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Ulster Championship 2005

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In the ulster championship 2005 19th june Cavan drew with Tyrone 1.07 to 0.10.
In replay played on 25th june result Tyrone 3.19 Cavan 0.07. At the time we all thought it was the end of this Cavan team.
On to the qualifiers on 3rd july Cavan beat Donegal 1.11 to 1.10 in Breffnie.
On the 17th july in Clones Cavan beat Meath 1.08 to 1.06. Cavan were moving nicely again.
On the 30th july in Roscommon Mayo beat Cavan 0.11 to 0.08. Cavan were very unlucky in that game as they
lost Darren Rabbitt our full back to a bad injury early in the game and that was that. It was a great recovery by
Cavan that year after losing to Tyrone by 21 points so who knows where this year may take us.
The very best of luck to Cavan against Carlow at the weekend.

Virginiablue75 (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 05/07/2016 20:33:31    1877010

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Replying To Virginiablue75:  "In the ulster championship 2005 19th june Cavan drew with Tyrone 1.07 to 0.10.
In replay played on 25th june result Tyrone 3.19 Cavan 0.07. At the time we all thought it was the end of this Cavan team.
On to the qualifiers on 3rd july Cavan beat Donegal 1.11 to 1.10 in Breffnie.
On the 17th july in Clones Cavan beat Meath 1.08 to 1.06. Cavan were moving nicely again.
On the 30th july in Roscommon Mayo beat Cavan 0.11 to 0.08. Cavan were very unlucky in that game as they
lost Darren Rabbitt our full back to a bad injury early in the game and that was that. It was a great recovery by
Cavan that year after losing to Tyrone by 21 points so who knows where this year may take us.
The very best of luck to Cavan against Carlow at the weekend."
Yeah, there's certainly no reason why we can't make an All-Ireland quarter final if we regroup properly. If we'd have lost to Tyrone by a point the first day, I think people would be rating our chances a bit more. Even a semi final isn't inconceivable!

Our path to an All Ireland semi final looks like this:

Carlow - Meath/Derry/Laois/Sligo/Clare - Tipp/Galway/Roscommon - Kerry/Galway/Roscommon

If we were to avoid Kerry, I'd be disappointed to lose to anyone else, even the Connaught Champions.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5008 - 06/07/2016 08:17:35    1877104

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The back door is a complete waste of space and supporters money. It does nothing for the game the players and the county.
This will be shown this Saturday by the amount of supporters that will be at it.
Finishing in the last eight what does it prove to be honest sweet sod all, for when you reach the business end of things you are gone. Cavan have been there Fermanagh have been there what does it do for anyone.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 06/07/2016 09:54:33    1877140

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Replying To seanorinn:  "The back door is a complete waste of space and supporters money. It does nothing for the game the players and the county.
This will be shown this Saturday by the amount of supporters that will be at it.
Finishing in the last eight what does it prove to be honest sweet sod all, for when you reach the business end of things you are gone. Cavan have been there Fermanagh have been there what does it do for anyone."
Sean o Rinn if we didn't have the back door there wouldn't be much football played . How's many actual championship games have we won this past 10 years?

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 06/07/2016 14:58:46    1877361

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Yeah, there's certainly no reason why we can't make an All-Ireland quarter final if we regroup properly. If we'd have lost to Tyrone by a point the first day, I think people would be rating our chances a bit more. Even a semi final isn't inconceivable!

Our path to an All Ireland semi final looks like this:

Carlow - Meath/Derry/Laois/Sligo/Clare - Tipp/Galway/Roscommon - Kerry/Galway/Roscommon

If we were to avoid Kerry, I'd be disappointed to lose to anyone else, even the Connaught Champions."
Nothing to fear there. infant it would be a disappointment if they didn't make a quarter, who knows then if we avoided Kerry..........

