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Looks like 10 points will guarantee promotion now after Armagh's big win tonight agains Fermanagh. They and Roscommon have 7 points with two games to go so for Cavan to be sure of promotion they need to win their own games. Even 9 points might suffice.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 07/03/2020 21:48:07    2272717

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Looks like 10 points will guarantee promotion now after Armagh's big win tonight agains Fermanagh. They and Roscommon have 7 points with two games to go so for Cavan to be sure of promotion they need to win their own games. Even 9 points might suffice."
The winners of Armagh and Roscommon will be promoted even if they are beaten in their final game.

Breffnisbest (Cavan) - Posts: 473 - 09/03/2020 08:06:34    2272944

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We can still be relegated if we lose our final 2 games.

I think the Kildare game is a must win. It changes the entire complexion of the Roscommon game then.

We could even be playing a Ros team who are already promoted and who could be using the game to size us up ahead of a league final.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5195 - 09/03/2020 10:30:51    2272966

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "
Replying To JonSmith:  "[quote=StirringIt:  "Counties like Galway are showing quick and direct play is the way to go and we need to get up to speed.

Galway have talent ! Simple as ...

Ulster title this year will be decided in the first round game between Tyrone and Donegal.

Monaghan will be their opposition but winner will be the winner of the above clash. Probably Donegal.

Cavan will puff and blow for a few rounds in the qualifiers as usual. Last year was a one off catching Monaghan in the first round with a penalty that wasn't one and took two games to get past an average Armagh side to get a lesson from Donegal in the final. Men v Boys !

We flatter to deceive. We are average. Have been for years. We are mid div 2 team but some people are living in the past.

We are like meath, once a great team. Not any more.

Needs to be a 10 year plan put in place starting with a proper coaching structure in clubs. Bringing all the kids to a county run training session every month to teach and enhance their skills.

Continue that structure the whole way up year after year. Have 2 squads at u15, 16, 17, 20. Keep competition for places.

Stop bowing to Pats. The tail wagged the dog for long enough. if they are not turning up for county training then someone else will take their place. other schools play football and their players are expected to make training .

Get proper coaches. Some think its about shouting and roaring. We've seen it down through the years. Encourage, develop, enhance, teach..."
If you take out the penalty Cavan still beat Monaghan by a point...."
Thats because Monaghan were playing catch up from that moment truth to be told. It was a very bad call but one will take it if it benefits our team."]Was hardly a very bad call. You could see why he gave it, but could also see why it was slightly harsh. He did catch him in the box with contact, so it wasn't a very bad call for a penalty but it was fortunate enough. We will take it though as they got lucky calls in our other games in the USFC over the previous seasons. Goalie taking over 10 steps and no free given comes to mind

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 09/03/2020 11:03:53    2272978

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Replying To cavanman47:  "We can still be relegated if we lose our final 2 games.

I think the Kildare game is a must win. It changes the entire complexion of the Roscommon game then.

We could even be playing a Ros team who are already promoted and who could be using the game to size us up ahead of a league final."
Would take a big performance for Roscommon to win in Armagh, though not beyond them. McGeeney in his 6th year with Armagh, they need to get promotion more then any other team in the Division and probaly will.

Kildare haven't shone under O Connor but won't want tier 2 football. Kevin Feely one of their better players against Laois, athletic midfielder.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2825 - 09/03/2020 19:19:01    2273125

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "
Replying To The Quiet Man:  "[quote=JonSmith:  "[quote=StirringIt:  "Counties like Galway are showing quick and direct play is the way to go and we need to get up to speed.

Galway have talent ! Simple as ...

Ulster title this year will be decided in the first round game between Tyrone and Donegal.

Monaghan will be their opposition but winner will be the winner of the above clash. Probably Donegal.

Cavan will puff and blow for a few rounds in the qualifiers as usual. Last year was a one off catching Monaghan in the first round with a penalty that wasn't one and took two games to get past an average Armagh side to get a lesson from Donegal in the final. Men v Boys !

We flatter to deceive. We are average. Have been for years. We are mid div 2 team but some people are living in the past.

We are like meath, once a great team. Not any more.

Needs to be a 10 year plan put in place starting with a proper coaching structure in clubs. Bringing all the kids to a county run training session every month to teach and enhance their skills.

Continue that structure the whole way up year after year. Have 2 squads at u15, 16, 17, 20. Keep competition for places.

Stop bowing to Pats. The tail wagged the dog for long enough. if they are not turning up for county training then someone else will take their place. other schools play football and their players are expected to make training .

