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When was the last time (if ever) that Shercock played Kingscourt in a SFC match?
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1121 - 22/08/2018 23:40:53
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Replying To royalass: "Talking to the lads at work Drumlane would be slight favourites, followed by Denn and Killinkere. Where should my money go$$$???" Drumlane did beat denn already, but I still think denn can do it, that's just my opinion.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 23/08/2018 08:29:10
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Replying To blueman1903: "Drumlane did beat denn already, but I still think denn can do it, that's just my opinion." Trying to judge games for this weekend, I think kildallan will beat drumlane but it will be too little too late if the quarter finals are being decided on score difference, killinkere to beat knockbride, templeport to beat Corlough, mountnugent to beat drung, denn to beat kill, Drumalee to beat the munchies and Shannon Gaels to beat maghera.
If these results were to happen i think the quarter final games would look like this...
Killinkere v Templeport
Mountnugent v Knockbride
Drumlane v Shannon Gaels
Drumalee v Denn
All presumptions of course and anything can happen in championship.
Westcavan5 (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 23/08/2018 11:14:21
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My predictions for this weekend:
Drung v Mountnugent : Mountnugent to keep their freescoring form going in this one, Drung have been poor this championship. Mountnugent by 6.
Drumlane v Kildallon : Kildallon have been very unlucky with the draw this year. They have beaten Drumlane already this year but don't think they'll come out on top again. Drumlane by 3.
Corlough v Templeport : Hard to see Corlough picking themselves up after last weekend. Templeport should get through this with ease. Templeport by 35
Shannon Gaels v Maghera : Shannon Gaels be glad of the draw after getting two of the favourites. Big win for Shannon Gaels exprcted. Shannon Gaels by 25.
Denn v Kill : Expect Denn to come through this. Kill had a good win last weekend against Templeport. Denn by 9.
Kilinkere v knockbride : Good game expected, we will see how good knockbride are here. Kilinkere are looking good though. Kilinkere by 4.
Drumalee v Munterconnacht : Good recovery after first round defeat from Drumalee. Drumlaee by 7.
gaelicfooty15 (Cavan) - Posts: 242 - 23/08/2018 12:03:12
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Drung v Mountnugent : Drung poor this year, Mountnugent hard to predict, non-event the last day has them well placed for Q Finals, beat munchies too so far ...look like a team that can score but cant defend, will have enough here ...Mountnugent by 4
Drumlane v Kildallon : this will be close enough I think, Kildallon have prob had the hardest draw in the comp and beat knockbride last time out... Drumlane by 2
Corlough v Templeport : Well what to say.... Templeport not as good as Mountnugent, Corlough to fare a little better..... Templeport by 18
Shannon Gaels v Maghera : like above ...Shannon gaels a draw of 2 halves, went close to Drumlane and Kilinkere all the same...will flog here and bow out..... Shannon gaels by 21
Denn v Kill : Kill poor enough, Denn better if not great,...Denn by 7
Kilinkere v knockbride : good marker for both here, are Knockbride contenders at all? are Kilinkere favs for champ?....Kilinkere by 3
Drumalee v Munterconnacht : cant predict Drumalee, feel they are poor enough, will Munchies have a final sting?.....Munterconnaght by 2
Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 65 - 23/08/2018 14:06:51
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Replying To 2DoorCinemaClub: "A poster on this site recently said "Youd want to learn the history of football in the parish of lurgan before you make ignorant comments like that. Virginia blues agreed to change name and colours to Ramor united in order to unite whole parish in 1976 (lurgan virginia & maghera). This was in full agreement with the people of maghera apart from the few families who refused to give up maghera after all was agreed. Thats their choice fair play to them .... but dont blame the families who choose to unite not divide"
So let's talk about the facts and decisions that were made that had a long reaching effect on football in the parish of Lurgan for over 40 years.
You wouldn't think it now some 40 years later, but the clubs in the Lurgan parish are victims of their own success. In 1971, the Maghera McFinns, Lurgan GFC and Virginia Blues amalgamated for the senior championship under the name Ramor Utd. The east Cavan parish was going through a rich period in its footballing history with cups aplenty returning to the parish year after year. The MacFinns won the Junior championship in 1973, and then went on to win the Intermediate championship the following year 1974, pushing them into the senior grade for 1975. And in 1975, the Virginia Blues club then won the Intermediate championship, pushing them to senior for 1976. But this victory had a devastating effect on the parish, the ripples of which are still felt today.