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 06/07/2016 16:18:16    1877426

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I would not always agree with Sean O Rinn but he is totally right on this occasion... The back door is a complete waste of time unless ur a top 4/5 team that after been caught napping ( ie Mayo ) you still have a realistic chance of winning an All-Ireland... We do not come close to fitting into that category so it's a waste of time.. What good did it do Fermanagh to get to a semi-final a few years back..? They would give up every back door win to capture the Anglo Celt Cup and rightly so...!!!

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 06/07/2016 17:29:49    1877495

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Replying To Sean.66:  "I would not always agree with Sean O Rinn but he is totally right on this occasion... The back door is a complete waste of time unless ur a top 4/5 team that after been caught napping ( ie Mayo ) you still have a realistic chance of winning an All-Ireland... We do not come close to fitting into that category so it's a waste of time.. What good did it do Fermanagh to get to a semi-final a few years back..? They would give up every back door win to capture the Anglo Celt Cup and rightly so...!!!"
I know what you are saying, but if everyone thinks like that you would have only 1 team playing in Leinster championship, 3 in Munster, 3 in connoct and maybe 5 in ulster

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 880 - 06/07/2016 17:52:55    1877521

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Replying To blueman1903:  "I know what you are saying, but if everyone thinks like that you would have only 1 team playing in Leinster championship, 3 in Munster, 3 in connoct and maybe 5 in ulster"
Blueman...You at least have 12 teams there who have a fair chance of winning a title but with the back door you cut that down to 2/3... My point is Cavan have ( or had ) a chance to win an Ulster title but absolutely no chance of winning the All Ireland therefore playing in the back door is a waste of time and money... Getting to an All Ireland QF or Semi-final means nothing at the end of the day

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 06/07/2016 18:44:19    1877541

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Replying To Sean.66:  "Blueman...You at least have 12 teams there who have a fair chance of winning a title but with the back door you cut that down to 2/3... My point is Cavan have ( or had ) a chance to win an Ulster title but absolutely no chance of winning the All Ireland therefore playing in the back door is a waste of time and money... Getting to an All Ireland QF or Semi-final means nothing at the end of the day"
Sean, I know what you mean but would a young team like Cavan not gain valuable experience going on a run and getting maybe 1 or 2 championship games in croke park.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 880 - 06/07/2016 19:14:59    1877554

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Replying To blueman1903:  "Sean, I know what you mean but would a young team like Cavan not gain valuable experience going on a run and getting maybe 1 or 2 championship games in croke park."
Cavan were not unlucky to lose to Mayo. They were lucky they didn't lose by 20 points as Mayo kicked an unbelievable amount of wides and Cavan could barely get out of their own half. The brilliance of Larry kept us in it. Today's team is much better than that team in my opinion.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 06/07/2016 22:52:38    1877651

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Back Door system surely has to be better for footballers than straight knock out,after all one championship game after training for 6 months is not appealing.It of course is a major bonus for the big boys caught on the hop, Kerry and Tyrone have won All Irelands through the back door and Mayo are glad of it this year,however for weaker teams getting to an All Ireland qtr final may only just mean that the draw has been favourable as in 2013 when we got London as losers of Connaught after a great match v Derry.Still,it surely has to improve teams and keep supporters interested as fair enough there may not be a big crowd v Carlow but if it was Meath next time round,it would generate huge interest again.

celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 160 - 07/07/2016 09:03:24    1877711

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Replying To celt2018:  "Back Door system surely has to be better for footballers than straight knock out,after all one championship game after training for 6 months is not appealing.It of course is a major bonus for the big boys caught on the hop, Kerry and Tyrone have won All Irelands through the back door and Mayo are glad of it this year,however for weaker teams getting to an All Ireland qtr final may only just mean that the draw has been favourable as in 2013 when we got London as losers of Connaught after a great match v Derry.Still,it surely has to improve teams and keep supporters interested as fair enough there may not be a big crowd v Carlow but if it was Meath next time round,it would generate huge interest again."
If it were pure knockout our club scene would be back in full swing and the majority would not be held to ransom by the minority.
Qualifiers are designed to bring extra revenue into the GAA in my opinion.