Get proper coaches. Some think its about shouting and roaring. We've seen it down through the years. Encourage, develop, enhance, teach..."
If you take out the penalty Cavan still beat Monaghan by a point...."
Thats because Monaghan were playing catch up from that moment truth to be told. It was a very bad call but one will take it if it benefits our team."]Was hardly a very bad call. You could see why he gave it, but could also see why it was slightly harsh. He did catch him in the box with contact, so it wasn't a very bad call for a penalty but it was fortunate enough. We will take it though as they got lucky calls in our other games in the USFC over the previous seasons. Goalie taking over 10 steps and no free given comes to mind"]Last year was the year to win an Ulster title. Donegal won an easy honest year. When we got there in 2013 we got that bit of luck yous got v monaghan and to get the draw v Armagh. It was made for yous to win the Ulster last year.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 397 - 10/03/2020 09:40:50    2273187

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "
Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "[quote=JonSmith:  "[quote=StirringIt:  "Counties like Galway are showing quick and direct play is the way to go and we need to get up to speed.

Galway have talent ! Simple as ...

Ulster title this year will be decided in the first round game between Tyrone and Donegal.

Monaghan will be their opposition but winner will be the winner of the above clash. Probably Donegal.

Cavan will puff and blow for a few rounds in the qualifiers as usual. Last year was a one off catching Monaghan in the first round with a penalty that wasn't one and took two games to get past an average Armagh side to get a lesson from Donegal in the final. Men v Boys !

We flatter to deceive. We are average. Have been for years. We are mid div 2 team but some people are living in the past.

We are like meath, once a great team. Not any more.

Needs to be a 10 year plan put in place starting with a proper coaching structure in clubs. Bringing all the kids to a county run training session every month to teach and enhance their skills.

Continue that structure the whole way up year after year. Have 2 squads at u15, 16, 17, 20. Keep competition for places.

Stop bowing to Pats. The tail wagged the dog for long enough. if they are not turning up for county training then someone else will take their place. other schools play football and their players are expected to make training .

Get proper coaches. Some think its about shouting and roaring. We've seen it down through the years. Encourage, develop, enhance, teach..."
If you take out the penalty Cavan still beat Monaghan by a point...."
Thats because Monaghan were playing catch up from that moment truth to be told. It was a very bad call but one will take it if it benefits our team."]Was hardly a very bad call. You could see why he gave it, but could also see why it was slightly harsh. He did catch him in the box with contact, so it wasn't a very bad call for a penalty but it was fortunate enough. We will take it though as they got lucky calls in our other games in the USFC over the previous seasons. Goalie taking over 10 steps and no free given comes to mind"]Last year was the year to win an Ulster title. Donegal won an easy honest year. When we got there in 2013 we got that bit of luck yous got v monaghan and to get the draw v Armagh. It was made for yous to win the Ulster last year."]But Donegal weren't still on the tear from an all ireland win last year. They turned up.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5195 - 10/03/2020 14:35:10    2273232

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To monaghanmad:  "[quote=Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "[quote=JonSmith:  "[quote=StirringIt:  "Counties like Galway are showing quick and direct play is the way to go and we need to get up to speed.

Galway have talent ! Simple as ...

Ulster title this year will be decided in the first round game between Tyrone and Donegal.

Monaghan will be their opposition but winner will be the winner of the above clash. Probably Donegal.

Cavan will puff and blow for a few rounds in the qualifiers as usual. Last year was a one off catching Monaghan in the first round with a penalty that wasn't one and took two games to get past an average Armagh side to get a lesson from Donegal in the final. Men v Boys !

We flatter to deceive. We are average. Have been for years. We are mid div 2 team but some people are living in the past.

We are like meath, once a great team. Not any more.

Needs to be a 10 year plan put in place starting with a proper coaching structure in clubs. Bringing all the kids to a county run training session every month to teach and enhance their skills.

Continue that structure the whole way up year after year. Have 2 squads at u15, 16, 17, 20. Keep competition for places.

Stop bowing to Pats. The tail wagged the dog for long enough. if they are not turning up for county training then someone else will take their place. other schools play football and their players are expected to make training .

