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When was the last time we beat a decent team in the championship? theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 12/07/2017 12:57:06 2015535 Link 0 |
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That's where you are wrong. There are instructions given out for sure on kick outs especially. There are teams who instruct certain players not to shoot too. It's not the same as when you were playing county minor
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 12/07/2017 13:59:41 2015585 Link 0 |
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Probably 2004 against Down after a replay, even at that it wasn't the biggest scalp in world. I can't recall a result in Ulster since where we really upset the odds and won a game against the head. That was 13 years ago, which is a generation of intercounty players that have not succeeded. One Ulster in 20 years tells its own story on where we are actually at. There has been no progression on Ulster results over the last number of years to suggest we will make a final again, never mind win one.
ballygowanwater (Cavan) - Posts: 207 - 12/07/2017 14:17:55 2015600 Link 0 |
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Number 1. I never played minor but I did play u21 and Senior back in the day. Number2 your missing the point. Yes there lockout instruction given but sometimes in the blink of an eye things need to change quickly hence players need to think on their feet quickly. That's the problem they don't. There might be an opportunity to go long.. or short at different times and players have to adapt to that during the course of a game without waiting for instruction from the sideline. Number 3. I doubt even in these changed times of defensive basketball/ football that any inter county player has been instructed not to shoot if he finds himself in a shooting position. I don't believe that for one second. If a ball breaks in midfield from a long kick out does player X not go for the breaking ball because the manager didn't tell him to go for it? Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 12/07/2017 14:35:16 2015616 Link 0 |
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And what did Mattie do to solve the problem at midfield Sean. I mean if you knew what was coming surely Mattie did and had a plan? I saw no plan, no changes and nothing to say there was any know-how on the line whatsoever. You are cutting the man a lot of slack. Personally I think his über positive stance is a cover for other issues and I'm of the opinion that won't improve no matter what players he calls in. Sad but true. fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:802 - 11/07/2017 13:51:50 2014941 I did say I saw it I am just a mere supporter and I cannot speak for others?? The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2017 16:22:34 2015690 Link 0 |
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Imagine there's people in this day and age (Fredflint for example) that thinks that players are instructed not to go for the ball or shoot when they have a chance, its actually laughable that a grown person could actually believe it. cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 13/07/2017 14:28:14 2016108 Link 0 |
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well said...highlights the problem in Cavan football for a number of years....inability to think for themselves. If McKiernan was being outnumbered in midfield, does he keep kicking the ball to him until someone along the line tells him not to? No, an intelligent keeper would switch the play, intelligent half backs & half forwards would be anticipating the breaking ball... cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 13/07/2017 14:32:17 2016111 Link 0 |
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1997. We beat Derry with a point which was actually wide. The way we're going that was the day I probably saw my last Ulster Final win. I'm in my 60's now. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 13/07/2017 19:07:33 2016232 Link 0 |
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Cavanblueman.... I would not think for a second that any manager would instruct a player not to go for the ball but I know for certain sure that certain Cavan players are told not to shoot for a score at any time... I know this from talking to one of the Cavan panel who told me a certain player was severely reprimanded for having a shot at goal in an early league game this season...he was told if he didn't follow instructions in future there would be no place for him with the team... I like you was gobsmacked.
Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 13/07/2017 19:30:33 2016239 Link 0 |
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There are certain players told not to shoot. Certainly at club level. Also at club level certain players are told not to kick, tackle etc... if it's a weak part of their game.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 13/07/2017 20:53:35 2016266 Link 0 |
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That's funny now because I was told different . So if there's cross wires with instruction to players no wonder they not performing.
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 13/07/2017 21:04:53 2016267 Link 0 |
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I never said they were told"not to go for the ball" Thry could've been told to stay goal side of their man though to form their defensive line quickly. If you aggressively compete for breaks and lose you are open. My bet is he told the lads to not go aggressive on breaks, form the defensive line on the 45, trust Gearoid and the kick out strategy to win primary possession on our kick outs. You might think that is stupid but that's the type of instructions county teams are getting today.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 13/07/2017 22:17:30 2016290 Link 0 |
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If you don't go for the ball in an aggressive manner then how are you supposed to win it? You might as well just surrender the ball to the opposition which is basically what we did and you don't win matches that way. Plus you stand the risk of getting injured by not going for it aggressively because the opposition will. 100 % or nothing. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/07/2017 13:55:14 2016526 Link 0 |
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Did I say I agreed with such an approach? I gave it as a possible example of the conservative instructions some managers are capable of giving and I'd say there is a fair chance an instruction like that was given against Tipp
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 14/07/2017 14:20:40 2016538 Link 0 |
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All in All,the whole thing leads to mass confusion between the players.Obviously players decision making and game intelligence is crucial but if players have been dropped or threatened with being dropped,they might know what they should be doing but decide not to do it as it's not worth the risk of being dropped.Maybe this explains some of the earlier in the year stuff where some players were doing pretty well and all of a sudden they were taken off or worse still where a fella is brought on and then substituted 15 minutes later,is it beacuse he did'nt stick to the script exactly.All i am doing is trying to figure out what in hell went on last Saturday,just beggars belief. celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 160 - 14/07/2017 14:31:59 2016541 Link 0 |
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One disputed Ulster chamionship in 47 years.This means we have not had the players/managers or both for half a century.Something deeply wrong in the county which needs to be addressed,player numbers,club self interest,underage structures.Full root and branch examination required.A new manager is obviously not the answer as every manager before him has failed to win an Ulster championship plus almost of all have failed to even get to an Ulster final,let alone win one. celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 160 - 14/07/2017 14:38:09 2016543 Link 0 |
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With respect I didn't say you did. I quoted your post and suggested that what it said is not an intelligent way to run a team. Any manager who would counsel such an approach should seriously question his own position. Any team that would surrender possession would find it hard to win a match and I saw Cavan not put the opposition kick-outs under pressure and not push up on them. We lost those games by the way.
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/07/2017 14:48:08 2016552 Link 0 |
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I think we need to developers our own style of football and not be copying what the Tyrones or Donegals of this world do. For example I think the short kick out amongst mediocre teams is coming to an end especially after watching Roscommon v Galway. Kick it long, win your mark or be switched on for the break. It will be very interesting to see how Down set up next Sunday. I've a feeling they will just go for it . It would do football a power of good if they won it. At least they were always noted for playing football not defensive crap. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 14/07/2017 15:00:00 2016559 Link 0 |
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Yea the kick outs are taking too long now. What is wrong with the keeper putting the head down and driving the ball as hard as he can out the middle. Get argue back in midfield and drive the ball at him, he can catch it and turn and drive it to the full forward and then stick it in the back of the net. There's too many small lads playing football now, John Joe would have a field day milling small lads if he were still playing. foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 129 - 15/07/2017 10:49:06 2016811 Link 0 |
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Argue is not the answer at midfield. He is far too timid.
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 15/07/2017 15:22:45 2016935 Link 0 |