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Replying To asdfg:  "Absolutely, 3 very poor candidates. To be fair Galligan has the makings of a good manager but he needs to go off and learn his trade first .
McDermott is probably the best of the 3 and that says a lot. All 3 are a massive step down from Graham let's be honest .
Im sure the county board will have enough cop to go off and look elsewhere."
I wouldn't say very poor. The usual negative slant on here. Coaches before have gone straight from playing to managing. McHugh did it with us straight from Donegal (after his own county turned him down as manager - some parallels here?). McGeeney has done it too. The other 2 are well regarded coaches too. McDermott has inter county management experience and has won the club Championship here. Jayo too has won the Championship here, and one of our best goal getter forwards in the last 50 years. lord knows if he could teach some of our lads to score goals we might be a bit better.

These are not the only 3 though by the way. just the internal candidates. But can we be so picky considering where we are? We'll not be attracting huge names, so likes of this is where we are. Might have to be a fast trick like Galligan which might get us a step ahead maybe. Who knows. we've done the usual and conservative before and messed it up often

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2380 - 25/07/2023 11:18:06    2496744

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Replying To asdfg:  "Absolutely, 3 very poor candidates. To be fair Galligan has the makings of a good manager but he needs to go off and learn his trade first .
McDermott is probably the best of the 3 and that says a lot. All 3 are a massive step down from Graham let's be honest .
Im sure the county board will have enough cop to go off and look elsewhere."
All 3 would be highly insulated if they were considered as a massive step down from Graham… their managerial careers finished before in 2 cases before its even started …

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1899 - 25/07/2023 11:29:22    2496748

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Mark McHugh the man for the job….assisted on the background by you know who…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1899 - 25/07/2023 12:19:58    2496767

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The question is who of the required calibre would Cavan be able to secure?
Stephen Rochford, James Horan? They'd be going through the motions you'd feel.
McConville? Prefers his current gig with no expectation and plenty of time for media work.
Malachy O Rourke won't want it but he would be first choice. Tony McEntee? Non starter.
Aidan O Rourke? His reputation is inflated somewaht you would think. Banty- could you imagine???
Fergal Reel- no intercounty track record but a solid club profile.
Not simple lads.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 25/07/2023 19:23:59    2496923

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I don't think galligan woold be a good choice cause inexperienced and few players need to be moved on and others to take a lesser role in the team hard to do when you ve played with all of them.

Jason might be ok.

McDermott looks the pick of the 3.

tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 334 - 25/07/2023 19:39:40    2496925

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I wouldn't say very poor. The usual negative slant on here. Coaches before have gone straight from playing to managing. McHugh did it with us straight from Donegal (after his own county turned him down as manager - some parallels here?). McGeeney has done it too. The other 2 are well regarded coaches too. McDermott has inter county management experience and has won the club Championship here. Jayo too has won the Championship here, and one of our best goal getter forwards in the last 50 years. lord knows if he could teach some of our lads to score goals we might be a bit better.

These are not the only 3 though by the way. just the internal candidates. But can we be so picky considering where we are? We'll not be attracting huge names, so likes of this is where we are. Might have to be a fast trick like Galligan which might get us a step ahead maybe. Who knows. we've done the usual and conservative before and messed it up often"
McHugh and McGeeney won All Irelands as players and probaly has respect of lots of player in other counties. Galligan managing players he played with could be a positive or a negative as too pally with some players.

Michael Murpy is staying away from the Donegal job because he wants to learn the trade ..

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 25/07/2023 22:22:38    2496940

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "McHugh and McGeeney won All Irelands as players and probaly has respect of lots of player in other counties. Galligan managing players he played with could be a positive or a negative as too pally with some players.

Michael Murpy is staying away from the Donegal job because he wants to learn the trade .."
I get all that. Just saying it happens and it doesn't automatically make it a bad thing. It might work, it might not. It's not for me personally, I just wouldn't rule it out completely as it has worked.

