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So we're a week after Mickey decided to step away. What do we reckon for new manager? Supposedly a panel has been set up by the County Board to find a new manager, with emphasis on speed to have in place in good time to watch matches here, and be ready for a pre-season.

Outside managers rarely work. McHugh did for us, but was the only one. He pushed us over the line as we had a good team, with backbone of 2 U21 Ulster winning teams around others, and he was fit to get us across. Otherwise any outside managers don't work here as might not know things well enough. Unless it's an exceptionally high rated manager we should probably stay away. Gavin won't look at a county like us, Horan turned us down before, McGuinness seemingly won't look for another job unless a few sessions here and there, O'Rourke might not want to go back into county management. More inexperienced coaches like McConville out there doing well but are still learning. But do suppose there's no reason that if Louth can snag Mickey Harte, why Cavan can't put together a package to tempt a top manager here? What level of outside manager would we be able to get?

Inside managers likely best as they know the county, and would be in it for all the right reasons. We've good club coaches here who do well and win club championships. John Brady has managed underage teams. Jimmy Higgins has done well with Crosserlough, and with a lot of those men in on the county, he could work well. Jayo Reilly a good manager and ex-county man too. It's hard to know what way they'll go. Maybe an ex-county player who can slot straight in? But definitely this is one of the most pivotal decisions in some time here. They need to get it right. Names above are not exhaustive. Thoughts on who we might get?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 17/07/2023 13:25:41    2495089

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "So we're a week after Mickey decided to step away. What do we reckon for new manager? Supposedly a panel has been set up by the County Board to find a new manager, with emphasis on speed to have in place in good time to watch matches here, and be ready for a pre-season.

Outside managers rarely work. McHugh did for us, but was the only one. He pushed us over the line as we had a good team, with backbone of 2 U21 Ulster winning teams around others, and he was fit to get us across. Otherwise any outside managers don't work here as might not know things well enough. Unless it's an exceptionally high rated manager we should probably stay away. Gavin won't look at a county like us, Horan turned us down before, McGuinness seemingly won't look for another job unless a few sessions here and there, O'Rourke might not want to go back into county management. More inexperienced coaches like McConville out there doing well but are still learning. But do suppose there's no reason that if Louth can snag Mickey Harte, why Cavan can't put together a package to tempt a top manager here? What level of outside manager would we be able to get?

Inside managers likely best as they know the county, and would be in it for all the right reasons. We've good club coaches here who do well and win club championships. John Brady has managed underage teams. Jimmy Higgins has done well with Crosserlough, and with a lot of those men in on the county, he could work well. Jayo Reilly a good manager and ex-county man too. It's hard to know what way they'll go. Maybe an ex-county player who can slot straight in? But definitely this is one of the most pivotal decisions in some time here. They need to get it right. Names above are not exhaustive. Thoughts on who we might get?"
It's not just about picking a Manager it's about the whole management team needs to be right.
Maybe st successful teams nowadays have a big g number 2. A man who's been a manager previously.
One man can't do it on his own.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 17/07/2023 13:55:22    2495103

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "It's not just about picking a Manager it's about the whole management team needs to be right.
Maybe st successful teams nowadays have a big g number 2. A man who's been a manager previously.
One man can't do it on his own."
Oh aye 100% there. I recall the process last year for Mayo. There were 2 big applications, and the whole backroom team, with McStay and his crew the ones getting it. I would say though that we'll unlikely have 2 high profile camps fighting it out for the job as Mayo is a coveted job. The successful manager will have to show his team alright. I'm just spitballing a bit here on who'd be the manager on what we know, or what people would like

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 17/07/2023 14:20:23    2495115

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In an ideal world; McGuinness. Don't see it happening as he'd have to show his expenses then. Perhaps someone with close ties who could bring him in on the quiet?

I've said before, I don't think we have someone within the county currently who would be an improvent on Mickey Graham.

So realistic outside option? I'm not sure. Malachy O'Rourke would probably look the best realistic shout.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5009 - 17/07/2023 14:47:52    2495129

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Next manager should be rory gallagher . We may have to watch a few years of manure football but we are use to that. I was at the Derry Kerry game and it is amazing the way Derry have transitioned away from the manure and are now a fine footballing team and real all ireland contenders only for our Joe they is a fair chance they would be in the final. Their first half performance yesterday was breath taking i think they had one wide and everytime they had a scoring chance on they went for it from all angles other teams would have recycled the ball waiting for the 85 scoring chance it was so refreshing to see.
if Rory wins us 2 ulster finals playing manure football i have to accept this and then we can sack him like derry and play a more expansive game.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 17/07/2023 15:02:34    2495134

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A outside manager might look at the Cavan team as a short term job as there with the age profile of a few players. McKiernan 34 next year. A few like Clarke, McVeety will be 31.