Get proper coaches. Some think its about shouting and roaring. We've seen it down through the years. Encourage, develop, enhance, teach..."
If you take out the penalty Cavan still beat Monaghan by a point...."
Thats because Monaghan were playing catch up from that moment truth to be told. It was a very bad call but one will take it if it benefits our team."]Was hardly a very bad call. You could see why he gave it, but could also see why it was slightly harsh. He did catch him in the box with contact, so it wasn't a very bad call for a penalty but it was fortunate enough. We will take it though as they got lucky calls in our other games in the USFC over the previous seasons. Goalie taking over 10 steps and no free given comes to mind"]Last year was the year to win an Ulster title. Donegal won an easy honest year. When we got there in 2013 we got that bit of luck yous got v monaghan and to get the draw v Armagh. It was made for yous to win the Ulster last year."]But Donegal weren't still on the tear from an all ireland win last year. They turned up."]And if yous would have turned up yous would have beat them. Point I was just making was that last year you got the luck. Ulster titles are not won in the final. They are won in the semi final and sister finals by big decisions and big players. It shouldn't be hard to get a team up for an Ulster final.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 397 - 10/03/2020 19:38:03    2273290

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Replying To StirringIt:  "Counties like Galway are showing quick and direct play is the way to go and we need to get up to speed.

Galway have talent ! Simple as ...

Ulster title this year will be decided in the first round game between Tyrone and Donegal.

Monaghan will be their opposition but winner will be the winner of the above clash. Probably Donegal.

Cavan will puff and blow for a few rounds in the qualifiers as usual. Last year was a one off catching Monaghan in the first round with a penalty that wasn't one and took two games to get past an average Armagh side to get a lesson from Donegal in the final. Men v Boys !

We flatter to deceive. We are average. Have been for years. We are mid div 2 team but some people are living in the past.

We are like meath, once a great team. Not any more.

Needs to be a 10 year plan put in place starting with a proper coaching structure in clubs. Bringing all the kids to a county run training session every month to teach and enhance their skills.

Continue that structure the whole way up year after year. Have 2 squads at u15, 16, 17, 20. Keep competition for places.

Stop bowing to Pats. The tail wagged the dog for long enough. if they are not turning up for county training then someone else will take their place. other schools play football and their players are expected to make training .

Get proper coaches. Some think its about shouting and roaring. We've seen it down through the years. Encourage, develop, enhance, teach..."
So we have no talent yet have managed to make Division 1 in 2 of the last three years. We could be back again to make it 3 in 5 next year.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 11/03/2020 12:04:33    2273361

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Replying To StirringIt:  "Counties like Galway are showing quick and direct play is the way to go and we need to get up to speed.

Galway have talent ! Simple as ...

Ulster title this year will be decided in the first round game between Tyrone and Donegal.

Monaghan will be their opposition but winner will be the winner of the above clash. Probably Donegal.

Cavan will puff and blow for a few rounds in the qualifiers as usual. Last year was a one off catching Monaghan in the first round with a penalty that wasn't one and took two games to get past an average Armagh side to get a lesson from Donegal in the final. Men v Boys !

We flatter to deceive. We are average. Have been for years. We are mid div 2 team but some people are living in the past.

We are like meath, once a great team. Not any more.

Needs to be a 10 year plan put in place starting with a proper coaching structure in clubs. Bringing all the kids to a county run training session every month to teach and enhance their skills.

Continue that structure the whole way up year after year. Have 2 squads at u15, 16, 17, 20. Keep competition for places.

Stop bowing to Pats. The tail wagged the dog for long enough. if they are not turning up for county training then someone else will take their place. other schools play football and their players are expected to make training .

Get proper coaches. Some think its about shouting and roaring. We've seen it down through the years. Encourage, develop, enhance, teach..."
Nail on head.
The level of coaching going on at underage level is not at the level required, Other counties are streets ahead.
We've gone from having ultimate professionals like Joe McCarthy, Peter Donnelly, Finbar Reilly, Peter Reilly etc involved with our underage teasm to people that aren't up to that standard and our minor/u20 teams have slipped greatly in recent years.

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 11/03/2020 17:07:25    2273435

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "
Replying To StirringIt:  "Counties like Galway are showing quick and direct play is the way to go and we need to get up to speed.

Galway have talent ! Simple as ...

Ulster title this year will be decided in the first round game between Tyrone and Donegal.

Monaghan will be their opposition but winner will be the winner of the above clash. Probably Donegal.

Cavan will puff and blow for a few rounds in the qualifiers as usual. Last year was a one off catching Monaghan in the first round with a penalty that wasn't one and took two games to get past an average Armagh side to get a lesson from Donegal in the final. Men v Boys !

We flatter to deceive. We are average. Have been for years. We are mid div 2 team but some people are living in the past.

We are like meath, once a great team. Not any more.

Needs to be a 10 year plan put in place starting with a proper coaching structure in clubs. Bringing all the kids to a county run training session every month to teach and enhance their skills.

