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Replying To seanorinn:  "I know everybody is on young Clerkins back but surely Mattie should have him out of the side at this stage as 1pt in 9 starts is simply not good enough...

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts:202 - 26/06/2017 21:01:24 200602

Take in the statt's what is his work rate does he never get the ball if yes does he lay it of lose it or what. That lad must be doing something right for the management to be persisting with him. To be honest questions need to be asked about more players but no one is asking I wonder why. Look I don't care what anyone say's we played a junior team that were unlucky not to beat Westmeath and look at what Dublin did to Westmeath. If Cavan could not beat Offaly we would have been the laughing stock of the Country now here I see posters saying Cavan V Tipp is a 50-50 game. Cavan should hammer Tipp and not struggle to beat them.
Come on let's be honest if we think we have a divine right to be in division 1 well we should not be worried about the likes of Tipp Offaly Westmeath Waterford Clare Wexford Leitrim Sligo Limerick Fermanagh the list can go on ect. Select our best team and we will win no problems if we lose some serious questions will have to be asked off everyone from the players right up the ladder."
I agree, no rear. This team needs to get more rootless

McGiolla (Cavan) - Posts: 42 - 27/06/2017 10:27:19    2006180

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We will struggle to beat Tipperary wait and see.
If we beat them il put it down as Matties best result since he took over.
But I see our back line having serious problems with their forwards.
Tipperary are way overpriced as are Leitrim against Carlow with Brendan Murphy.
Westmeath will also take care of Armagh.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 27/06/2017 10:39:09    2006189

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I am worried about this one. I think Quinlivan got a bad injury and definitely came off on a stretcher but not sure if it was a cruciate or not. He is a fantastic player and would take some watching but, to be fair to our back line, not many have run riot against us this year. Killian Clarke and Rory Dunne have done very well - credit where credit is due. Having watched Tipp last year, id be really worried about midfield and I wonder if we can hold our own there. We will need McVeety even fitter and a similar tally from Gearoid.

The most glaring issue we have is that our forwards aren't scoring. We need somone who can step up. I think McVeety can be the man but it needs to come soon. If we are relying on free's and half backs to score against Tipp it won't be enough. I see this as a good draw in that they will provide a good test and if we win we may well gain some positive momentum and move forward with a confidence which was clearly lacking in the closing stages on Sunday evening!

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 27/06/2017 11:07:04    2006207

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Replying To seanorinn:  "I know everybody is on young Clerkins back but surely Mattie should have him out of the side at this stage as 1pt in 9 starts is simply not good enough...

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts:202 - 26/06/2017 21:01:24 200602

Take in the statt's what is his work rate does he never get the ball if yes does he lay it of lose it or what. That lad must be doing something right for the management to be persisting with him. To be honest questions need to be asked about more players but no one is asking I wonder why. Look I don't care what anyone say's we played a junior team that were unlucky not to beat Westmeath and look at what Dublin did to Westmeath. If Cavan could not beat Offaly we would have been the laughing stock of the Country now here I see posters saying Cavan V Tipp is a 50-50 game. Cavan should hammer Tipp and not struggle to beat them.
Come on let's be honest if we think we have a divine right to be in division 1 well we should not be worried about the likes of Tipp Offaly Westmeath Waterford Clare Wexford Leitrim Sligo Limerick Fermanagh the list can go on ect. Select our best team and we will win no problems if we lose some serious questions will have to be asked off everyone from the players right up the ladder."
100% Sean, this cavan team need to get ruthless and play with intensity, they could do it in bursts against Offaly. Need to keep the foot down. Or there football days will pass them and have done nothing.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 27/06/2017 11:09:21    2006212

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Replying To seanorinn:  "I know everybody is on young Clerkins back but surely Mattie should have him out of the side at this stage as 1pt in 9 starts is simply not good enough...

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts:202 - 26/06/2017 21:01:24 200602

Take in the statt's what is his work rate does he never get the ball if yes does he lay it of lose it or what. That lad must be doing something right for the management to be persisting with him. To be honest questions need to be asked about more players but no one is asking I wonder why. Look I don't care what anyone say's we played a junior team that were unlucky not to beat Westmeath and look at what Dublin did to Westmeath. If Cavan could not beat Offaly we would have been the laughing stock of the Country now here I see posters saying Cavan V Tipp is a 50-50 game. Cavan should hammer Tipp and not struggle to beat them.
Come on let's be honest if we think we have a divine right to be in division 1 well we should not be worried about the likes of Tipp Offaly Westmeath Waterford Clare Wexford Leitrim Sligo Limerick Fermanagh the list can go on ect. Select our best team and we will win no problems if we lose some serious questions will have to be asked off everyone from the players right up the ladder."
So you are comparing Tipp to the likes of Ofally,Leitrim,Waterford etc. That is being downright disrespectful. They reached an all-Ireland semi-final last year which we haven't done since 1997. They will play in the same division as us next year. they only lost to Cork by a point after losing their main man on 19 minutes. They have some great players at their disposal despite losing so many to injury and other reasons. If you think we should be "hammering" them you are sadly mistaken. They beat Derry last year who beat us. It is a 50/50 game.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 27/06/2017 15:04:08    2006353