The Meath team that beat Down on Saturday was very young. 4 U20 players started .

Michael McDermott the ex Ramor manager is probably the best candidate from Cavan

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 17/07/2023 15:22:26    2495152

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "Next manager should be rory gallagher . We may have to watch a few years of manure football but we are use to that. I was at the Derry Kerry game and it is amazing the way Derry have transitioned away from the manure and are now a fine footballing team and real all ireland contenders only for our Joe they is a fair chance they would be in the final. Their first half performance yesterday was breath taking i think they had one wide and everytime they had a scoring chance on they went for it from all angles other teams would have recycled the ball waiting for the 85 scoring chance it was so refreshing to see.
if Rory wins us 2 ulster finals playing manure football i have to accept this and then we can sack him like derry and play a more expansive game."
No one will touch Gallagher due to the allegations

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 17/07/2023 15:56:09    2495165

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Replying To cavanman47:  "In an ideal world; McGuinness. Don't see it happening as he'd have to show his expenses then. Perhaps someone with close ties who could bring him in on the quiet?

I've said before, I don't think we have someone within the county currently who would be an improvent on Mickey Graham.

So realistic outside option? I'm not sure. Malachy O'Rourke would probably look the best realistic shout."
O'Rourke would be my choice alright from the outside. In terms of who is gettable. McGuinness/Gavin/Horan and others are pipe dreams so barely worth spending time on (but they should be reached out to). Higgins for me if inside manager

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 17/07/2023 15:57:51    2495166

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No one will touch Gallagher due to the allegations"
I agree with you there, not while he has these allegations hanging over him. But in saying that he was the brains behind Mc Guinness success at Donegal and Derrys success this past 2 years. If that's the kinda success you want.
James Mc Cartan as a number 2 would be my idea of experience if we went for a local Manager. He knows how football should be played.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 17/07/2023 16:11:53    2495174

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "Next manager should be rory gallagher . We may have to watch a few years of manure football but we are use to that. I was at the Derry Kerry game and it is amazing the way Derry have transitioned away from the manure and are now a fine footballing team and real all ireland contenders only for our Joe they is a fair chance they would be in the final. Their first half performance yesterday was breath taking i think they had one wide and everytime they had a scoring chance on they went for it from all angles other teams would have recycled the ball waiting for the 85 scoring chance it was so refreshing to see.
if Rory wins us 2 ulster finals playing manure football i have to accept this and then we can sack him like derry and play a more expansive game."
I agree, I hope yous get him, I say hes a man in high demand so make sure to wave a good deal in his face!!

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 378 - 17/07/2023 16:23:49    2495181

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A big name is needed at this stage. Apologies, but Higgins, Brady and other's mentioned in this thread would be a step down from Graham. Gallagher is a massive no, given what went on before. Louth went out and got Mickey Harte, no reason why Cavan would have to get an inside manager, we have a lot of young players coming through and they need a manager that they can look up to, a manager that commands respect. An option is Mick Bohan with the Dublin Ladies, he was a front runner to replace Anthony Cunningham in Roscommon in 2022. He has worked with Jim Gavin a few times (2010, 2012 Under 21 All Irelands and 2013 Senior All Ireland, also won a few Sigersons and assisted Colm Collins in Clare.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 17/07/2023 16:37:18    2495183

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The way Colm O Rourke brought Sean Boylan in an advisory capacity is something we should look at too. His experience and advice was probably valuable to O Rourke.
Nowadays is a big management team , just a matter of gelling it all together . Everyone on the same page and the players/ panel buying into what the management trying to do.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 17/07/2023 17:05:13    2495204

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "I agree, I hope yous get him, I say hes a man in high demand so make sure to wave a good deal in his face!!"
No county board in their right mind would touch Gallagher while all this hangs over him….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1885 - 17/07/2023 17:15:02    2495209

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Unless we have a root and branch review and change at what's going on at under age level it doesn't matter who takes over the senior team…. All our under age teams are playing the same dour win at all costs type of football which leads us to not having any forwards from these teams that are any good to step up to senior level when needed…. I said at the time and I will say it again… Our U-21 4 in a row winning team played a dour defensive game leading to no forwards been developed and look where it landed us .. We have to start at the bottom

