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A win …. but it's all that can be said about that. Laois were terrible and it looked like half of them weren't fit to walk.. We were only marginally better but never had to get out off 2nd gear… I counted 6/7 times the ball was fumbled by Cavan players who received a pass with not a Laois player in sight…real juniors B stuff… Cavan can only improve on this performance and surely London will provide stronger opposition next weekend…Another poor refereeing performance.. How on earth did he think that was a penalty..? Football is in a terrible place at the moment and judging by the paltry attendance yesterday people are finally seeing sense and refusing to pay in to see such rubbish…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 14/05/2023 08:13:40    2478216

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we have definitely gone back wards defensively very open and porus at the back especially early on in matches any decent attacking team ie any team ranked from 6 to 16 in ireland would take this team apart if they attacked straight up the middle we may get away with it in the Tailteann cup which is our level. Look at the laois goal and the attempt by our star defender to tackle the laois forward again we are starting matches the last 5 matches with very little energy and aggression and giving the opposition regardless of their ability a great platform to perform.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 14/05/2023 12:16:46    2478275

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Was good to see players having a go at the posts despite no real pressure from Laois Took some nice scores.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 14/05/2023 12:33:07    2478288

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Lads you can only beat what's put in front of you. That's why I maintain the extended panel should be used in this competition to give lads on the panel plenty of game time. And I don't mean just 10/15 minutes.
We need to unearth some talent going forward and what better way to find it than use players who have played a full game this year yet.
Let the regular more experienced lads go back to their clubs.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 14/05/2023 12:57:30    2478297

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if cavan get fitness up and a few more stats men we will be able to match the manure played in the ulster final today

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 14/05/2023 18:05:04    2478413

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "The type of football Cavan played at U-21 to win 4 Ulster titles in a row was woeful and I said to lads at the time that it would eventually lead to Cavan sinking to the bottom because they were developing no forwards with that set up…: Tyrone who lost 2 of those games but got forward's from those teams that propelled them to senior glory… We got nothing and I doubt anyone apart from the players even remember who won those Ulsters U21 titles…"
Exactly this...it was woeful and was even more woeful when Hyland took over the Senior Team and introduced the same tactics. I said it before and ill say it again, Cavan Football was set back years with those tactics and it ruined many a good forward. And as for Martin Dunne not winning his own ball, he wouldve done if it was kicked into him, Seanie J coming out to midfield against Roscommon in Croker because the ball wasnt going in, Martin Reilly was one of the best forwards in Cavan, player of year before Hyland took over and then wasted his best years sitting deep rather than attacking.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 15/05/2023 09:36:46    2478559

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Exactly this...it was woeful and was even more woeful when Hyland took over the Senior Team and introduced the same tactics. I said it before and ill say it again, Cavan Football was set back years with those tactics and it ruined many a good forward. And as for Martin Dunne not winning his own ball, he wouldve done if it was kicked into him, Seanie J coming out to midfield against Roscommon in Croker because the ball wasnt going in, Martin Reilly was one of the best forwards in Cavan, player of year before Hyland took over and then wasted his best years sitting deep rather than attacking."
You must have been living in a cave as Cavan were only copying what other teams were doing. Cavan reached the Ulster final in 2010 without a defense system and Michael Murphy destroyed them

Bring back the Tommy Carr days of losing to Antrim in clones and almost beings relegated to Division 4

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 15/05/2023 09:52:31    2478567

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "You must have been living in a cave as Cavan were only copying what other teams were doing. Cavan reached the Ulster final in 2010 without a defense system and Michael Murphy destroyed them

Bring back the Tommy Carr days of losing to Antrim in clones and almost beings relegated to Division 4"
News flash for you… Under the current management we have lost to Antrim and have been actually relegated to Division 4 not almost….and if you copy what other teams are doing you belong in a cave…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 15/05/2023 10:05:44    2478574

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "You must have been living in a cave as Cavan were only copying what other teams were doing. Cavan reached the Ulster final in 2010 without a defense system and Michael Murphy destroyed them

Bring back the Tommy Carr days of losing to Antrim in clones and almost beings relegated to Division 4"
So Copying other teams is the way forward then? That what your saying?
If you have forwards that can take a score use them as forwards a kick the ball into them.
It's simple stuff really.
Giving a player like Martin Dunne a ball inside the 20m line is more advantageous than asking him to track back to his own half back line.
No wonder he got disillusioned. So did many others.
Hyland never found a forward out of 4 Ulster winning u21 teams as Keating, Johnston , Mackey and Dunne were the best we had around that time.
Maybe Barry Reilly for the few games he played until he lost interest too.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 15/05/2023 10:18:26    2478589

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "So Copying other teams is the way forward then? That what your saying?
If you have forwards that can take a score use them as forwards a kick the ball into them.
It's simple stuff really.
Giving a player like Martin Dunne a ball inside the 20m line is more advantageous than asking him to track back to his own half back line.
No wonder he got disillusioned. So did many others.
Hyland never found a forward out of 4 Ulster winning u21 teams as Keating, Johnston , Mackey and Dunne were the best we had around that time.
Maybe Barry Reilly for the few games he played until he lost interest too."
You are 100% correct in what you say Breffni1969….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 15/05/2023 13:09:29    2478667

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "News flash for you… Under the current management we have lost to Antrim and have been actually relegated to Division 4 not almost….and if you copy what other teams are doing you belong in a cave…"
If we were copying what other teams were doing, then surely you'd have to wonder how Hyland was left in the job that long!

