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Mayo V Galway - 15 Like(s)

Replying To WanPintWin:  "Well, sin sin. The soft early goal put us on the back foot straight away. The first half was a familiar sight unfortunately. Slow build-up and a complete lack of support any time we won a ball inside. We started to finally look like a better team when we went man for man and pushed up fully on their kickout. We have no business in the last 8 this year, and it should be the catalyst for a change of the management team. The best of luck to Mayo in the Super 8s. They'll give Kerry a much better rattle than we would have at the moment. On a separate note, I'm not one to usually call out players, but Cillian O'Connor was a shining example of so much that is wrong with the game today. He takes playacting to a level I haven't seen before, be it diving, faking getting hit and constantly trying to get his marker booked. I'm well aware that he's not unique in this regard, but the regularity of it is ridiculous in his case."
O'Connor is a blight on the game. He is constantly in the referee's ear, niggling at the opposition and then when he gets a tap he's on the deck glancing up at the ref looking for a free. His antics should be held up to every kid in the country as an example of how not to act on the field of play. On the game itself, cracking entertainment compared to the earlier snoozefest. Both team tried to play open football which was great, none of the endless halfway line hand-passing nonsense. Galway paid for those early goal concessions. Comer could have been the answer but they didn't seem to know how to play him. Mayo's experience and game management shone through. That's going to be some group in the S8s.

Joxer (National) - 06/07/2019 23:07:42

Munster Footballers Revolt In 2013 - 14 Like(s)

Replying To legendzxix:  "As I mentioned in another thread: "In October 2013, the players of Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford threatened to boycott the 2015 Munster Football Championship. They were rightly annoyed with wrong decision to seed Kerry and Cork in opposite semi-finals. It was about time these counties grew a pair to sort the mess. After extensive meetings, it was rightly agreed that Munster finalists would be seeded to the semi-finals in the following year but could be drawn against each other. Tipperary benefitted from this seeding a few years back. The seeding is now earned on the field of play." Is this an example of what players in other provinces might have to do if they are unhappy about injustices or imbalances?"
Fair play to those counties. Did it benefit them? Who won Munster in 2013?..... wait I'll just check. Ah, ok, Kerry won it Surely this new found courage delivered in 2014. No looks like Kerry again 2015 hard luck, Kerry again 2016 surely this time. No, Kerry 2017 it has to be or what was the point. Kerry again 2018 for the love of God come on other counties. Oops it's Kerry again 2019 no way. It can't be. It is ye know. Kerry yet again. Fair play to those counties. They should ask God for the time wasted on it back.

Joxer (National) - 02/07/2019 19:20:15

Dublin Vs Kerry Replay - 12 Like(s)

Replying To TheHermit:  "Amazing how in the light of siring questions and the full glare of public opinion turning on D-GAA and by extension Dublin, the climate change deniers turn to googling provincial records of other counties or insinuating that people asking honest and hard questions are not "genuine" GAA people. I've seen it over on the Kerry forum by "guests" coming in to "commensurate" with us. Apparently if we point to the well know facts and figures we are dismissed as being "obsessed" with Dublin and are probably an "embarrassment" to genuine GAA people in our county. It's very interesting seeing how the arguments, deflections and rhetoric of Dublin supporters on places like this and on social media are evolving. One thing is for sure, it's getting more aggressive, more defensive and by implication they know public opinion has well and truly shifted and they can't hide behind words like volunteerism and once in a generation any longer. The horse has bolted. Also of course this isn't some reaction to the 5 in a row, for several years now people have rightly been asking questions about what has been allowed go on with Dublin by the GAA. We have the GPA, every major media outlet, every second poster on here and the majority of GAA supporters up and down the country raising these issues now. Are we all paranoid or obsessed or can Dublin supporters finally concide the simple premise that where there's smoke there's a fire. What's beyond doubt for me is that there's a semi-professional team playing 31 other counties and playing all but 1 or 2 of their games in their own ground. They are a talented, truly excellent group of players with an incredible manager but don't tell me or anyone else their dominance hasn't been greatly aided. In the past week we have heard how the Dublin senior team is able to engage in high-altitude training, no wonder they can keep running while other teams are out on their feet when the clock hits 70l! I'm sure the Dubs have enjoyed the 5 in a row, personally I don't think they being first to do it negates the wonderful tradition and history of my own county. History will judge this decade in the long run and the contexts of what went on will be set out. Looking forward to 2020 and also to the GAA (rightly) getting it in the neck all winter."
History will also judge those facile Kerry AIs won with just 3-4 games. Meaningless titles and so the roll of honour will have a huge asterisk against them. This Dublin team won 9 games in the championship this year. Four of their AI final were won by either a point or went to replay. That's how hard fought they were. The money of course is games development money that is pushed down to the lower levels and not IC but it does give ammunition to the uninformed begrudgers. It's been a tremendous hard fought run from Dublin, 9 games this year, 8 games last year to win Sam and almost halted 3 times by Mayo x 2 and Kerry x 1 but it's a measure of this team's greatness that they should come through. It must pain some to witness their great success.

