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We had a 12 point turnaround in 20 minutes of the 2nd half. I wouldn't expect that against Dublin. Something went seriously wrong at half time and the buck for that stops at the manager.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 08/07/2017 22:49:33 2012634 Link 0 |
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That was the most ineffective second half of football I have ever endured. They must have been told they had it won at halftime. delaad (Cavan) - Posts: 8 - 08/07/2017 22:51:14 2012635 Link 0 |
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You could only be stunned at the non performance in the 2nd half. Are Tipp that good when stirred ,did we get arrogant , what kind of pep talk did we have at half time , have we no leaders , did we not want a further run.Maybe a combination of all. eamonnmac (Cavan) - Posts: 59 - 08/07/2017 22:57:39 2012643 Link 0 |
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What kind of comment is that ??? You were on here last Nov/Dec spouting rubbish about how great a manager he was & that he was a breath of fresh air. Now your questioning his team selections & if he is even selecting the team !!! Curates egg performance again today. Excellent first half with some of the best scores I've seen from a cavan team in years however that second half was shocking & after 5 mins it's was obvious that we were in serious trouble. Absolutely no plan b & it really seemed that we were overly complacent that the game was over. I've mentioned it here before that Mattie will get at least another year to get improvements but I really think he needs help from experienced successful cavan managers who have pride in the county jersey
bond (Longford) - Posts: 174 - 08/07/2017 23:02:43 2012648 Link 0 |
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Probably over trained was an issue , Cavan probably peaked with fitness for the league like other weaker county's do so they can go well in the league,some of the lads looked out of breath at the end of the first half. The likes of the kerrys Dublins and mayo's only start to get there fitness levels up come August . I don't know we're Cavan football can go from here, there does be a lot of money pumped into the county set up from clubs with no return . Is it time to review the whole set up starting with the county. Board , football is a business and when a business fails the board has to answer to it . Club football in Cavan needs serious attention because over the last few years it's been in a decline , Have to let county players play with club when the county team is still involved in championship they have as much chance of getting injured in training games . Hopefully changes will come in time for the batch of minor players coming through , before they go to the next level and there natural football ability is taking from them and they have to play to stats . Till another year hogan stand friends .
goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 08/07/2017 23:10:01 2012653 Link 0 |
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our beginning to sound like a broken record. Who's team is this if not Matties?? IMO he is out of his depth and it will be Cavan who will suffer for it. ballygowanwater (Cavan) - Posts:150 - 08/07/2017 20:53:09 2012512 Post Reply Link 0 0 AS usual talking through your anus . This man came to Cavan last November he saw no championship football therefore would not have seen any players outside the loop so from now on he will have plenty time to asses what potential is out there and next year we can then judge the man it's totally unfair to judge him at this moment in time. Now I don't know the man so don't start saying what else would I say. Lets give him a fair crack of the whip then and only then start judging him. I have seen managers come and go several just did not have a clue or how to make changes but they just did not have it. I am willing to give him his chance. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 08/07/2017 23:18:16 2012658 Link 0 |
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I saw Martin mc hugh leaving today and i said we need him back , he said terrible 2nd half , lack of leadership. eamonnmac (Cavan) - Posts:24 - 08/07/2017 22:57:39 20 What are you talking about he did a runner because he could not get anymore. I can still see the wide that became a point???? But happy we got an Ulster title regardless. I had my daughter with me and to see how happy she was was good enough for me and Dunnes stores car park later on was second to none for her and me as well despite the fact I am a Cork man. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 08/07/2017 23:29:23 2012661 Link 0 |
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If he can't implement a kick out strategy he doesn't deserve a chance to pick his own team???? If he keeps playing players one week and drops them next week he doesn't deserve a chance??? If he keeps saying it's great after a defeat he doesn't deserve a chance???? Your hypocrisy over this issue Sean grates. Just because he said hello to you when he got job. You cannot defend that abomination today. As pathetic as I ever seen. C O Reilly huge bright spot. Mackey class as usual but he needs help. doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 08/07/2017 23:31:22 2012662 Link 0 |