On top of the MacFinns intermediate victory in 1974, the Ramor Utd amalgamation also won the senior championship for the first time. With two extremely strong intermediate teams in the parish at the time, this team was made up of men who were legends in both clubs, many who went on to represent their county. But the following year, when Virginia Blues won the intermediate, it was determined by the Co Board, that two senior clubs couldn't enter an amalgamation into the senior championship in 1976. They would either have to amalgamate as one club, or both clubs would have to stand on their own two feet.
The Ramor Utd wiki page says "A well-attended meeting in the courthouse in Virginia in 1976, under the chairmanship of County Board Chairman, Paddy C Donoghue, saw the very large enthusiastic crowd from all corners of the parish favouring a more permanent alliance, namely Ramor United GFC, as a single parish club". However, speaking to people from both sides around that time, this is far from true.
I've been told that the Maghera MacFinns met first to discuss the situation. It was felt that whereas the amalgamation had served a purpose to get their players senior football, they were now a senior team in their own right, and a number of members wanted to continue as the MacFinns. And why not? They were an old and proud club with a great history. And some players felt that joining the amalgamation would see a number of emerging senior footballers who had come through the ranks from junior to senior lose out in an amalgamated team.
But there was number of members who felt that uniting the parish was visionary. They looked to the future and seen championship after championship raining down on Lurgan, given the quality of player living in the parish.
Now hindsight is an amazing thing. And if the members of the Maghera MacFinns GFC could've foreseen the consequences of their actions on that fateful Sunday evening in 1976, maybe things would've been different. But they decided on a vote, and urban legend has it that the club was split evenly in two, 50% for and 50% against the amalgamation. That was until a lone member arrived late and tipped the balance in the favour of amalgamating the clubs, by one single vote. Now legend has it that this lone voter was briefed outside before he entered the dressing rooms, and was ill advised on how the finely balanced the vote actually was. But that is mere hearsay and I can't confirm or deny that this actually happened!
What happened next is well documented. Those who voted to remain, camped themselves in Pairc MacFinn and said they were going nowhere. They said the vote was invalid and that a single vote didn't represent the majority view of the club members (this all sounds very familiar!). They didn't want to just walk away from their home club. But the Co Board ploughed ahead and chaired a meeting in Virginia Courthouse in 1976, and declared Ramor Utd as the parish team in the senior championship.
A number of Maghera players played with Ramor in 1976, and the Maghera MacFinns club fell apart. The players that didn't want to play with Ramor all moved on, and clubs like Ballyhaise, Mountnugent and even a number of neighbouring clubs in Co Meath benefitted as players transferred rather than play with a depleted club. The MacFinns lost 14 of the starting 15 from the 1974 intermediate team. But the following year the MacFinns pulled together a team for the junior championship and started their journey all over again. A journey that continues today.
So please don't paint this as something that everyone wanted, a simple decision that was hijacked by a few from a renegade club. I don't agree there was "full agreement" from the Maghera MacFinns for a "united" parish club. And I wouldn't agree that "99%" of the people in the parish agreed to what went on. History shows a Co Board enforcing a rule, and that rule having a serious knock on effect for both Ramor Utd and the Maghera MacFinns for years to come. And those "few families that refused to give up Maghera", well good on them. This wasn't a failing club or a club at its lowest ebb in 1976. This was a senior club at its height, knocked down by bureaucracy and bad decision making. And I don't believe that the Virginia Blues players from that time all rowed in behind this decision either. It wouldn't make sense as a fringe player on a senior team to welcome with open arms a player from a different club, who was about to steal your place, no matter how much of a visionary you were!" Great piece of romantic fiction, the urban legends or rumors don't need to be consulted on this, most of the people who were instrumental in the uniting of the 3 clubs in the parish of Lurgan at the time are still alive, go and consult them about the facts first.
BreffniBlue (Cavan) - Posts: 278 - 23/08/2018 14:15:24
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Replying To Westcavan5: "Trying to judge games for this weekend, I think kildallan will beat drumlane but it will be too little too late if the quarter finals are being decided on score difference, killinkere to beat knockbride, templeport to beat Corlough, mountnugent to beat drung, denn to beat kill, Drumalee to beat the munchies and Shannon Gaels to beat maghera.
If these results were to happen i think the quarter final games would look like this...
Killinkere v Templeport
Mountnugent v Knockbride
Drumlane v Shannon Gaels
Drumalee v Denn
All presumptions of course and anything can happen in championship." Would it be fair to say if them Quarter-Finals panned out they way you say that at least 7 of them (bar Templeport) teams would believe they could go on to win it out? If Kildallan did manage to get thru then you could make a case for all 8. I think it's great for Junior football in Cavan, was never really a huge follower of Junior football but this year it has really interested me.