Joxer (National) - 22/09/2019 15:12:03

Munster Footballers Revolt In 2013 - 12 Like(s)

Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "They are for next year because of the fact that both reached the final this year."
Yeah I mean who would have predicted that? Cork and Kerry reaching the Munster Final. Are Kerry going for title number 82 next year? I mean come on. They should be in a Railway Cup competition with that ridiculous number of titles, 82 Munsters next year and 37 AI titles having been in 59 AI Finals. I mean no discussion required get them out of that hurling region and put them in Ulster. Boycott Munster now.

Joxer (National) - 02/07/2019 20:13:24

The Dubs, The Monies & The Prejudices - 11 Like(s)

Replying To westkerry:  "Haha why do you think Bertie initially ringfenced 1 million of sports grant funding for Dublin? Exactly because you werent winning, its not rocket science. You lads are fed up listening to it because people are actually paying attention to it now. Listen to any GAA podcast its everywhere. You have a great side but if your telling me 17 million hasn't contributed in any way to Dublins success then your just completely disingenuous."
So what you're saying is that Dublin, before they started becoming successful in 2010, were under the spotlight for funding and the current witch hunt has nothing to do with recent success? No. No I don't think so. Didn't a Kerry man, Sean Kelly, oversee the commencement of cash injections into Dublin GAA? €1m. Pfft, same amount of money donated by Kerry Group PLC to their team for their centre of excellence. That's the equivalent of almost €7 per head of population or the same as AIG gifting €11m to Dublin for a centre of excellence. No wonder Kerry PLC has 81 Munster titles, 37 AI titles and is going for 6 in a row at minor level. They also have a good ally in Kerry TD Brendan Griffin Minister of State for Tourism and Sport who granted €600K this year to sports clubs in Kerry, €4 per head of population. He has donated €3m to Kerry sports clubs over the last 18 months. US funding in 2015 raised €1.1m for Kerry PLC's centre of excellence. Kerry not only have a major sponsor in the form of Kerry Group but the funds roll in from financial institutions such as ILCU and Acorn Life, hotel groups like the The Brehon and The Malton Hotel, Skins Sportswear, Castleisland Co-op, The Kerryman newspaper, and Keanes Supervalu. There's no shortage of money in the single code Kingdom with it's 140,000 population. No wonder they have more silverware than Newbridge.

Joxer (National) - 06/07/2019 14:02:09

The Dubs, The Monies & The Prejudices - 11 Like(s)

Replying To greysoil:  "Or working perhaps. I know probably an alien concept in the welfare city."
Speaks volumes about you bud. Remember you said that when your kids or grandkids are coming to the capital to get an education and/or employment to keep a roof over their head.

Joxer (National) - 30/06/2019 13:23:18

Dublin Results 2019 - 10 Like(s)

Replying To Jack_Goff:  "It would be painful if it was a county like Kildare doing what you are doing. They are on a pretty equal footing to us across different metrics. Nobody in Meath is feeling too down about a province with 7 times our population, 30 times our funding this century and far more registered players dominating. Not to mention far bigger sponsorship money, better facilities and resources available. It's like a Wolves fan feeling down because Man City are winning the league. Keep convincing yourself that we are though."
Yeah it would be like Meath beating Carlow I suppose. You just don't see Carlow people on here incessantly whinging about Meath's advantages over them though. Funny you didn't have a problem with your mismatched fixture against Carlow, almost triple scores I think in the end.

Joxer (National) - 12/08/2019 22:09:44

Hill 16 - No Students Or Juveniles - 10 Like(s)

Replying To Jack_Goff:  "There are Dubs on the hill who will give you dogs abuse but there's always far more who are sound and would stick up for you if. So unless you go onto the hill looking for trouble there's really nothing to worry about. I believe things were very different back in the 80's."
Different times alright. Meath fans used to have a particular song about a Dublin forward of asian origin for example, back in the 90s. Thankfully those days are gone. Mayo outnumbered the Dubs on the Hill the last time the sides met in the final. Like all counties the vast amount of fans are fine. You'll always get a couple of drunk idiots at every game but the Hill is great craic and open to all.