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1885 - 17/07/2023 17:25:07    2495214

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "The way Colm O Rourke brought Sean Boylan in an advisory capacity is something we should look at too. His experience and advice was probably valuable to O Rourke.
Nowadays is a big management team , just a matter of gelling it all together . Everyone on the same page and the players/ panel buying into what the management trying to do."
i would not take Meath example as a good move appointing O rourke was a huge mistake they were very lucky to avoid relegation to division 3 won their last game to stay up and played brutal football during the league. They won the tailteann cup final because Down reverted to manure football because they were so afraid of the meath full forward line after their display against antrim who could have easily beaten meath in the semifinal. Their performance in the first half of the tailteann cup final was as bad as you will ever see one point form play 13 turn overs 8 wides and 3 or 4 ball into the goalkeepers hands and one flukey goal to keep them in the game. Its great they are in division 2 for next year.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 18/07/2023 10:41:59    2495333

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "i would not take Meath example as a good move appointing O rourke was a huge mistake they were very lucky to avoid relegation to division 3 won their last game to stay up and played brutal football during the league. They won the tailteann cup final because Down reverted to manure football because they were so afraid of the meath full forward line after their display against antrim who could have easily beaten meath in the semifinal. Their performance in the first half of the tailteann cup final was as bad as you will ever see one point form play 13 turn overs 8 wides and 3 or 4 ball into the goalkeepers hands and one flukey goal to keep them in the game. Its great they are in division 2 for next year."
I hope we will still be saying it's great after we play them…. Remember we were well beaten by a Down team beaten by this Meath team you think so little off..!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1885 - 18/07/2023 13:51:10    2495405

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "i would not take Meath example as a good move appointing O rourke was a huge mistake they were very lucky to avoid relegation to division 3 won their last game to stay up and played brutal football during the league. They won the tailteann cup final because Down reverted to manure football because they were so afraid of the meath full forward line after their display against antrim who could have easily beaten meath in the semifinal. Their performance in the first half of the tailteann cup final was as bad as you will ever see one point form play 13 turn overs 8 wides and 3 or 4 ball into the goalkeepers hands and one flukey goal to keep them in the game. Its great they are in division 2 for next year."
I tell you 1 thing , O Rourke has done a good job in a year . Meath in a lot better position now than when he took over and that's what's it all about…. Improvement.
Give us a Manager who will get us playing football and a full forward line like Meath have and that will do for starters!
They can only get better. Can we?

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 18/07/2023 14:50:26    2495423

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "i would not take Meath example as a good move appointing O rourke was a huge mistake they were very lucky to avoid relegation to division 3 won their last game to stay up and played brutal football during the league. They won the tailteann cup final because Down reverted to manure football because they were so afraid of the meath full forward line after their display against antrim who could have easily beaten meath in the semifinal. Their performance in the first half of the tailteann cup final was as bad as you will ever see one point form play 13 turn overs 8 wides and 3 or 4 ball into the goalkeepers hands and one flukey goal to keep them in the game. Its great they are in division 2 for next year."
Don't think it was a huge mistake, but they've had a fair slice of luck. They've done well in likes of Boylan being around as a link to a historic past, and have also turned over the team a lot. Think only 4 players who started the win v Cork in the league started v Down last Saturday. They had a rookie in every line of the field. So O'Rourke has done well there. But saying that, they had a poor league, missed out on Sam (which might be a blessing in disguise) which meant they were the only Division 2 team in Tailteann so were highest ranked amongst poor Div4 teams. And their run to the final was not playing decent teams. Yeah they got over Down in Round 3, but Down kicked 17 wides apparently. And then Down went away from their game in the final, thought they were world beaters after thrashing Laois, And Meath got luck with the goal and saw it off. They did well, but a bit of luck in falling over the line in places. Still, Cavan could take something from what they did in style, management, and refreshing the team I suppose.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 18/07/2023 15:58:34    2495444

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O Rourke is working with a young team. Is there anyone 30 or over bar Donal Keoghan. Winning a trophy will giving them a boost for 24

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 18/07/2023 18:05:51    2495490

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I agree with you there, not while he has these allegations hanging over him. But in saying that he was the brains behind Mc Guinness success at Donegal and Derrys success this past 2 years. If that's the kinda success you want.
James Mc Cartan as a number 2 would be my idea of experience if we went for a local Manager. He knows how football should be played."
Think your well off the mark saying he was the brains behind mc Guinness. Things when very wrong after jim left

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 18/07/2023 21:32:45    2495511

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