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Tomsmith here
I just wonder how a super 8 would work in Cavan for the senior Championship.
What I would propose that the top 8 teams be selected and play a round robins and the top 4 then have a semi-final and afinal.
To me it makes no sense ( and I have said this elsewhere) in a small rural/country team getting beat by 20 points by a Town team . It will take this small club time to recover from such a hiding and indeed it may create a big divide in the Town teams versus the rural country teams .
I think it would work .
It could be tried for one year at first and see how it works
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 27/01/2022 12:01:05
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I don't think that is a solution to our problems Tom, even though coming from the right place.
A more feasible long term approach to foster a competitive environment within the county would be for us to build some good new towns to match the offerings of your Cavan's & Virginia's, and move the population of rural clubs to those new towns.
For example, Towns like Ballyconnell & Bawnboy are Old Hat at this stage, and the West needs overhauling into one good town. Call it Corlough-On-Shannon or something as there seems to be plenty of room in Corlough and good land as well.
Start by offering grants to the high profile pub & club operators in the area to make it a popular stag and hen party destination. Before too long, close proximity to the thriving town becomes important and urban sprawl will develop, and before too long after that, West Cavan will have a competitive Senior Club for the first time since the 50's.
PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 27/01/2022 14:11:57
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Replying To PatTheDandy: "I don't think that is a solution to our problems Tom, even though coming from the right place.
A more feasible long term approach to foster a competitive environment within the county would be for us to build some good new towns to match the offerings of your Cavan's & Virginia's, and move the population of rural clubs to those new towns.
For example, Towns like Ballyconnell & Bawnboy are Old Hat at this stage, and the West needs overhauling into one good town. Call it Corlough-On-Shannon or something as there seems to be plenty of room in Corlough and good land as well.
Start by offering grants to the high profile pub & club operators in the area to make it a popular stag and hen party destination. Before too long, close proximity to the thriving town becomes important and urban sprawl will develop, and before too long after that, West Cavan will have a competitive Senior Club for the first time since the 50's." Not a bad idea Pat.
But wouldn't that mean the new "satellite towns" of western Cavan suburbia such as Swad and Dowra would have to repeal their ban on high rise skyscrapers famously introduced in the mid 00s as they interfered with King Seany's helicopter flight path.
And then there's the real elephant in the room - what do we do with the likes of Tullyvin and Crossdoney, twinned with Tokyo and Mumbai respectively. Will their ever increasing population swell be allowed to continue? What happens when we reach a point where games will need to be moved from Breffni due to capacity issues and played in the collosseum-like arenas of John-Joe O'Reilly Park or Ryefield.
Tom might be on to something. And it would suit posters on here better to take him seriously than to ridicule him.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5194 - 27/01/2022 15:00:17
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Replying To cavanman47: "Not a bad idea Pat.
But wouldn't that mean the new "satellite towns" of western Cavan suburbia such as Swad and Dowra would have to repeal their ban on high rise skyscrapers famously introduced in the mid 00s as they interfered with King Seany's helicopter flight path.
And then there's the real elephant in the room - what do we do with the likes of Tullyvin and Crossdoney, twinned with Tokyo and Mumbai respectively. Will their ever increasing population swell be allowed to continue? What happens when we reach a point where games will need to be moved from Breffni due to capacity issues and played in the collosseum-like arenas of John-Joe O'Reilly Park or Ryefield.
Tom might be on to something. And it would suit posters on here better to take him seriously than to ridicule him." Residents of Swad and Dowra would have the choice of Corlough-on-Shannon, or the Blacklion area to choose from. Blacklion will remain as the 2nd town in the West as an alternative to the bright lights of Corlough-On-Shannon.
Any residents of Tullyvin whose homes are within the revised district lines of Cootehill Town would be allowed to stay where they are. Those outside of the new town boundaries would have their homes knocked to turn the area into a nature reserve for forestry, hunting etc., which tourists in Cootehill would go out to visit for day trips undisturbed.
Those uprooted would receive the price of the house back in hard cash and assistance from the local council to purchase a brand new suburban home in the expanded and refurbished Cootehill, as part of the "Make Cootehill a Good Big Town Again" Scheme.
PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 27/01/2022 16:38:03
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What about the residents of Glangevlin as they've been left out on this tour of Swad Corlough Dowra & Blacklion in the debates so far.
[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 28/01/2022 11:42:29
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Replying To [email protected]: "What about the residents of Glangevlin as they've been left out on this tour of Swad Corlough Dowra & Blacklion in the debates so far."
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5194 - 28/01/2022 12:39:18
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Replying To cavanman47: "I felt it unfair to drag them into this conversation while they're in the midst of a mayoral election" Very considerate of you.
[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 29/01/2022 12:22:25
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hello to all
Tomsmith here
This was posed as a discussion document and as sometimes called a white paper in local Government circles or indeed the EEC has what is called a green paper which outlines in more detail what is proposed
But back to Tomsmits white paper proposal if would make sense to have asuper Championship say for one year.
Let the big teams ( again I proposed best teams over last 20 years ) plus beaten finalist and Championship winner in previous year to battle it out.. If you look at the hidings that my Club Cavan Gaels has handed out to smaller country clubs has it done any thing for football...
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 05/02/2022 11:42:46
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Replying To tomsmith: "hello to all
Tomsmith here
This was posed as a discussion document and as sometimes called a white paper in local Government circles or indeed the EEC has what is called a green paper which outlines in more detail what is proposed
But back to Tomsmits white paper proposal if would make sense to have asuper Championship say for one year.
Let the big teams ( again I proposed best teams over last 20 years ) plus beaten finalist and Championship winner in previous year to battle it out.. If you look at the hidings that my Club Cavan Gaels has handed out to smaller country clubs has it done any thing for football..." Hasn't done much for the Gaels anyway Tom.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5194 - 06/02/2022 13:18:46
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Tomsmith here I am delighted that the Gaa annual congress has adopted a similiar format for the All Ireland Championship at the GAA Congress in Mayo on Saturday, as 94.7% of delegates voted in favour of changing the format of the football championship to a tiered structure
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 27/02/2022 21:46:23
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Tomsmith here
In view of the fact that Gaa Hq is now formulating my proposal at County level( adopted at Bechan in County Mayo at congress ) I feel that we here in Cavan should try the same.
Have 8 groups of say 4 teams eack of the groups have a seed team at the top example being seeded
No1 Kingscourt
2 Crosserlough
3 Castlerahan
4 Ramor United
5 Cavan Gaels
6 Lavey
7 Gowna
8 Mullahoran ,
This gives agreat mix of big Town teams and Country teams
Now while I list them in no particular order each seeded group could 3 other teams made up of one or two Amalgamated teams.
The winners of each group could could then play of and you would have great final.
Each group from No 1 to No 8 would have 3 neighbouring teams this would eliminate Country teams coming into play say Kingcourt Stars and get stage fright. Same as teams coming into Cavan town from Rural areas and being unable to accept the fact that they may have a chance of winning against say the Gaels. All games to be played to a finish. The golden score to count in the event of adraw.
This is just a discussion document
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 06/03/2022 11:18:39
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Your back Tom thought you had gone to sort out Putin.
[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 07/03/2022 11:54:51
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Tomsmith here
The more I see of the League and probably Championship result the more I feel that a Super 8 would be the way to go..
I feel that a big injustice is being served on Country teams that have to come into Kingspan Park and try and play Senior football
A super 8 is well worth a try
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 27/07/2022 09:47:05
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I see Meath are trialing a Divisional Championship after the club championship is finished this year.
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Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here
The more I see of the League and probably Championship result the more I feel that a Super 8 would be the way to go..
I feel that a big injustice is being served on Country teams that have to come into Kingspan Park and try and play Senior football
A super 8 is well worth a try" Dont know about that Tom the surface is not that bad.
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Replying To FoolsGold: "I see Meath are trialing a Divisional Championship after the club championship is finished this year." Tomsmith here,
aye the great Mrs T who has informed me that Colum O Rourke must have been looking at my Posts as he is trialling a set of Divisional teams up in County Meath.
But sure a Prophet or Prophetess is never appreciated in ones own area/ County .
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 02/11/2022 09:29:28
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