Joxer (National) - 16/07/2019 23:43:18

Hill 16 - No Students Or Juveniles - 10 Like(s)

Replying To arock:  "Clearly spoken like a man who has never been next to near Hill 16, more rural myths."
I'll let you guess who owns this account. It's been doing the rounds all day having cracks at the Dubs on various threads.

Joxer (National) - 16/07/2019 23:46:22

Dublin Vs Kerry Replay - 10 Like(s)

Replying To TheHermit:  "Ah yes all our 37 titles were shams and sure don't we know only titles won in this decade count for anything, D GAA never existed before 2011. Pitiful stuff from the usual climate deniers but keep it up, they seem convinced too it's only conspiracy theorists in Kerry that are asking questions, lads the whole country is and has been for a long time. If only you had the decency to acknowledge the help you've been given perhaps public opinion would be less indignant. But no siege mentality and sneering is all ye can retreat to. It's been a long time since I bothered reading the Dublin forum but I'd be curious too the amount of Kerry posters that said congrats on there to ye after last Sat week and contrasted that with the amount of ye that came onto the Kerry forum to have a go or "commiserate" as most of ye called it. It tells its own story. Anyway it's back to the county championship for us and hoping to find a few more players that can make the step up. 2020 should be a massive year for Kerry."
Why be curious? Just have a look. If Kerry posters are consoling themselves in their defeat by coming onto the National Forum and questioning Dublin's success due to population and/or money then expect your own successes to be questioned also. It's only fair isn't it? Genuine Kerry posters, and there are some on here like Gerry, will be consoled by Dublin posters. WUMs and begrudgers may expect to be flamed.

Joxer (National) - 22/09/2019 16:21:06

Mayo V Kerry - 10 Like(s)

Replying To TheHermit:  "Well you brought up an AI form 40 years ago what's wrong with discussing a few from a few decades before? But I suppose for the johnny come lately supporters like yourself everything before 2011 is irrelevant."
But of course it's everything since 2011 that seems to have upset some Kerry posters for some reason. Population, home advantage are now suddenly issues. A Kerry man above is waxing lyrical about a Kerry team "hammering Dublin by 17 points" in 2009. Where was that match played, what was the population of Dublin at the time and how much money were Dublin receiving from Vodafone and HQ? Remember this was just two years before this remarkable team won their first AI yet if it isn't about the games since 2011 why were Kerry men not up in arms in 2009 when they "hammered" Dublin by 17 points? So it's everything since 2011 that some elements have a problem with is it not?

Joxer (National) - 09/07/2019 20:18:17

Stephen Cluxton - 10 Like(s)
It's always hard to comment on a Dublin player and not be accused of having the blue tinted glasses on but he is a one of a kind IMO. I watched him yesterday pluck a kid out of the Cusack stand, little guy handed over by his dad, and Clucko walked him around with him around with the team and then jogged the kid back over to his dad from the Hogan stand. He stopped again there for photos and to sign autographs. He could have been centre stage with the lads and the cup but instead he spent the victory lap with the kids and their parents. Apart from being a great shot stopper, his commanding presence in the air (fisting away, fielding), his revolutionising of the kick-out, his penalty stopping record, his ability to take 45s, his perfectionism and training ethic, the guy is just a great leader and class act. A true legend and I really hope that when he does hang up the boots that he becomes a member of the backroom team. His leadership and experience would be invaluable.

Joxer (National) - 15/09/2019 21:25:43

Kildare Maintain Underage Superiority In Leinster - 10 Like(s)

Replying To TheHermit:  "So it's not enough to post this in every second thread already going, you post up a new thread specially too? And they wonder why this forum is going to pot and is little more than the Dublin only club at this stage..."
But but the financial doping, population, Bertie's millions, referee decisions blah blah blah. How can it be that Dublin have been beaten by Kildare? I mean Dublin is a province isn't it? I mean that's the narrative isn't it? The millions upon millions of euros invested in Dublin. What's going on? This is impossible isn't it?

Joxer (National) - 06/07/2019 23:11:45

Meath V Dublin Leinster Final. - 10 Like(s)

Replying To GerryD:  "Dublin fan logic... - it's not about the money - it's not our fault we have a large population - Leitrim should use their pitiful playing and financial resources to challenge us - let's laugh and gloat at those less financially fortunate than us"
You must be 6 years old. You do realise that counties were much less well off than Dublin in the 90s and 00s. Oh and it may have struck you that Dublin is the capital, a quarter of the population lives there. It has always been the population centre. Peope just didn't appear on trees in the last 10 years. Whingers logic... - Dublin couldn't have gotten their act together in 2011 due to great organisation, hard work and shrewd appointments. It must have been all money - Dublin have a large population. How can this be fair when every other county has exactly the same population and there is no disparity between them? - money wins you Sam Maguire. It can't be explained by great grassroots work and organisation. The Brogans, Connollys, Cluxtons of this world were all manufactured when they were 8 and 9 back in 1996 when the GAA were throwing billions at Dublin. Oh wait! - Dublin couldn't have just put together a golden generation of players. I mean it's not possible. It has to be the money and the population. I mean, doesn't it. You need 1.6m to find 20 decent players. Ask Kerry. Oh wait! - our poor performance is all down to Dublin's money and population. I mean it's nothing to do with us. Dublin are great in Leinster so that explains why we're crap in Ulster, doesn't it?

