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Predictions For Coming Year

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Only two teams in contention for Sam Maguire so i go with Kerry again.
Munster Kerry
Leinster Dublin
Connacht Mayo
Ulster Derry

Tailteann Cup Cavan

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 22/01/2023 11:51:18    2453377

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Div3 league
Minimum points we should have is 10.
That's allowing for Westmeath to beat us
Draw with Longford and Maybe Down.
Should have no trouble beating Tipp. Offaly, Antrim, Fermanagh.
10/11. Points would see is promoted with Westmeath.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 22/01/2023 18:33:49    2453462

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Div3 league
Minimum points we should have is 10.
That's allowing for Westmeath to beat us
Draw with Longford and Maybe Down.
Should have no trouble beating Tipp. Offaly, Antrim, Fermanagh.
10/11. Points would see is promoted with Westmeath."
Should have no trouble beating Tipp. Offaly, Antrim, Fermanagh.
10/11. Points would see is promoted with Westmeath.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 268 - 22/01/2023 18:33:49

I hope you are right on that but there was lots of trouble beating Division 4 teams last year we near got caught out in a few games after having good starts and building up good leads only to fall asleep and let the opposition back into the games.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 841 - 23/01/2023 10:04:23    2453540

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I think we are justifiably one of the favourites for promotion but will still IMO have our fill of it getting out of D3. So much will depend on how we fair on 1st day out, which sets the momentum for the rest of a compressed league. Westmeath deserved the win in the TC final, although not much in it either way. Down I suspect will be much improved under Laverty and probably have a few opt outs back. Longford love to beat us and always raise their game for a Cavan match. Fermanagh in the league in recent meetings is always a 1 or 2 point war of attrition. Offaly have shown promise if not consistency in recent years, and are capable of a win. Not much between us and Tipp (if at full strength). You'd hope we have the beating of Antrim again. So no foregone conclusion. 10 points would probably see a promotion as other teams will all take points of each other, but probably won't top the table resulting in I think another TC year if Westmeath not promoted too??? Proper scrap ahead. D3 promotion and TC final win this year would be progress. Not perfect, but progress.

Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 23/01/2023 14:17:43    2453669

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Replying To RHF:  "Should have no trouble beating Tipp. Offaly, Antrim, Fermanagh.
10/11. Points would see is promoted with Westmeath.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 268 - 22/01/2023 18:33:49

I hope you are right on that but there was lots of trouble beating Division 4 teams last year we near got caught out in a few games after having good starts and building up good leads only to fall asleep and let the opposition back into the games."
If we pick a total of 2/3points from Westmeath, Longford , Down games I've a feeling we would beat the rest.
Tipp and Fermanagh at home and Antrim and Offaly away.
Not expecting to get anything from Westmeath away especially with them under a new Manager Dessie Dolan.
Longford at home could be tough. Good win last Saturday and it's a local Derby too.
Down seem to have improved slightly too but we have them at home.
Promotion would be great. A must really. Anything else in Ulster or Tailteann is a bonus.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 23/01/2023 14:56:50    2453681

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Westmeath are erratic in the League. They went from Division 1 to 4 previously. Offaly have good young players from the i20 All Ireland winning team. They could improve under Liam Kearns.hes done well in previous jobs, Limerick and Tipperary.
Longford have their main players back on panel this year which is making a difference.
Laverty has Down going well. Unlucky to lose against Derry in the McKenna Cup semis.

Antrim looked awful in McKenna Cup and will do well to stay up. Maybe Fermanagh to go down with them. They are lacking scoring threat with players not committing.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2761 - 23/01/2023 16:03:06    2453712

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Replying To Calving4Sam:  "I think we are justifiably one of the favourites for promotion but will still IMO have our fill of it getting out of D3. So much will depend on how we fair on 1st day out, which sets the momentum for the rest of a compressed league. Westmeath deserved the win in the TC final, although not much in it either way. Down I suspect will be much improved under Laverty and probably have a few opt outs back. Longford love to beat us and always raise their game for a Cavan match. Fermanagh in the league in recent meetings is always a 1 or 2 point war of attrition. Offaly have shown promise if not consistency in recent years, and are capable of a win. Not much between us and Tipp (if at full strength). You'd hope we have the beating of Antrim again. So no foregone conclusion. 10 points would probably see a promotion as other teams will all take points of each other, but probably won't top the table resulting in I think another TC year if Westmeath not promoted too??? Proper scrap ahead. D3 promotion and TC final win this year would be progress. Not perfect, but progress."
Can any team from Div 3 qualify for Sam? Assuming best case scenario that all the provincial finalist are from Div 1 and 2 except one of the finalist in Connacht. Add to that Westmeath and there are 7 places left so 5 teams from Div 1 and 2 from Div 2 (promotion and relegation will be irrelevant) so the top 2 in Div 2 will be in the TC (Again promotion and relegation is irrelevant) Even if Westmeath get to the Leinster final it doesn't change the calculation. Have I missed something?²²