Also on a side note, I reckon all 3 Championships are wide open. It makes for great viewing!
GAAhead2017 (Cavan) - Posts: 82 - 23/08/2018 14:20:26
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Replying To GAAhead2017: "Would it be fair to say if them Quarter-Finals panned out they way you say that at least 7 of them (bar Templeport) teams would believe they could go on to win it out? If Kildallan did manage to get thru then you could make a case for all 8. I think it's great for Junior football in Cavan, was never really a huge follower of Junior football but this year it has really interested me.
Also on a side note, I reckon all 3 Championships are wide open. It makes for great viewing!" Although i think theyll beat drumlane I can't see Kildallan getting through as score difference completely out of their favour. They've been going poorly this championship and I don't think they'd have a say even if they do get into quarter final.
But yes I agree 7 of those teams will see themselves of having a chance, killinkere seem to be the outright favourites. Shannon gaels my dark dark horses, drumlane although they have 3 wins from 3 haven't set the world alight and will miss connolly as the championship wears on. Denn although they lost at the weekend are more than capable of winning it also and it's maybe a year too soon for knockbride. Drumalee possibly not at same level they were at last year but will be hard beat.
Westcavan5 (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 23/08/2018 16:11:26
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Replying To BreffniBlue: "Great piece of romantic fiction, the urban legends or rumors don't need to be consulted on this, most of the people who were instrumental in the uniting of the 3 clubs in the parish of Lurgan at the time are still alive, go and consult them about the facts first." But the three clubs aren't united Breff. So why don't you tell us what really happened?
Are the facts not as follows: two senior clubs couldn't amalgamate to play senior championship, so the options were to leave it as they were or form one club. I don't know how the Virginia Blues decided what to do, but I do know that the MacFinns voted by a slim majority to amalgamate. But a percentage of the club members were unhappy with this decision, and they eventually reformed as the MacFinns and continued on their merry way.
You seem hung up on the families you claim are "dividing" the parish. My view is that those that wanted to remain as a single entity club were completely right to be unhappy with the situation. Maghera was a senior club, at its peak. There was no need to amalgamate the parish at that point. I could see the point in later years when either club was going through a tough time. But 1976 both clubs were senior and were competitive. There was no need to amalgamate.
You also have to look at the situation now and wonder was it really worth it? Ramor Utd have won two titles in that 40 year period, and its safe to say the MacFinns have a long road ahead of them to get back to the heady heights of 1973 and '74. So I stand by my opinion, backed up by the facts of the last 40 years. Its not romantic fiction, or anything like it. I think the decision to amalgamate in 1976 was a bad one, and the clubs should've been left well enough alone. The Co board should never have approved an amalgamation when there wasn't a majority buy in from both clubs. And by majority I mean a decent majority, not a vote or two in the difference. The Co Boards place is to facilitate and advise, and they should've stepped in when the Maghera club split. It has caused endless bitterness and rows for years, and as rightly stated earlier on this thread, its torture seeing the lads that live across the road from one pitch, walk passed the gate to play with another team.
2DoorCinemaClub (Cavan) - Posts: 3 - 23/08/2018 16:50:00
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Replying To Westcavan5: "Although i think theyll beat drumlane I can't see Kildallan getting through as score difference completely out of their favour. They've been going poorly this championship and I don't think they'd have a say even if they do get into quarter final.
But yes I agree 7 of those teams will see themselves of having a chance, killinkere seem to be the outright favourites. Shannon gaels my dark dark horses, drumlane although they have 3 wins from 3 haven't set the world alight and will miss connolly as the championship wears on. Denn although they lost at the weekend are more than capable of winning it also and it's maybe a year too soon for knockbride. Drumalee possibly not at same level they were at last year but will be hard beat." I agree with most of your post. I think Shannon Gaels could well be a dark horse, not because they haven't done well in the Junior Championship over the years, (I think they've made 3 or 4 Semi-Finals in the last 5 years) but because of the stronger teams in it this year. Had they got a kinder draw they could certainly already be into the Quarters. They have a fantastic starting 15. If I had a free €20 bet on the winners at this point, I would put it on Killenkere. Although, I feel like there is 1 or 2 surprises yet to come. Best of luck to all clubs this weekend.
