Is it time for mattie to go?

One difference i can see from the last 2 years is

Under Terry Hyland, we played defensive but we played it very well.

Under matt, we play defensive but we play it very badly now.

I do think our next manager should be a cavan native. Any ideas?

If it was on the table, I would go for a joint management of peter Reilly and Terry Hyland!!

.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 01/07/2018 05:55:51    2117048

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 01/07/2018 09:17:21    2117064

I would have strongly backed Mattie's appointment because he was showing great promise as a manager in the club scene. The decision was a good one at the time given the candidates available (remember Banty??)
It has indeed turned out to be very disappointing and while there is no place for vitriol toward men who made an honest effort, the time has come to change-again.
where to now? McGleenan did what all bar one Cavan manager has done in the last 50 years. A similar appointment will do no different. It is time to go for broke and get a heavyweight manager to match our heavyweight tradition.
Jim McGuinness for Cavan.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 01/07/2018 09:22:35    2117067

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 01/07/2018 09:35:08    2117070

Mattie is still the manager and has a contract to next year. Unless there's some major upheaval with the players then he'll probably see out his contract. It's hard to know what the players may be thinking and even harder to gauge what goes through his head. His team selections and substitutions continue to baffle. At this stage if the players are happy to stick with him then I'd give him another year. Terry sensed in 2016 that all players weren't fully behind him and had the common sense to walk. You get the feeling that is something Mattie would never do so maybe a player meeting might be needed.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 01/07/2018 10:10:43    2117087

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 01/07/2018 10:28:56    2117097

Cavan simply are not good enough as a team. 1 or 2 good players but Cavan are an mid division 2 or top division 3 team. Supporters cannot continue to blame management. Cavan football will find its level and supporters should go out and enjoy what success that level brings.

Farney1977 (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 01/07/2018 11:04:48    2117112

"Jason has done nothing anyone could not have done with the gales". Except for their previous couple of managers

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 01/07/2018 11:16:28    2117121

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 01/07/2018 11:33:34    2117130

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 01/07/2018 11:35:35    2117131

In a word....Yes Mattie must go. Hes not up to the challenge. He lost a backroom team and a number of players from last years squad and i know for a fact some of the players there now are not convinced in his abilities. Hes out of his debt.

As replacements go, i have no idea. Terrys teams were more organised but i cant see us going back there. Some here are saying Jayo....its hard to know....he done well with the Gaels but they should be dominating club football in Cavan. Remember Mattie game from managing a club side in Monaghan that arguably underachieved. Mickey Graham possibly......Mullineachta sounds like they should be a junior club due to size and numbers etc (i mean no disrespect to them, Im saying that as an observation)

Some sort of review needs to be conducted....why are players not in the squad.....why did last years backroom team leave, and IMO more importantly, what are teams like Monaghan doing to keep top players togging out year in year out

Cavan-Hero (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 01/07/2018 11:43:29    2117133

Farney1977 (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 01/07/2018 11:50:01    2117135

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 01/07/2018 12:00:31    2117141

Farney1977 (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 01/07/2018 12:15:41    2117149

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 01/07/2018 12:40:57    2117162

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 01/07/2018 12:50:07    2117166

I expect that the current occupant will remain in position next year unless the players look for a change. Our departure from this year's Championship was no better or worse than those of the past four years. Indeed losing by 3 points to Tyrone is probably a better show than the exists post 2013:

2017 Tipp
2016 Derry
2015 Roscommon
2014 Roscommon

The current manage has failed to put the heart and aggression into the team that Coleman achieved back in 2004. Systems are all good and well but unless you play with intensity and commitment you are at nothing. He has one year left on his contract so hopefully his final year in charge will be his best. However, for this to be the case he needs to find some new talent in key areas of the field.

To those players who committed to the cause in 2018 a big thank you. Promotion back to Division 1 was achieved against all the odds. McVetty showed that he can mix it with the best and McKiernan showed over the past couple of games that he can be a major play for us over the next couple of years.

Lets hope that 2019 shows a marked improvement in performance during the summer months. The aim, I know Sean O' Rinn won't agree with this, is to be at your peak for the Ulster Championship and not the National League. Apart from McKiernan, who was rested for most of the League, how many other players played better as the year progressed?

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 01/07/2018 12:56:56    2117167

This defensive Sh@@e has been drill into this current bunch of players this past6/7 years and it's going to be very difficult to change the mindset of these players.
Last night we brought on a big full forward at half time and failed to kick the ball into him once.
The one time we let the ball into the square MReilly scored a fisted goal ( that was the only forward pass he made all evening)
Johnston playing between the 2 45s giving 5 yard passes to Mackey who had no one inside to kick it into didn't make sense.
The only time Johnston crossed the opposing 45 he kicked a fine point.No point in playing a 34 yr old so deep. Should have played him and C o Reilly in both corners with Cole on the edge of the square and kick the ball into to them. Then Moab when they squandered chances .
We got turned over time and time again. Something that's been happening for 7 years now, bringing the ball into the tackle going forward and losing it.
All these problems have been long term but I must say last nights performance was the pits . Worst ive ever seen. No heart, no fight, no tackle . Don't think we even won a free in Tyrone's half in the first half.
There more that Mattie needs to go. Most of that team not up to county standard. Mistakes do happen but making the same mistakes for 6/7 years isn't acceptable .
Clear out all round badly needed.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 01/07/2018 13:09:11    2117171

Promotion will have earned Mattie McGleenan another year. It wasn't a stellar Division 2, but promotion was achieved. Next years Division 2 will have Kildare, Donegal, Armagh,.

There will probaly be another turnover of players for 2019.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 01/07/2018 13:25:40    2117177

Anyone suggesting the likes of Jim Mcguinness, Stephen Rochford or James Horan need to come back down to planet earth, these guys are way too smart to take over a thankless job of managing a county with high expectations but few elite players and a dysfunctional club scene.

I hold my hands up and say that I thought mcgleenan looked a very promising appointment but he has turned out to be fool's gold. I recall a monaghan poster suggesting that it would only be a good appointment if Colin Mcaree followed him from Scotstown, this didn't happen, he joined the monaghan backroom instead.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 01/07/2018 13:45:06    2117180