McKenna cup final his head was rightly called for by the legends of this forum.

Now Terry never stopped as low as to lose to a college team so surely it's time for Mattie to walk.

The McKenna cup is one of the most important tournaments in the gaa.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1484 - 19/01/2017 17:38:34    1947083

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "How are we gonna stay there when we haven't one forward? N McKiernan has talent but decision making is that of a junior footballer Conor Madden the same. I fear the worst for what will happen.
McKiernan, Mackey, Givney, Keating etc are gonna be sorely missed unfortunately.
I suggest Mattie is a great man but he hasnt got the talent to play with this year :("
Heard somewhere else Mackey still involved??? Any truth to this?

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 19/01/2017 17:44:08    1947087

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Replying To fredflint:  "When Terry Hylands Cavan famously failed to score in the 2nd half against Tyrone in the McKenna cup final his head was rightly called for by the legends of this forum.

Now Terry never stopped as low as to lose to a college team so surely it's time for Mattie to walk.

The McKenna cup is one of the most important tournaments in the gaa."
At least Mattie is not waiting to the 68 minute to put some subs on.
And also he doesn't seem to have any favourites unlike some previous manager ... who never beat Tyrone at Senior level in any competition.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 19/01/2017 18:53:50    1947118

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "At least Mattie is not waiting to the 68 minute to put some subs on.
And also he doesn't seem to have any favourites unlike some previous manager ... who never beat Tyrone at Senior level in any competition."
No but takes of players early even if playing well and leaves the defence wide open.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 19/01/2017 20:17:46    1947144

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Replying To fredflint:  "When Terry Hylands Cavan famously failed to score in the 2nd half against Tyrone in the McKenna cup final his head was rightly called for by the legends of this forum.

Now Terry never stopped as low as to lose to a college team so surely it's time for Mattie to walk.

The McKenna cup is one of the most important tournaments in the gaa."
Fredflint .... Terry is gone .... get over it.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 19/01/2017 21:19:58    1947176

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "At least Mattie is not waiting to the 68 minute to put some subs on.
And also he doesn't seem to have any favourites unlike some previous manager ... who never beat Tyrone at Senior level in any competition."
Put sure he is playing forwards as backs too. Disgrace! You were right all along. Time to sack him.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1484 - 19/01/2017 21:30:48    1947180

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Very disappointed with the game last night - I know people say it s only the mc kenna cup but that's too simplistic . you have to try to win every game . It would be far better going in to the league with momentum than on a downer like that. - We should have had at least one more game in the competition which would bring us nicely into the Dublin match. While I don't want to be too harsh on the lads there should be no excuse for that performance. We were all over the place - no pattern, terrible shot selection - no structure , no game plan. I think the management erred in not starting with a stronger team - they took UUJ for granted and by the time they realised we were in a game it was too late. I'm all for giving new players a chance but not all at once . I heard Mattie saying we are "on a great learning curve ". Just what the hell is that about ? We are supposed to be a division 1 team not continual learners. I saw absolutely nothing different about the style of play - I think that's all in his head. I m afraid the bottom line is we just haven't the players - we have a lot of good players but absolutely no class forwards. Until we get someone like McBrearty , Conor Mc Manus , Kilian O Connor , Diarmaid Connolly( and about 6 other Dubliners ) , Michael Murphy , Gooch , etc I'm afraid we will never win anything again. We haven't a top class forward who is comfortable in possession and can kick five or six points from play. I sincerely hope I m wrong but I cant see see us holding our place in Div 1 judging by what I ve seen so far .

tenyearplan (Cavan) - Posts: 147 - 19/01/2017 22:52:31    1947207

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Have to agree totally with comments by "Ten Year Plan".

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 76 - 20/01/2017 10:13:34    1947261

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Replying To tenyearplan:  "Very disappointed with the game last night - I know people say it s only the mc kenna cup but that's too simplistic . you have to try to win every game . It would be far better going in to the league with momentum than on a downer like that. - We should have had at least one more game in the competition which would bring us nicely into the Dublin match. While I don't want to be too harsh on the lads there should be no excuse for that performance. We were all over the place - no pattern, terrible shot selection - no structure , no game plan. I think the management erred in not starting with a stronger team - they took UUJ for granted and by the time they realised we were in a game it was too late. I'm all for giving new players a chance but not all at once . I heard Mattie saying we are "on a great learning curve ". Just what the hell is that about ? We are supposed to be a division 1 team not continual learners. I saw absolutely nothing different about the style of play - I think that's all in his head. I m afraid the bottom line is we just haven't the players - we have a lot of good players but absolutely no class forwards. Until we get someone like McBrearty , Conor Mc Manus , Kilian O Connor , Diarmaid Connolly( and about 6 other Dubliners ) , Michael Murphy , Gooch , etc I'm afraid we will never win anything again. We haven't a top class forward who is comfortable in possession and can kick five or six points from play. I sincerely hope I m wrong but I cant see see us holding our place in Div 1 judging by what I ve seen so far ."
What about Seanie Johnston. Is he not a top class forward?

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1484 - 20/01/2017 11:53:55    1947307

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Replying To fredflint:  "What about Seanie Johnston. Is he not a top class forward?"
He's a good forward but not a top class forward !
Not in same league as Conor Mc Manus, Connolly, Brogan, Gooch etc

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 20/01/2017 13:37:49    1947346

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