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What kind of comment is that ??? You were on here last Nov/Dec spouting rubbish about how great a manager he was & that he was a breath of fresh air. Now your questioning his team selections & if he is even selecting the team !!! Curates egg performance again today. Excellent first half with some of the best scores I've seen from a cavan team in years however that second half was shocking & after 5 mins it's was obvious that we were in serious trouble. Absolutely no plan b & it really seemed that we were overly complacent that the game was over. I've mentioned it here before that Mattie will get at least another year to get improvements but I really think he needs help from experienced successful cavan managers who have pride in the county jersey bond (Longford) - Posts:90 - 08/07/2017 23:02:43 2012 I was stating facts about the man as an individual and yes he is a breath of fresh air. I am questioning the starting 15 if only position wise. To be cruelly honest I would not have started several Why because some were carrying injuries and others playing in positions they are not familiar with. Was it obvious today YES IT WAS. The best players on the Cavan team were two of our oldest players. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 08/07/2017 23:35:25 2012667 Link 0 |
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If he can't implement a kick out strategy he doesn't deserve a chance to pick his own team???? If he keeps playing players one week and drops them next week he doesn't deserve a chance??? If he keeps saying it's great after a defeat he doesn't deserve a chance???? Your hypocrisy over this issue Sean grates. Just because he said hello to you when he got job. You cannot defend that abomination today. As pathetic as I ever seen. C O Reilly huge bright spot. Mackey class as usual but he needs help. doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:1000 - 08/07/2017 23:31:22 2012662 I will say this just once more I don't know the man never heard of him until he came to take up the Job. He shows respect to each and everyone and to me that speaks volumes. Lets see what happens next January. You must think I am easy won over but let me tell you lad or lassie I am no easy push over and I am not afraid to say what I feel and I will get my chance before the end of the championship this I guarantee you. C O R scores two points he becomes a great player wise up, Mossy scored two great points you say nothing he is 33 years old. Yes he did score two good points one from each foot but does this me him the special one. Look there are several players on the panel that could have done the same thing. Good luck to the lad at least he tried. Mossy played with heart and passion this was lacking in abundance today. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 08/07/2017 23:49:12 2012678 Link 0 |
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The managment knows what its wants to do , win. so does the team , the problem seems to be that neither the manager or the team knows the team from one week to another, there is no continuity , the full back line and the chb needs to be solid,when the wing half backs are attacking he needs to be there minding house and not letting them run throught the middle, we need a chb like toasty who didnt care what or who was coming towards him ,but they were not gonna skip pass him, he marshalled the defense well,our mid field well missing in the second half, how or why did we not win any breaking ball, it looked like we didnt want it,there is no plan b cause plan a has not being mastered yet.with time running out we bought on forwards but still wont kick a quick ball in to them, this has being going on for years, its no wonder why we dont have any forwards they either walk or get sent off throught fustration,This new modern game has it all, fitness ,sweepers, players who know how to play everywhere, goalkeepers for free takers, we have being trying this for the last 5 years now with no real great results apart from reaching division one. but i think with the young panel we had that may have being possible anyway if left to the old fashion way ,just score more than the opposition,Hope mattie gets a chance now to go and see some club players perform this year and have a plan ,A.B and C for the league sendithome (Cavan) - Posts: 25 - 09/07/2017 00:19:05 2012695 Link 0 |
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Bitterly Disappointed today but I am not going to come on here bashing players like some. Very good first half second half didn't turn up. But there's a few underlying issues that really annoy me about Cavan football. Why are players not committing? I know there's family/work commitments and other issues but would not see it in Monaghan. For example keating, Givney, Argue, Barry Reilly, Kevin Tierney? Can we as a county afford to not have these men? A cousin of mine from Monaghan laughs at what he says is a perception of the Cavan people that ye are greater than anyone else and that the players haven't the mentality for it. I don't agree with him but I do think the whole situation needs an overhaul for the better of Cavan football. I read the interview with Mattie Donnelly and he said he realised that he needed to change his lifestyle and grow stronger to make the tyrone team look at him now. Have our players this winning mentality? I don't think so. But why so many wasted U21's? I think it's the mentality from the top down and needs to change. Even the support today barely a clap and the team coming back on the field for the second half sickening. The whole mentality has to change. As for anyone who says Tipp are a fine team forget about it. They should have been dead and buried but the mentality thing again. Silverblue (Cavan) - Posts: 10 - 09/07/2017 00:37:13 2012706 Link 0 |
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion Sean but the starting 15 but in the best first half I've seen in a long time. What happened second half is totally unacceptable and the players and management have to take responsibility for it. Starting 15 had nothing to do with being bet. Mentality had.