Devers (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 27/01/2023 15:43:49    2454604

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CORRECTION.
The text should read, 'The top 2 in Div 3 will be in the TC' NOT 'The top 2 in Div 2'
Sorry
Devers

Devers (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 28/01/2023 14:40:41    2454738

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Replying To Devers:  "Can any team from Div 3 qualify for Sam? Assuming best case scenario that all the provincial finalist are from Div 1 and 2 except one of the finalist in Connacht. Add to that Westmeath and there are 7 places left so 5 teams from Div 1 and 2 from Div 2 (promotion and relegation will be irrelevant) so the top 2 in Div 2 will be in the TC (Again promotion and relegation is irrelevant) Even if Westmeath get to the Leinster final it doesn't change the calculation. Have I missed something?²²"
No, you're right. No team from Division 3 will qualify for Sam unless they reach their provincial final. The 16 for Sam will be made up from 8 Division 1 teams, and the 6 left in Division 2. The other 2 are Westmeath guaranteed a spot on winning the TC last year, while Connacht messes the whole thing up by guaranteeing a Division 4 team reaches the Connacht final. One of Sligo, Leitrim, London, or New York will be in Sam. Joke of a setup tbh.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 28/01/2023 15:44:19    2454758

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It is silly that a Division 4 team or New York are guaranteed a place in the group stage… It shows a serious flaw in the set up…. Again brainless thinking by the GAA…The obvious solution to the problem was to seed the draw in Connaught… now we have a situation where a team is going to be absolutely battered in a provincial final and then ready themselves for three more mailings in the group stage….. It will bring that County on in leaps and bounds… NOT

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1868 - 29/01/2023 10:06:33    2454865

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "It is silly that a Division 4 team or New York are guaranteed a place in the group stage… It shows a serious flaw in the set up…. Again brainless thinking by the GAA…The obvious solution to the problem was to seed the draw in Connaught… now we have a situation where a team is going to be absolutely battered in a provincial final and then ready themselves for three more mailings in the group stage….. It will bring that County on in leaps and bounds… NOT"
It is Connacht this year with one f²inalist outside Div 1 & 2 but it is just as likely in Munster in another year Limerick were in Div 3 when the played Kerry in 2022 final. In the last 4 years Fermanagh, Cavan and Laois - though I am not sure if all 3 were outside Div 1 & 2 - have been to provincial finals. And it is more than possible that Westmeath could reach the Leinster final this year Seeding could be an answer though it does take away the excitement, e.g. in Fermanagh when they reached the Ulster Final.
Maybe the last 2 teams qualifying from Div 2 could have play offs with the top 2 Div 3 team to make up the 16. This year that would likely be the teams finishing 5th and 6th in Div 2. If one of the top 2 in Div 3 is the TC winner then there would be just one play off. That would give some incentive to the Div 3 teams.

Devers (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 29/01/2023 12:41:57    2454910

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It wont make much difference as there are only two teams or if you are very optomistic 4 teams competing for Sam. Everyone else are wasting their time spending up to half a million euros each year training teams to compete when they have not a hope in hell of winning either a provincial title or sam. Thats why we need 3 grades same as ladies Senior intermediate and junior its amazing this madness goes on each year how do players keep giving the committment when in reality they will never achieve any of their goals.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 29/01/2023 12:52:35    2454915

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "It wont make much difference as there are only two teams or if you are very optomistic 4 teams competing for Sam. Everyone else are wasting their time spending up to half a million euros each year training teams to compete when they have not a hope in hell of winning either a provincial title or sam. Thats why we need 3 grades same as ladies Senior intermediate and junior its amazing this madness goes on each year how do players keep giving the committment when in reality they will never achieve any of their goals."
What you say about 'not a hope in hell' is true of the Leinster and Munster championships but in the last 4 years 4 different teams have won in Ulster and 3 different teams in Connacht. The Sam as you say has a different feel to it though I think there are about 6 teams who could get to the final. However there is not the openess there is in hurling even though Lmerick are now dominant and this favours some tiered structure.

Devers (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 29/01/2023 13:37:49    2454925

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