GAAhead2017 (Cavan) - Posts: 82 - 23/08/2018 18:09:20
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Knockbride not making the quarter finals is a huge surprise. Only 9 points against Killinkere as well.
StayDownKing (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 26/08/2018 08:26:08
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Replying To Westcavan5: "Trying to judge games for this weekend, I think kildallan will beat drumlane but it will be too little too late if the quarter finals are being decided on score difference, killinkere to beat knockbride, templeport to beat Corlough, mountnugent to beat drung, denn to beat kill, Drumalee to beat the munchies and Shannon Gaels to beat maghera.
If these results were to happen i think the quarter final games would look like this...
Killinkere v Templeport
Mountnugent v Knockbride
Drumlane v Shannon Gaels
Drumalee v Denn
All presumptions of course and anything can happen in championship." My permutations not 100% accurate but not that far off. Very surprised to see knockbride gone. Killinkere looking unstoppable, drumlane looking very good too, Tubman coming of age since Connolly got injured. Denn very unimpressive so far, they have a lot of work to do to if they're to beat Shannon gaels. Mountnugent racking up scores nicely, of course under the watchful eye of Martin Dunne that's hardly a surprise. On a side note was anyone at the Corlough Templeport game ? Seems like they had two different teams out this week and last week ? I heard it was even closer than the scoreline suggests? Was last week a blip for the corlough club ? With regards the intermediate championship, swad look in trouble and could be a junior team in 2019, was at the arva game aswell, they could very well go all the way. Some fine footballers on that side and they know how to win championships. Butlersbridge with the potential to knock a favourite out on their day. I think redhills belturbet will be the pick of the games today.
Westcavan5 (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 26/08/2018 10:02:30
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Replying To Westcavan5: "My permutations not 100% accurate but not that far off. Very surprised to see knockbride gone. Killinkere looking unstoppable, drumlane looking very good too, Tubman coming of age since Connolly got injured. Denn very unimpressive so far, they have a lot of work to do to if they're to beat Shannon gaels. Mountnugent racking up scores nicely, of course under the watchful eye of Martin Dunne that's hardly a surprise. On a side note was anyone at the Corlough Templeport game ? Seems like they had two different teams out this week and last week ? I heard it was even closer than the scoreline suggests? Was last week a blip for the corlough club ? With regards the intermediate championship, swad look in trouble and could be a junior team in 2019, was at the arva game aswell, they could very well go all the way. Some fine footballers on that side and they know how to win championships. Butlersbridge with the potential to knock a favourite out on their day. I think redhills belturbet will be the pick of the games today." Knockbride lost out on the score differences. Five teams had 4 points.
Team Pld Won Draw Lost For Agst Diff Points
Killinkere 4 4 0 0 108 59 49 8
Drumlane 4 4 0 0 80 43 37 8
Mountnugent 4 3 0 1 128 75 53 6
Denn 4 3 0 1 76 55 21 6
Shannon Gaels 4 2 0 2 83 52 31 4
Drumalee 4 2 0 2 74 49 25 4
Templeport 4 2 0 2 68 66 2 4
Munterconnaught 4 2 0 2 70 70 0 4
Knockbride 4 2 0 2 51 66 -15 4
Kildallan 4 1 0 3 59 76 -17 2
Kill 4 1 0 3 62 83 -21 2
Drung 4 1 0 3 57 83 -26 2
Corlough 4 1 0 3 54 113 -59 2
Maghera 4 0 0 4 38 118 -80 0
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 26/08/2018 12:19:23
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "When was the last time (if ever) that Shercock played Kingscourt in a SFC match?" Does anyone find it abit strange the way that all the draws are been done for the championship. they use to be done in the past in front of the stand /crowd at half time during the match. now they are been doen behind locked doors in club grounds.
Look at the draw for the current round of the senior championship
Castlerahan V Ramor
Kingscourt V Shercocok
Ballinagh V Crosserlough
Killygarry V Lavey
Four local derbies. What are the odds in that coming up.
Look at the intermediate
Redhills V Belturbet
Cornafean V Killeshandra
Ballymahugh V Mullahoran.