Silverblue (Cavan) - Posts: 10 - 09/07/2017 00:41:14 2012710 Link 0 |
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No heart, no fight, no passion, no good IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 306 - 09/07/2017 01:46:54 2012728 Link 0 |
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion Sean but the starting 15 but in the best first half I've seen in a long time. What happened second half is totally unacceptable and the players and management have to take responsibility for it. Starting 15 had nothing to do with being bet. Mentality had. Silverblue (Cavan) - Posts:7 - 09/07/2017 00:41:14 2012710 The difference was Tipp brought on Austin and he lorded it from there on. He changed the whole structure of the game it's as simple as that. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 09/07/2017 02:55:02 2012746 Link 0 |
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion Sean but the starting 15 but in the best first half I've seen in a long time. What happened second half is totally unacceptable and the players and management have to take responsibility for it. Starting 15 had nothing to do with being bet. Mentality had. Silverblue (Cavan) - Posts:7 - 09/07/2017 00:41:14 2012710 The difference was Tipp brought on Austin and he lorded it from there on. He changed the whole structure of the game it's as simple as that. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 09/07/2017 08:50:27 2012776 Link 0 |
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Unfortunately we have to keep going back to try and move forward!!! If that is the case then get the right structures in place... Do we have to go back to the Nicholas Walsh - Peter Donnelly development of under age structures? If so, it should also follow up the way to the Senior Team. What are the Senior clubs in the County producing at the moment? If the club scene is not going well. How would you expect to line out a Co. Team. We have a man at the head of the GAA in this moment in time. Use his experience of others in the GAA at a high level.. Whats the root and branch approach to clear out the current mess that we are in. upandcomingblue (Cavan) - Posts: 37 - 09/07/2017 09:08:50 2012789 Link 0 |
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Sean - what players Mattie saw or didn't see in last years championship has nothing to do with the rubbish 2nd half yesterday or indeed the abysmal season we just had. There are not 10 top class players in cavan club football who are undiscovered and willing to play for Cavan. I don't think there is one semblance of progress this year but a serious regression where even our good kick out strategy last year is now totally destroyed. It might seem rash but I hope our county board makes a quick and bold decision and get a new man in or we will waste another season.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 09/07/2017 09:44:16 2012801 Link 0 |
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Very disapointing result. We were leaderless both on and off the pitch. marita (None) - Posts: 468 - 09/07/2017 09:57:44 2012809 Link 0 |
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Twenty years since our last Ulster Senior Football success, one final appearance in that time, yesterday was no better or worse than what has gone down during that period. There is some talent out there but not enough to compensate for a lack of leaders on the field of play and for a mental weakness that has shown itself on many occasions over the past number of years. We folded in the second half at Healy Park in the league,found a way to lose against Derry this time last year, we folded again against Tyrone in the semi final and semi final replay last year, was there a McKenna Cup final in the not so distant past where we ruled in the first half and fell apart in the second? The more these events occur the more they are likely to occur in the future. kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 09/07/2017 10:10:13 2012814 Link 0 |