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 15/05/2023 16:49:10    2478759

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "News flash for you… Under the current management we have lost to Antrim and have been actually relegated to Division 4 not almost….and if you copy what other teams are doing you belong in a cave…"
News Flash For you: Under current management, we reached back to back Ulster Finals for the first time since the 60's, we also won our first Ulster Title in 30 years and we also beat our old foes Monaghan along the way, something that previous management were unable to do!

Hyland had the cream of the crop, but his dismal tactics ruined many a good footballer, disillusioned many more, and if I recall, people actually stopped going to watch Cavan as they were that bad.

In fairness to Graham, every decent footballer in Cavan has got a chance to play and on a good day, they could compete with a lot of teams, but the players on the pitch needed to step up and assume some responsibility for the failure in Ulster this year.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 15/05/2023 16:53:55    2478761

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "News Flash For you: Under current management, we reached back to back Ulster Finals for the first time since the 60's, we also won our first Ulster Title in 30 years and we also beat our old foes Monaghan along the way, something that previous management were unable to do!

Hyland had the cream of the crop, but his dismal tactics ruined many a good footballer, disillusioned many more, and if I recall, people actually stopped going to watch Cavan as they were that bad.

In fairness to Graham, every decent footballer in Cavan has got a chance to play and on a good day, they could compete with a lot of teams, but the players on the pitch needed to step up and assume some responsibility for the failure in Ulster this year."
That's why I think the extended panel should be used in this Tailteann Cup and the regulars of the past few years released back to their clubs.
We need to give lads who haven't had much game time a chance to show their worth.
Beating London by 12/13 points with a full side out proves absolutely nothing.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 15/05/2023 17:18:34    2478778

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "News Flash For you: Under current management, we reached back to back Ulster Finals for the first time since the 60's, we also won our first Ulster Title in 30 years and we also beat our old foes Monaghan along the way, something that previous management were unable to do!

Hyland had the cream of the crop, but his dismal tactics ruined many a good footballer, disillusioned many more, and if I recall, people actually stopped going to watch Cavan as they were that bad.

In fairness to Graham, every decent footballer in Cavan has got a chance to play and on a good day, they could compete with a lot of teams, but the players on the pitch needed to step up and assume some responsibility for the failure in Ulster this year."
We reached back to back Ulster finals because Graham inherited a team that was too good for Division 2 and a tad unlucky to be relegated twice out of Division 1… But under his stewardship he has taken us to the very bottom ( Div4 ) for the first time in our history and in our last 3 Championship campaigns we have tumbled out with not much of a fight put in…. We won Div 3/4 titles ( we we're steeped to beat Tipp ) but when it came to the Taltainn Cup Final he failed yet again tactically… conceding 24/24 kick outs was pure madness after the same tactic nearly and should have cost us in the semifinal v Sligo ( who missed a bag of goals )… I know Hyland's tactics were dismal but the current management are implying the very same type of boring rubbish which is woeful to watch…. And talk about crowds…. how many turned up at the weekend to Breffni…less than 1000. Cavans lowest ever turnout for a home championship game…. Yet another unwanted record for Graham…Even if he delivers the Taltainn Cup ( wouldn't bank on it ) he should be replaced at the end of this campaign..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 15/05/2023 18:03:44    2478792

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "We reached back to back Ulster finals because Graham inherited a team that was too good for Division 2 and a tad unlucky to be relegated twice out of Division 1… But under his stewardship he has taken us to the very bottom ( Div4 ) for the first time in our history and in our last 3 Championship campaigns we have tumbled out with not much of a fight put in…. We won Div 3/4 titles ( we we're steeped to beat Tipp ) but when it came to the Taltainn Cup Final he failed yet again tactically… conceding 24/24 kick outs was pure madness after the same tactic nearly and should have cost us in the semifinal v Sligo ( who missed a bag of goals )… I know Hyland's tactics were dismal but the current management are implying the very same type of boring rubbish which is woeful to watch…. And talk about crowds…. how many turned up at the weekend to Breffni…less than 1000. Cavans lowest ever turnout for a home championship game…. Yet another unwanted record for Graham…Even if he delivers the Taltainn Cup ( wouldn't bank on it ) he should be replaced at the end of this campaign.."
I wouldn't go so far as replacing him at the end of season but definitely the backroom staff need serious shaking up.
Ricey brings nothing if defensive play is anything to go by. We are wide open up the middle.
I think MG deserves a crack at Div 2 especially after 2 successive promotions.
With regard to the Armaghs and Derrys of this world we are not at the level yet to be competitive with them and that's because of the last 2 years playing in Div 3/4 at a slower pace.
A good run in Div 2 will bring us on no end.
That's why the Tailteann should be used to unearth talent by giving the extended panel plenty of game time.
No disrespect to London but our 2nd team should beat them going by Londons performances of late.
You won't unearth talent playing in Div 2 , now the time with at least 4 or more games ahead of us.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 16/05/2023 09:58:43    2478859