We also don't have many all Ireland winners hanging around the county anymore so we need to see where we are at

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2380 - 26/07/2023 10:33:18    2496986

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Replying To JamsieMac:  "I'm sure the players and proper Cavan supporters enjoyed those wins at the time. You enter all comps with the intention of winning, otherwise what are we even doing here? Do you honestly think if we played attacking underage football and win nothing that it would lead to senior success? 'He never found a forward with those teams'.. yea maybe they didn't exist. That would make his management all the more impressive. McDermott, Kevin Tierney, Tom Hayes were probably the pick of them. Others I won't name are good players but never exactly ran riot at Senior Club Championship in Cavan.
What exactly did Donegal learn from losing? They had Murphy, McBrearty etc. but did we not beat them in an Ulster Senior Final?"
Well since we first beat Donegal at that time they have gone on to contest 8 Ulster senior Finals winning 3 of them…. So I think they learned quite a bit.. We contested 2 winning 1in the same period….Anybody with an ounce of intelligence would regard winning 3 titles at senior level better than winning 1….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1899 - 26/07/2023 11:03:53    2497004

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Donegal lost U21 final to us was it 2010 or 2011? Then won a senior All Ireland in 2012 with Murphy and Mc Hugh and Mc Brearty and also got to the final in 2014.
We got rid of Johnson, Lyng , Mackey and more just when our u21s started winning Ulster championships."
Donegal won Division 1 national League a few years before McGuiness took over. Karl Lacey had 2 All Stars before the McGuiness era. They had a bad year before he took over in 2011 but had quality place.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 26/07/2023 11:27:49    2497012

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Donegal won Division 1 national League a few years before McGuiness took over. Karl Lacey had 2 All Stars before the McGuiness era. They had a bad year before he took over in 2011 but had quality place."
The point I'm making is they blended youth with experience.
We went with total youth. Got rid of the experienced players.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 26/07/2023 13:11:49    2497054

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If the Celt were to be believed, it looks as if another name was added to the pot last night, whom I heard was Declan Bonner, but according to the Celt, the next Cavan manager will be one of the 3 named individuals from last week. I dont know much about McDermot, but he has won County Titles with a few clubs, was with the Clare Senior Team for a while and led Kilmurray-Ibrakane to Munster Club glory so he has the stronger pedigree than the other two. Cavan Football is at a crossroads, Division Two Football next year, so the next manager needs to be an experienced manager who is well respected at inter-county level, the Co Board need to look forward as the wrong choice will be so detrimental to Cavan Football.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 26/07/2023 14:25:09    2497079

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Well since we first beat Donegal at that time they have gone on to contest 8 Ulster senior Finals winning 3 of them…. So I think they learned quite a bit.. We contested 2 winning 1in the same period….Anybody with an ounce of intelligence would regard winning 3 titles at senior level better than winning 1…."
Donegals success at that time, including winning an All Ireland, let me assure you, was not down to Cavan beating them in an Ulster 21 game. And you're giving out about Cavan setting up defensive at that time???

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 481 - 26/07/2023 14:41:52    2497088

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Donegal won Division 1 national League a few years before McGuiness took over. Karl Lacey had 2 All Stars before the McGuiness era. They had a bad year before he took over in 2011 but had quality place."
They had been beaten in the 1st round of Ulster for 4 consecutive years before Jim took over.
He won Ulster in year 1 amd All Ireland in year 2.
And did it while bringing through u21 players who he had managed to success at that grade.

The best manager gaelic football has ever seen IMO, and any management ticket that could possibly include him would be my choice for the job.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 26/07/2023 14:45:36    2497090

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Replying To cavanman47:  "They had been beaten in the 1st round of Ulster for 4 consecutive years before Jim took over.
He won Ulster in year 1 amd All Ireland in year 2.
And did it while bringing through u21 players who he had managed to success at that grade.

The best manager gaelic football has ever seen IMO, and any management ticket that could possibly include him would be my choice for the job."
I wouldn't put him down as the best ever but the players bought into what he was trying to do over a short period.
If you're talking about the best ever you can't look behond Mick o Dwyer or Jim Gavin who built successful teams and intergrated players to keep the success going. That's a bigger achievement in itself.
In saying that I'd welcome McGuinness but realistically he ain't coming to Cavan as he seems to have bigger ideas than GAA.
Donegal were known as a party team who even celebrated defeats until Jim got hold of them and blended youth with experience coupled with BELIEF.
That's the secret Belief. They believed they were going to win, believed they were the best and that was all down to McGuinness.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 26/07/2023 15:42:56    2497102

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Replying To JamsieMac:  "Donegals success at that time, including winning an All Ireland, let me assure you, was not down to Cavan beating them in an Ulster 21 game. And you're giving out about Cavan setting up defensive at that time???"
You seem to be missing the point completely… I don't give two hoots about Donegal… what I'm saying is we gained nothing from winning 4 U-21 titles that nobody could even name 1 team from 1/15 without looking up ( where that would be ) but Donegal at least gained something at senior level which we didn't….. We are still paying a huge price for the tactics implemented at that time…. including an embarrassing dive into Division 4…. but you seem happy with that…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1899 - 26/07/2023 15:53:06    2497105