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 07/07/2016 14:07:50    1877922

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Replying To seanorinn:  "The back door is a complete waste of space and supporters money. It does nothing for the game the players and the county.
This will be shown this Saturday by the amount of supporters that will be at it.
Finishing in the last eight what does it prove to be honest sweet sod all, for when you reach the business end of things you are gone. Cavan have been there Fermanagh have been there what does it do for anyone."
Tell that to Longford or clare players. Your post is rediculous and will be shown to be so by a good turnout versus derry next weekend.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 11/07/2016 08:43:04    1880612

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Sean o Rinn if we didn't have the back door there wouldn't be much football played . How's many actual championship games have we won this past 10 years?"
there wouldn't be much football played would there? So the club players that are completely disrespected every year to participate in these meaningless games wouldn't be playing week in/week out instead off twiddling their thumbs and losing interest since the first weekend in June?

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1676 - 11/07/2016 09:25:08    1880639

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "there wouldn't be much football played would there? So the club players that are completely disrespected every year to participate in these meaningless games wouldn't be playing week in/week out instead off twiddling their thumbs and losing interest since the first weekend in June?"
yes it's an unfortunate situation. but there must be a solution.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 11/07/2016 15:58:12    1881058

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that's a completely seperate issue. you can't say the qualifiers are bad for the county team because it effects the club players. You can say it's bad for the clubs (which it is) but to say it serves no purpose for the County team is wrong.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 11/07/2016 18:50:45    1881222

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Replying To s goldrick:  "that's a completely seperate issue. you can't say the qualifiers are bad for the county team because it effects the club players. You can say it's bad for the clubs (which it is) but to say it serves no purpose for the County team is wrong."
The qualifiers are the only way we can win a few games . If you count out Ulster Championship wins this past 5 years how many would you have ? We are great at beating the Carlows and the wicklows and the Londons of this world but when did we beat any half decent team? Anybody care to say when did we create a shock result ? Like Longford did this weekend?

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/07/2016 18:59:21    1881229

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "The qualifiers are the only way we can win a few games . If you count out Ulster Championship wins this past 5 years how many would you have ? We are great at beating the Carlows and the wicklows and the Londons of this world but when did we beat any half decent team? Anybody care to say when did we create a shock result ? Like Longford did this weekend?"
in the last 4 years we have beaten, fermanagh,derry,westmeath,London twice and carlow and lost to Kerry, and Roscommon Twice.
apparently we are favourites to beat Derry so if we win that it won't be a "scalp" Then it would be either Tipp,Roscommon or Galway. If it's Tipp we probably would be favourites , not sure about Galway as we beat them in the league but I would think if it was Roscommon they would be favourites to beat us again., so that could be considered a "scalp" though if we did manage to beat Derry and Roscommon lost to Galway the odds might change. The big teams all seem to be on the other side of the draw this year. Cork,Mayo,Kildare,Longford :)

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 11/07/2016 23:47:00    1881477

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Replying To s goldrick:  "in the last 4 years we have beaten, fermanagh,derry,westmeath,London twice and carlow and lost to Kerry, and Roscommon Twice.
apparently we are favourites to beat Derry so if we win that it won't be a "scalp" Then it would be either Tipp,Roscommon or Galway. If it's Tipp we probably would be favourites , not sure about Galway as we beat them in the league but I would think if it was Roscommon they would be favourites to beat us again., so that could be considered a "scalp" though if we did manage to beat Derry and Roscommon lost to Galway the odds might change. The big teams all seem to be on the other side of the draw this year. Cork,Mayo,Kildare,Longford :)"
Wo..,wo ..,wo stall the ball there Golderick. Don't look past Derry . We could t beat Monaghan, Tyrone , Roscommon when the pressure was on in important games this past 2 years. Enough said .

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 12/07/2016 14:34:47    1881847

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