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Replying To s goldrick:  "So you are comparing Tipp to the likes of Ofally,Leitrim,Waterford etc. That is being downright disrespectful. They reached an all-Ireland semi-final last year which we haven't done since 1997. They will play in the same division as us next year. they only lost to Cork by a point after losing their main man on 19 minutes. They have some great players at their disposal despite losing so many to injury and other reasons. If you think we should be "hammering" them you are sadly mistaken. They beat Derry last year who beat us. It is a 50/50 game."
We should have beaten Derry only f Flanagan went and got himself sent off before halftime, and Derry and Tipp was a very tight game, a point in it. And yes if we want to do anything we have to be winning these games, good job your not the manager, no lads we won't win this game because the beat a team by a point that beat you by a point last year, pack up and give up for the year

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 27/06/2017 15:46:08    2006369

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only heard the game so looking for the opinions of people who where at the game .
was mattie right o remove Johnston so early. I am in full support of making early decisions but it sounded like he was getting on the ball

toolbox (None) - Posts: 68 - 27/06/2017 16:11:38    2006385

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I thought Johnson was havin one of his better games so couldn't understand his removal. Surprised at Injured Mc Enroe and Clarke played, obvious neither one fit enough to play. Reilly also looks injured. The replacement of Moynagh needed to happen, don't think Murray made much difference there two very similar players.
Mackey is our brightest hope at the min. Tipp will be difficult. We need defenders who are fast and who can and will tackle. Up front don't know where the scores will come from. We have lost a sight of players and those left are not lookin sharp.
This is a must win game. To go out now with such a bad season I think a lot of the progress of the last 6 years has been seriously set back.

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 27/06/2017 16:28:27    2006394

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Replying To toolbox:  "only heard the game so looking for the opinions of people who where at the game .
was mattie right o remove Johnston so early. I am in full support of making early decisions but it sounded like he was getting on the ball"
Yeah was right. Was getting on ball because he came out field and got on handy ball and layed of but contributed nothing in his actual position. Maybe Clerkin should have being of before him though.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 27/06/2017 16:30:17    2006395

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Replying To shannon414:  "I thought Johnson was havin one of his better games so couldn't understand his removal. Surprised at Injured Mc Enroe and Clarke played, obvious neither one fit enough to play. Reilly also looks injured. The replacement of Moynagh needed to happen, don't think Murray made much difference there two very similar players.
Mackey is our brightest hope at the min. Tipp will be difficult. We need defenders who are fast and who can and will tackle. Up front don't know where the scores will come from. We have lost a sight of players and those left are not lookin sharp.
This is a must win game. To go out now with such a bad season I think a lot of the progress of the last 6 years has been seriously set back."
He was standing in midfield watching Offaly players sprint past him. How you think he had a good game is beyond me. Now in his defence, why was he asked to stand out in midfield in the 1st place. He either plays 20 meters and closer from opposition posts or not at all. Removal of moynagh was stranger.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 27/06/2017 18:36:54    2006449

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Replying To fredflint:  "He was standing in midfield watching Offaly players sprint past him. How you think he had a good game is beyond me. Now in his defence, why was he asked to stand out in midfield in the 1st place. He either plays 20 meters and closer from opposition posts or not at all. Removal of moynagh was stranger."
When there a negative comment on Johnston to be made you can be sure Fredflint will be right in there having a go like his been doin since Seanie returned.
And that's the Fredflint that said SH would never play for Cavan again...
Bring back the defensive messiah I say Fredflint!

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 27/06/2017 19:04:15    2006462

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Replying To fredflint:  "He was standing in midfield watching Offaly players sprint past him. How you think he had a good game is beyond me. Now in his defence, why was he asked to stand out in midfield in the 1st place. He either plays 20 meters and closer from opposition posts or not at all. Removal of moynagh was stranger."
Moynagh was taking off after the yellow card.He scored a nice point but wasn't playing particularly good. Centre back isn't his position, we never found anyone to replace toasty there. I think his best posistion would be starting at half forward and givin the roaming role to be the link man between backs and forwards similar to what he was doing with the U21s with great success, I think that's what Mattie is trying to get Clerkin to do but I don't think he is just strong enough yet to do that, Faulkner is the ideal person for Centre back just as Mc Kieranan is perfect for Centre forward. Probably with a bit of tweaking to posistion in the team I think we would be more of a treat going forward .

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 27/06/2017 19:18:36    2006471

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Who is our best Center half-back? This is a very important position. He must be strong and mobile.
I feel that if we had a good strong spine up the middle with speedy wing backs and forwards we could go places (as would any team).