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "You seem to be missing the point completely… I don't give two hoots about Donegal… what I'm saying is we gained nothing from winning 4 U-21 titles that nobody could even name 1 team from 1/15 without looking up ( where that would be ) but Donegal at least gained something at senior level which we didn't….. We are still paying a huge price for the tactics implemented at that time…. including an embarrassing dive into Division 4…. but you seem happy with that…"
Gone way off topic, couldn't give a hoot about Donegal either. The only thing they coulda learnt from Cavan is how to beat a better team with a defensive system. Point still stands that Cavan didn't have the corner forwards. Some of those lads were playing Intermediate club football, and while good, didn't stand out a mile.

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 481 - 26/07/2023 16:15:23    2497114

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Joe Brolly about 8 months before the black death .
As for Killygarry I believe it was yourself who said they were concentrating that much on facilities and making money that they'd forgotten about coaching and development.
There's also lads saying that x or y if they were giving the management job would put the county back 10 years, have we actually moved that far forward in the last 10 years? we had up to 11 of the players that started in Mickeys last Ulster Championship match v Armagh who also featured in Hylands last Ulster Championship match v Tyrone. This shows up a total lack of development of our younger players, similarities with Killygarry, come to mind,concentrating more on making money than coaching .
We are no longer the Cavan of the 30's,40's,50's & 60's so we should not underestimate Mickey's achievement of bringing the Anglo Celt cup back to our county for only the second time in over 50 years and give praise where it's due, likewise he should not be exonerated from blame for our dismal performances of the last few years.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 256 - 26/07/2023 17:57:11    2497151

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Replying To cavanman47:  "They had been beaten in the 1st round of Ulster for 4 consecutive years before Jim took over.
He won Ulster in year 1 amd All Ireland in year 2.
And did it while bringing through u21 players who he had managed to success at that grade.

The best manager gaelic football has ever seen IMO, and any management ticket that could possibly include him would be my choice for the job."
Funny how the greatest ever manager ( in your opinion ) never got offered another job at County level… tried his nonsense at soccer.. got run out of Celtic and lasted a few weeks in China before they saw through his bull… He destroyed club football up in Donegal and is a spoofer of the highest quality yet you would like him involved with Cavan… Unbelievable

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1899 - 27/07/2023 11:51:20    2497251

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Replying To aceofspades:  "Joe Brolly about 8 months before the black death .
As for Killygarry I believe it was yourself who said they were concentrating that much on facilities and making money that they'd forgotten about coaching and development.
There's also lads saying that x or y if they were giving the management job would put the county back 10 years, have we actually moved that far forward in the last 10 years? we had up to 11 of the players that started in Mickeys last Ulster Championship match v Armagh who also featured in Hylands last Ulster Championship match v Tyrone. This shows up a total lack of development of our younger players, similarities with Killygarry, come to mind,concentrating more on making money than coaching .
We are no longer the Cavan of the 30's,40's,50's & 60's so we should not underestimate Mickey's achievement of bringing the Anglo Celt cup back to our county for only the second time in over 50 years and give praise where it's due, likewise he should not be exonerated from blame for our dismal performances of the last few years."
In fairness to Mickey, had a hell of a lot of work to do with what he was left with. I certainly think we did move forward and he brought a good few young lads into the panel, we got to back to back Ulster Finals for the first time since the 60s and won an Ulster Title for the first time since 1997, he also has left us in a good place in Division Two and with the current squad of players, it probably the level that we should be at. It was his time to go, so now its up to the Co Board to appoint his successor, which I've already pointed out, that if its some of those mentioned, then any good work will be undone.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 27/07/2023 15:57:55    2497322

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Funny how the greatest ever manager ( in your opinion ) never got offered another job at County level… tried his nonsense at soccer.. got run out of Celtic and lasted a few weeks in China before they saw through his bull… He destroyed club football up in Donegal and is a spoofer of the highest quality yet you would like him involved with Cavan… Unbelievable"
I honestly don't know if he has or hasn't been offered another county job, but I would expect he has been contacted numerous times by multiple counties.

2 involvements I do know he's had:

Galway last year (when they reached the AI Final)

Down this year (when they beat Donegal, their first notable championship victory with the current crop of players having been deplorable for the past number of years. I would suspect he was a major part in the Kilcoo players returning to the fold.)


To actually address the points you've made. .he wasn't "run out of Celtic". He left Celtic to take the better paying job in China.
And once there, they didn't "see through his bull". He resigned for family reasons.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 27/07/2023 16:27:36    2497328

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