Also the drawfor the senior was done on last Sunday evening 19th yet the dates for the fixtures have not been made until tonight. Yet again players who will have to go back to work on Monday morning to look for time of from tehir employers for Friday night matches. There is no consideration been given to players
evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 26/08/2018 13:12:28
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Replying To Jimjo: "Drung v Mountnugent : Drung poor this year, Mountnugent hard to predict, non-event the last day has them well placed for Q Finals, beat munchies too so far ...look like a team that can score but cant defend, will have enough here ...Mountnugent by 4
Drumlane v Kildallon : this will be close enough I think, Kildallon have prob had the hardest draw in the comp and beat knockbride last time out... Drumlane by 2
Corlough v Templeport : Well what to say.... Templeport not as good as Mountnugent, Corlough to fare a little better..... Templeport by 18
Shannon Gaels v Maghera : like above ...Shannon gaels a draw of 2 halves, went close to Drumlane and Kilinkere all the same...will flog here and bow out..... Shannon gaels by 21
Denn v Kill : Kill poor enough, Denn better if not great,...Denn by 7
Kilinkere v knockbride : good marker for both here, are Knockbride contenders at all? are Kilinkere favs for champ?....Kilinkere by 3
Drumalee v Munterconnacht : cant predict Drumalee, feel they are poor enough, will Munchies have a final sting?.....Munterconnaght by 2" well...got all predictions right... scores a little off
Mountnugent by 4 ...was Mountnugent by 9
Drumlane by 2.....was Drumlane by 5
Templeport by 18 ...was Templeport by 7
Shannon gaels by 21 ...was Shannon Gaels by 27
Denn by 7...was Denn by 1
Kilinkere by 3...was Kilinkere by 14
Munterconnaght by 2 ... was Munterconnaught by 1
Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 65 - 27/08/2018 09:18:16
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How does everyone see this weekends senior games going? Some great ties, my predictions below.
Ramor vs Castlerahan- tie of the weekend and probably at least one will make the final. Too close to call so I'm going to go for a draw.
Gowna vs Gaels- Must win for the Gaels you would think. Gowna showed well against Ballinagh but questions asked now as to how good Ballinagh really were. Gaels by 6 I reckon.
Kingscourt Vs Shercock- While they might not be team they were I think Kingscourt will have enough to beat their neighbours. Kingscourt by 5
Crosserlough vs Ballinagh- Thought Crosserlough would've beaten Cootehill but I reckon they'll have enough to beat a poor Ballinagh team who may be facing the drop. Crosserlough by 3
Kilygarry vs Lavey- Two teams with a win and a loss. Think this will be tight but perhaps Kilygarry to edge it by 1 or 2
Lacken Vs Cootehill- Lacken have started reasonably well and will probably be favourites here but Cootehill will not be easily bet at all. Lacken by 2
westcavankid (Cavan) - Posts: 83 - 27/08/2018 16:29:24
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Bit of a shock in the Junior at the weekend with Knockbride going out. Even though I wasn't expecting them to win it, I thought they would go close. The score difference rule is quite cruel with Maghera & Corlough involved but I suppose all teams know the situation before they start and have 4 games to make the top 8 so cant have any complaints really.
What is the story with Ryan Connolly and TED? Are both out for the remainder of the c'ship? I don't think either team will beat Killinkere without them lads at full fitness.
Although Denn's results don't really look too promising regardless.
I would make Killinkere my favourites following by Drumlane with Connolly. Probably Shannon Gaels 2nd Fav's if Drumlane are without Connolly. Denn in 4th spot as the last potential challenger.
Mountnugent and Drumalee can probably trouble the big 4, maybe even the other 2 can as well but I don't think any of them have a squad capable of winning it.
Intermediate looks more competitive than first thought. Big shock with an ageing Drumgoon team beating Ballyhaise. I think that says more about Ballyhaise than it does about Drumgoon though. The top 4 are still the top 4 and worthy favourites but I think Redhills, Belturbet and maybe even Butlersbridge can challenge them as well now. Wide open.
Senior also very competitive and I would expect more shocks in the last two games. Ramor would be my tentative selection as the winner at the moment but if placing a bet I think Killygarry at 14/1 is much better with Ramor and C'rahan at 3/1 & Gaels @5/2. That's a massive gap for the difference between Killygarry and the top 3. Especially when Conor Smith has looked the top forward in the county so far this year.
PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 27/08/2018 17:02:06
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I though a team couldn't be knocked out of championship due to scoring difference as clubs have all played different teams.
RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 27/08/2018 17:35:51
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Replying To RHF: "I though a team couldn't be knocked out of championship due to scoring difference as clubs have all played different teams." It depends on what Liam MCCabe says. He's the Man
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 27/08/2018 19:12:19
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Replying To RHF: "I though a team couldn't be knocked out of championship due to scoring difference as clubs have all played different teams." There was controversy over this last year maybe? Think there was playoffs.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 28/08/2018 13:35:04
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