Goalkeeper - Galligan.
Full Back --- Clarke or Dunne.
Center Half-back - not sure who our best is?? Maybe Faulkner.
Midfield -- Corr and Buchanan for me.
Forty - Mc Kiernan
Full forward - Mc Dermott, (Buchanan if not in midfield) or could young Galligan settle in there?

Any suggestions lads?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/06/2017 20:20:33    2006488

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "Who is our best Center half-back? This is a very important position. He must be strong and mobile.
I feel that if we had a good strong spine up the middle with speedy wing backs and forwards we could go places (as would any team).

Goalkeeper - Galligan.
Full Back --- Clarke or Dunne.
Center Half-back - not sure who our best is?? Maybe Faulkner.
Midfield -- Corr and Buchanan for me.
Forty - Mc Kiernan
Full forward - Mc Dermott, (Buchanan if not in midfield) or could young Galligan settle in there?

Any suggestions lads?"
That midfield is not mobile at all.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 27/06/2017 20:25:07    2006491

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "Who is our best Center half-back? This is a very important position. He must be strong and mobile.
I feel that if we had a good strong spine up the middle with speedy wing backs and forwards we could go places (as would any team).

Goalkeeper - Galligan.
Full Back --- Clarke or Dunne.
Center Half-back - not sure who our best is?? Maybe Faulkner.
Midfield -- Corr and Buchanan for me.
Forty - Mc Kiernan
Full forward - Mc Dermott, (Buchanan if not in midfield) or could young Galligan settle in there?

Any suggestions lads?"
Faulkner centre back because he can read the game . That's a must for a centre back.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 27/06/2017 20:40:37    2006505

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "Who is our best Center half-back? This is a very important position. He must be strong and mobile.
I feel that if we had a good strong spine up the middle with speedy wing backs and forwards we could go places (as would any team).

Goalkeeper - Galligan.
Full Back --- Clarke or Dunne.
Center Half-back - not sure who our best is?? Maybe Faulkner.
Midfield -- Corr and Buchanan for me.
Forty - Mc Kiernan
Full forward - Mc Dermott, (Buchanan if not in midfield) or could young Galligan settle in there?

Any suggestions lads?"
If you have Dunne for full back then Clarke can do a good job at cut back. Moynagh is better as an out and out sweeper but he is still a fine committed player. As for inandaroundthehouse, at least I didn't create a new username to get back on here. If you think Johnson played well just give an example of how. For me he hasn't done anything in two games. Not even one shot at the posts from play in either game.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 27/06/2017 20:54:38    2006513

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Replying To s goldrick:  "did quinliven not do his cruciate in the Cork game. I know he went off on a stretcher. Not wishing the lad harm at all, he is a fantastic player but I rhought it was a bad injury"
Ankle. Bruised ligaments, nothing broken, so not as bad as it initially looked. Might well be back but it will be touch and go. To me it's a 50:50 game, can't see how it could be anything else. Maybe it's a bit of the football snobbery coming out in people- Tipperary, hurling county, don't do football- but they are a big upgrade on Offaly and they have the weapons to take advantage of our wastefulness in converting dominance to the scoreboard. Look at Derry last year. We dominated for 40-50 minutes, should have been out of sight at HT but they bet us playing 10 minutes of football with McGuckin and Lynch virtually beating us on their own. We have a lot of question marks over us and while a decent side are vulnerable in many areas. We don't like strong direct forwards. We have problems at CHB and midfield and we don't have forwards guaranteed to put the points up on the scoreboard. Moynagh, to me, does not belong in the centre. Faulkner is the obvious choice but it's still another experiment at this stage going into an important championship encounter. Maybe the reports from Tipp are correct and they are in bad shape but they could just as easily be laying it on. And a decent Tipp team would be just exactly the type of team we have great difficulty in dealing with. Hopefully it clicks for us and we can get a bit of a run this year but I'm a bit nervous about this one.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 27/06/2017 22:39:42    2006587

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It's in various new media this morning, Quinlivan is definitely out with his ankle injury. Unfortunate for the lad, in fairness it would have been good to see him play. You want to see the best players on the field and try to beat the best in front of you. However, we should now be definitely winning this, now that they have lost their talisman. Looking at the other B round qualifiers, and a potential game against Ulster and Leinster provincial losers, there is definitely a quarter final in this team if they can get a run together.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 28/06/2017 08:11:48    2006637

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I don't know about any other posters but it's worrying when you see an injured player coming on and you can see other players carrying injuries on the field.
Martin Reilly definitely not himself.

Virginia (Cavan) - Posts: 101 - 28/06/2017 09:52:20    2006677

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "When there a negative comment on Johnston to be made you can be sure Fredflint will be right in there having a go like his been doin since Seanie returned.
And that's the Fredflint that said SH would never play for Cavan again...
Bring back the defensive messiah I say Fredflint!"
In Fairness he said that Seanie was being played out of position. At least he didn't hope a couple were injured so they wouldn't start. That's negative and nasty. You are a clown my man.

Silverblue (Cavan) - Posts: 10 - 28/06/2017 10:07:42    2006690

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