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Cavan Minor And U20s 2023

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Don't see a thread for the underage teams for this season, so starting this for chat for the lads for the year ahead.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 18/02/2023 11:11:48    2458795

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U20s in league action recently. Disappointing loss to Longford last week when we seemed to be ahead and better for much of it, but got caught for a few goals and Longford saw it off at the end. Seems to be trying a few things though with a big panel.

Got a win v Fermanagh last night. A lot of questions come from this too. Were nicely leading 5-2 before conceding 5 on the bounce. 2nd half was tight, and were still 2 down approaching injury time, but managed to get 3 on the bounce to win it by a point. Good resilience there, but there will be things to take from how they managed things at times, letting them score 5 on the bounce and such. But sure look, a win is good, they're learning, and this is the time to try things. Hope the lads push on now, they've a fair few lads with top end senior club experience

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 18/02/2023 11:20:38    2458799

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "U20s in league action recently. Disappointing loss to Longford last week when we seemed to be ahead and better for much of it, but got caught for a few goals and Longford saw it off at the end. Seems to be trying a few things though with a big panel.

Got a win v Fermanagh last night. A lot of questions come from this too. Were nicely leading 5-2 before conceding 5 on the bounce. 2nd half was tight, and were still 2 down approaching injury time, but managed to get 3 on the bounce to win it by a point. Good resilience there, but there will be things to take from how they managed things at times, letting them score 5 on the bounce and such. But sure look, a win is good, they're learning, and this is the time to try things. Hope the lads push on now, they've a fair few lads with top end senior club experience"
Are there a lot of players from last years run to the Ulster final still to return.

Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 19/02/2023 12:49:03    2459002

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Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "Are there a lot of players from last years run to the Ulster final still to return."
Think there's some alright. They said in the Celt during the week that they're trying the panel of 40 to see what's there. Did see McKeogh in the photo for Longford with his top on, he was starting last year and when into the Senior panel (with Carolan and those), so he must have a knock. It's just League, think we'll see the true team come out of it towards the end when getting ready for Championship

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 19/02/2023 20:54:01    2459218

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U20s out tonight v Monaghan. Always a big game against our dear neighbours. Monaghan were meant to be out last Wednesday, but with the weather the pitch was unplayable, meaning they played Saturday v Armagh. So they're out again after a 4 day turnaround. Monaghan at home, hope we get a good crowd out. For those unable to travel, Ulster GAA TV will be streaming the match. Best of luck tonight fellas

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 29/03/2023 08:44:43    2467482

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "U20s out tonight v Monaghan. Always a big game against our dear neighbours. Monaghan were meant to be out last Wednesday, but with the weather the pitch was unplayable, meaning they played Saturday v Armagh. So they're out again after a 4 day turnaround. Monaghan at home, hope we get a good crowd out. For those unable to travel, Ulster GAA TV will be streaming the match. Best of luck tonight fellas"
Unclear from your post but just to clarify, the game is in Breffni

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12200 - 29/03/2023 15:22:21    2467609

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Unclear from your post but just to clarify, the game is in Breffni"
Fair point, I wasn't clear. Hope we get a good crowd out

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 29/03/2023 15:51:11    2467623

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What is it about Cavan football, just listened to second half of under 20 v Monaghan seems we have a problem at under age and seniors of taking wrong options when in attack going for stupid scores or dropping ball short or into goal keepers hands , Monaghan didn't do that tonight they were accurate when they got their chances why is that. What's these coaches teaching these players that 9 out of 10 times we take wrong options and that includes the seniors, we left that game behind us tonight by making the wrong choices, good luck to Monaghan but unless we buck our ideas up we'll always be the nearly men.

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 4 - 29/03/2023 21:15:02    2467701

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Very dissapointing stuff last night, If that's our strongest panel in 10 years then things aren't looking great.
It's like groundhog day following Cavan teams, bad decesion making, too many wides/dropped shorts, dodgey referee decesions and silly fouls.
At some point it has to stop becoming unlucky.

asdfg (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 30/03/2023 08:08:03    2467703

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Replying To asdfg:  "Very dissapointing stuff last night, If that's our strongest panel in 10 years then things aren't looking great.
It's like groundhog day following Cavan teams, bad decesion making, too many wides/dropped shorts, dodgey referee decesions and silly fouls.
At some point it has to stop becoming unlucky."
We have seen this film many times before… nothing to do with luck..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 30/03/2023 10:11:10    2467721

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Replying To [email protected]:  "What is it about Cavan football, just listened to second half of under 20 v Monaghan seems we have a problem at under age and seniors of taking wrong options when in attack going for stupid scores or dropping ball short or into goal keepers hands , Monaghan didn't do that tonight they were accurate when they got their chances why is that. What's these coaches teaching these players that 9 out of 10 times we take wrong options and that includes the seniors, we left that game behind us tonight by making the wrong choices, good luck to Monaghan but unless we buck our ideas up we'll always be the nearly men."
You keep listening to the radio, maybe if you had to go to the match your shout might of got it over the bar instead of dropping short