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I wouldn't go so far as replacing him at the end of season but definitely the backroom staff need serious shaking up.
Ricey brings nothing if defensive play is anything to go by. We are wide open up the middle.
I think MG deserves a crack at Div 2 especially after 2 successive promotions.
With regard to the Armaghs and Derrys of this world we are not at the level yet to be competitive with them and that's because of the last 2 years playing in Div 3/4 at a slower pace.
A good run in Div 2 will bring us on no end.
That's why the Tailteann should be used to unearth talent by giving the extended panel plenty of game time.
No disrespect to London but our 2nd team should beat them going by Londons performances of late.
You won't unearth talent playing in Div 2 , now the time with at least 4 or more games ahead of us."
There is no way he will change the team around as you say… he is far too loyal to certain players whom he keeps playing regardless of their performance… He has to treat the Taltainn Cup seriously and therefore won't throw in too many newcomers… you are correct in saying McMennimin and Burke contribute nothing and are a complete waste of money…. But knowing this CB they will probably appoint Ricey when Graham as I suspect will go at the end of the season…That's what he is hanging around for…!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 16/05/2023 13:15:26    2478957

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Some of ye are very negative lads give every man his due Hyland team in his last year played great football in division 2 i think they were the highest scorers in the league i was at the deciding match against galway in breffni park and it was as good as football as you would see anywhere great scores match played at championship pace cavan with a great forward line and coming out on top against a good galway team by 2 points i think to get promotion to division 1.
Same with Mickey Graham came in in 2019 and brought the team to an Ulster final after two great games of open skillful football against an up and coming Armagh team. He followed this up by winning an Ulster final in 2020 after a brilliant performance against Donegal plus Barry Cassidy in the final again playing great football.
Credit to both men where it is due yes Hyland had a very poor championship record and Mickey now seems to have lost his nerve in big matches sending the team out in the wrong frame of mind to play it tight and avoid risk early on which gives even poor teams like laois a great chance to get a foothold in the game. Mickey needs to get his mojo back and send his team out especially in the Tailteann Cup to play open attacking fooball. We are easily as good if not better than anyone else in the competition and the only we we can lose is if management get it completely wrong on the line like in last years final.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 479 - 16/05/2023 13:34:21    2478969

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There is no way he will change the team around as you say… he is far too loyal to certain players whom he keeps playing regardless of their performance… He has to treat the Taltainn Cup seriously and therefore won't throw in too many newcomers… you are correct in saying McMennimin and Burke contribute nothing and are a complete waste of money…. But knowing this CB they will probably appoint Ricey when Graham as I suspect will go at the end of the season…That's what he is hanging around for…!!!"
Beating London by a point with 15 players who haven't played a full match would be far more beneficial than hammering London by 10/11 points with a full strength team.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 16/05/2023 14:32:11    2478990

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "So Copying other teams is the way forward then? That what your saying?
If you have forwards that can take a score use them as forwards a kick the ball into them.
It's simple stuff really.
Giving a player like Martin Dunne a ball inside the 20m line is more advantageous than asking him to track back to his own half back line.
No wonder he got disillusioned. So did many others.
Hyland never found a forward out of 4 Ulster winning u21 teams as Keating, Johnston , Mackey and Dunne were the best we had around that time.
Maybe Barry Reilly for the few games he played until he lost interest too."
All these players loosing interest...They wern't good enough and were found out.

The days of handing a forward the ball on a plate so he can have a free kick at goal are long long gone. Its the same with Paddy Lynch atm, all the teams do their homework and know his runs by now. He gets closed down/man marked and less freedom cause he's a dangerous forward.

I would however also like to see more of the extended panel getting involved. Young Carolan looked lost as times the other day out around the middle and Ryan Donohoe gave a dangerous goal mouth pass too. Oisin Brady struggled to get into the game at all. But all this stuff is actually ok as it can be worked on. Its more game time they need as you can practice and train all you want,

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 16/05/2023 15:21:47    2479008

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Replying To ponger:  "All these players loosing interest...They wern't good enough and were found out.

The days of handing a forward the ball on a plate so he can have a free kick at goal are long long gone. Its the same with Paddy Lynch atm, all the teams do their homework and know his runs by now. He gets closed down/man marked and less freedom cause he's a dangerous forward.

I would however also like to see more of the extended panel getting involved. Young Carolan looked lost as times the other day out around the middle and Ryan Donohoe gave a dangerous goal mouth pass too. Oisin Brady struggled to get into the game at all. But all this stuff is actually ok as it can be worked on. Its more game time they need as you can practice and train all you want,"
Ponger, not sure if you have been at many games but the amount of angled runes PL makes is unreal. Hes always out in front, running into space, (small amounts of space due to packed defenses). Hes not getting quality ball because players like GMc keep slowing down the play. PL is a huge talent and best natural forward Cavan has had in years.

Cutler (Cavan) - Posts: 33 - 16/05/2023 16:31:51    2479029

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