Continue that structure the whole way up year after year. Have 2 squads at u15, 16, 17, 20. Keep competition for places.

Stop bowing to Pats. The tail wagged the dog for long enough. if they are not turning up for county training then someone else will take their place. other schools play football and their players are expected to make training .

Get proper coaches. Some think its about shouting and roaring. We've seen it down through the years. Encourage, develop, enhance, teach..."
Nail on head.
The level of coaching going on at underage level is not at the level required, Other counties are streets ahead.
We've gone from having ultimate professionals like Joe McCarthy, Peter Donnelly, Finbar Reilly, Peter Reilly etc involved with our underage teasm to people that aren't up to that standard and our minor/u20 teams have slipped greatly in recent years."
That could be it for the year now lads no league finished and no championship is my guess to what will happen.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 12/03/2020 19:48:45    2273614

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If the league stops here for this season, will there be promotion and demotion in each league with current positions? If so that Clare result cost us promotion

BreffniBlue (Cavan) - Posts: 278 - 15/03/2020 20:23:07    2273916

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Replying To BreffniBlue:  "If the league stops here for this season, will there be promotion and demotion in each league with current positions? If so that Clare result cost us promotion"
You can read a league table, congratulations.
Who are you asking the question off anyway?

ballygowanwater (Cavan) - Posts: 207 - 16/03/2020 12:43:13    2273973

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Replying To BreffniBlue:  "If the league stops here for this season, will there be promotion and demotion in each league with current positions? If so that Clare result cost us promotion"
We are not near good enough for Division 1 in any case.
We may have been relegated if League had finished as I can't of seen us gaining any points vs Kildare and Roscommon hence leaving us on 6 points with both Clare and Kildare having the head to head on us. If Westmeath beat Laois and Laois beat Fermanagh we would be heading for the drop unless we picked up points.

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 16/03/2020 13:08:07    2273977

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Replying To ballygowanwater:  "You can read a league table, congratulations.
Who are you asking the question off anyway?"
Hope you feel better for that outburst, im sorry i thought this was a forum for discussion, i was putting it to fellow supporters. I wont be making that mistake again

BreffniBlue (Cavan) - Posts: 278 - 16/03/2020 14:46:38    2273987

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Replying To BreffniBlue:  "If the league stops here for this season, will there be promotion and demotion in each league with current positions? If so that Clare result cost us promotion"
if the league stops now, all teams will start next year in the same divisions and tier 2 will be postponed till next year. There'd be too many complaints if there was promotion/demotion with rounds still to be played.

The way things are going, you could be looking at no championship, never mind league being finished. The ROI have done the best thing to try curtail the virus but the North have slipped up badly so the 6 counties and their supporters can't be let near a stadium.

Club leagues are finished for this year too..maybe a knockout championship in each county if it all clears up soon but your probably looking at minimum a couple of months before things can start getting back to normal, then everyone will need a pre-season again (clubs and counties) so the whole season might be wrote off and start afresh next year - Which would be the correct thing to do...it's only a pastime/hobby at the end of the day, its not even remotely important until people can start going back to work, schools can reopen and people can stand within 2 meters of each other

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1720 - 19/03/2020 09:44:26    2274079

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I heard today at the club match that the county team was officially close to players coming in since May this stopping Mc Vitty and Moynagh returning , this couldn't possibly be true could it ?

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 19/07/2020 21:40:27    2284556

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Replying To goonie:  "I heard today at the club match that the county team was officially close to players coming in since May this stopping Mc Vitty and Moynagh returning , this couldn't possibly be true could it ?"
Complete and utter fabrication. Mickey has always said it is open to players.
Moynagh did an interview with Colm Parkinson on the GAA Hour podcast during lockdown. He didn't sound in any rush home, and it didn't sound like McVeety was either.
In fact, Moynagh said he loved the lifestyle on that side of the globe and missing football was the only thing would probably bring him home.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 19/07/2020 22:27:51    2284572

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3 hours to throw in and still no team named. No mention of even the game on the County Board social media since yesterday. Looks like the rumours that the panel is going to be hugely depleted are true.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 18/10/2020 10:47:59    2298653

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Replying To Breffnisbest:  "The winners of Armagh and Roscommon will be promoted even if they are beaten in their final game."
not strictly true but probable.
if we beat roscommon , Armagh beat Clare and Westmeath beat Kildare, it will go to score difference.
We need a set of improbable results to get promoted. The chances of us being relegated are greater than being promoted. So I think another season in div 2 would not be so bad sn outcome.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 18/10/2020 16:57:25    2298799

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