Breffniboys (Cavan) - Posts: 15 - 30/03/2023 10:25:19    2467730

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Replying To asdfg:  "Very dissapointing stuff last night, If that's our strongest panel in 10 years then things aren't looking great.
It's like groundhog day following Cavan teams, bad decesion making, too many wides/dropped shorts, dodgey referee decesions and silly fouls.
At some point it has to stop becoming unlucky."
huge opportunity missed last night. i thought the team battled extremely hard against a strong Monaghon team that had a game under their belt already. we should have been alot further in front at half time and wasted 7/8 scoring chances with balls falling short or crazy pot shots in the last 15-20 minutes. also have to say that i thought the substitutions and volume of them in the last 15 mins was ridiculous. they weakened our team & totally disrupted our structure allowing Monaghon to dominate the middle third of the field. seemed to be pre-arranged substitutions rather than actually reading the game on its own merits

bond (Longford) - Posts: 174 - 30/03/2023 11:58:40    2467758

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Why was Conor Casey not involved with the U20s this year

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 30/03/2023 12:58:22    2467784

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Replying To Breffniboys:  "You keep listening to the radio, maybe if you had to go to the match your shout might of got it over the bar instead of dropping short"
So a good shout can make a player kick the ball further and more accurately.. that's amazing and would make you wonder why Mayo keep coming up short despite their massive support… And Cavans last Ulster success ( 2020 ) came when there was nobody at all at the game… Makes your comment look very silly….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 30/03/2023 13:17:24    2467790

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Replying To bond:  "huge opportunity missed last night. i thought the team battled extremely hard against a strong Monaghon team that had a game under their belt already. we should have been alot further in front at half time and wasted 7/8 scoring chances with balls falling short or crazy pot shots in the last 15-20 minutes. also have to say that i thought the substitutions and volume of them in the last 15 mins was ridiculous. they weakened our team & totally disrupted our structure allowing Monaghon to dominate the middle third of the field. seemed to be pre-arranged substitutions rather than actually reading the game on its own merits"
Although I perhaps wouldn't be as critical on the kickouts, I do think we left it behind us. For example, the zonal press on their kickout was at times too easy to break out of, especially when we were chasing the game. Then, aggressive man on man was needed. Nevertheless, I must say that they're a well coached team who obviously buy into what their management want them to do. On another day, Lovett's shot slips inside the post and we go to extra time. I wouldn't be overly harsh with my criticism. They're only 19 20 years old. On another note, Ulster badly needs the round robin that other provinces employ.

Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 30/03/2023 13:31:17    2467795

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "We have seen this film many times before… nothing to do with luck.."
Agreed , what I was getting at it happens all too often for it to be put down to luck etc.
You have to start questioning the footballing IQ of our teams.
We need to smarten up, look how cute Tyrone teams are generally. They can fix things in game and figure things out for themselves.

asdfg (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 30/03/2023 13:43:17    2467799

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Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "Although I perhaps wouldn't be as critical on the kickouts, I do think we left it behind us. For example, the zonal press on their kickout was at times too easy to break out of, especially when we were chasing the game. Then, aggressive man on man was needed. Nevertheless, I must say that they're a well coached team who obviously buy into what their management want them to do. On another day, Lovett's shot slips inside the post and we go to extra time. I wouldn't be overly harsh with my criticism. They're only 19 20 years old. On another note, Ulster badly needs the round robin that other provinces employ."
Only Leinster employs the round robin at U20 level. But should be the same format in 4 provinces ,be it knockout or round robin

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 30/03/2023 13:46:21    2467800

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Replying To asdfg:  "Agreed , what I was getting at it happens all too often for it to be put down to luck etc.
You have to start questioning the footballing IQ of our teams.
We need to smarten up, look how cute Tyrone teams are generally. They can fix things in game and figure things out for themselves."
Tyrone are a very good example of Teams that can grind out a result even when not playing well from their cuteness .
I never remember a Cavan Team being able to do that.
Back in the day on the club front Kingscourt could do it and Cavan Gaels could also do it.
But from a county point of view especially this past 25 years when the chips are down we are found wanting.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 30/03/2023 14:23:07    2467822

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Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "Although I perhaps wouldn't be as critical on the kickouts, I do think we left it behind us. For example, the zonal press on their kickout was at times too easy to break out of, especially when we were chasing the game. Then, aggressive man on man was needed. Nevertheless, I must say that they're a well coached team who obviously buy into what their management want them to do. On another day, Lovett's shot slips inside the post and we go to extra time. I wouldn't be overly harsh with my criticism. They're only 19 20 years old. On another note, Ulster badly needs the round robin that other provinces employ."
I'm not being critical of the kickouts or any of the players as i stated they put in a massive effort from no: 1 - 15. my criticism is off the substitutions and sheer number of subs introduced in a short period of time that severely weakened the team and disrupted the teams structure and flow handing the initiative to Monaghon

bond (Longford) - Posts: 174 - 30/03/2023 18:32:14    2467884

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Only Leinster employs the round robin at U20 level. But should be the same format in 4 provinces ,be it knockout or round robin"
If the round robin was in place and we got beaten by a team say in the Final that we already beat we would be complaining that it wasn't a knockout… The same excuses every year as to why we were beaten… bad luck or bad refereeing seems to be the problem…. How about accepting that we are actually not good enough…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 30/03/2023 19:32:13    2467887

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