Joxer (National) - 23/06/2019 22:17:54

The Dubs, The Monies & The Prejudices - 10 Like(s)

Replying To Crinigan:  "Kerry did indeed have a handier run to the semi-final. But 1) they didn't get 25 million in GAA/state aid + millions more in sponsorship 2) they didn't play every match in their home stadium."
No they were handed AIs instead. Check their run to the 1980 AI title. Even the current Meath team would have won that one. Of course you do realise that most of this current Dublin team are about 30 years old and were developed about 14-15 years ago. How many millions in GDF was pouring into Dublin in 2004?

Joxer (National) - 02/07/2019 21:57:56

The Dubs, The Monies & The Prejudices - 10 Like(s)

Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "I understand Dublin have a great away record. What is there away record like in All Ireland Finals? I don't want Dublin put on the road either. Dublin shouldn't be punished for any reason and should get home games when they are due. Dublin CB should build a stadium suitable to the needs of the county. This should be financed like every other county by which the Dublin CB pay for the stadium along with help from Croke Park and whatever grants are available."
You won't get any objections from Dublin fans on any of this. AI Finals have to be played in some county, who will then have an advantage, so why not at HQ in the biggest stadium in the capital? No problem playing semis outside of Dublin. I think it would be great and for the players, like 83 when we were lucky to draw with Cork in Croke Park only to go down to PUC and hammer them. I'm sure the Dublin players would like to get out of Croker and away from the hassle, media bashing and just play ball. They're very good at it you know.

Joxer (National) - 01/07/2019 10:59:43

Dublin Vs Kerry Replay - 9 Like(s)

Replying To mayo_123:  "12 steps who else but Dublin would get away with it but that said fair play great achievement congrats"
How many steps did Killian Spillane take for his goal in the drawn game? 8. I don't remember you on here whinging about it though.

Joxer (National) - 14/09/2019 23:29:54

The Dubs, The Monies & The Prejudices - 9 Like(s)

Replying To legendzxix:  "Is it like comparing dog years to human years? Is it like comparing scoring goals in the Dutch Football League to scoring goals in the English Premier League?"
I don't know but one title in a football province must be worth 10 in a hurling province. I mean 3 games to win an AI title and one of those games against a hurling county. Hand back the medals. 81 titles in Munster. I mean really. Time for the Rebels to rebel and get Kerry moved into Ulster.

Joxer (National) - 04/07/2019 15:28:12

David Gough To Referee The Final - 9 Like(s)

Replying To TheUsername:  "https://www.joe.ie/sport/referee-david-gough-has-objects-thrown-at-him-as-he-leaves-croke-park-pitch-reports-558245"
Wow. What's this Paidi called their fans again? Protest being organised for Fitzgerald Stadium apparently courtesy of the media frenzy created by Eamo and Aido. I really pity Gough here. Who would have thought that a Meath man would be accused by a Kerry man of favoring a group Dublin men. Amateur man just trying to do a voluntary job and his integrity is called into question without any basis for the charge.

Joxer (National) - 14/08/2019 18:47:03

The Dubs, The Monies & The Prejudices - 9 Like(s)

Replying To TheHermit:  "For me, this is about as best as I can articulate about the whole issue with Dublin and their dominance and how its been achieved. I suspect and indeed hope its how most other GAA supporters outside the Capital and now it seems quite a few in it are now feeling as the 5 in a row looks set in stone. To me it's as simple as this - money (by itself) does not create a Gooch or a Brogan - but money pays for the multiple of qualified youth coaches now plying their trades across Dublin, it pays for the strength and conditioning programmes, the skills coaches, the nutritionist and dieticians, the psychologists and physiotherapists all of which help raw talents deliver fully on their potential. Money pays for the army of backroom staff Dublin have, last count, they had 20-30 people on their books to again insure their team and its individual players play to their upmost potential. This is the huge background support to inter-county and potential inter-county players Dublin have, something which dwarfs what every other county had and which is paid for by hugely imbalanced grants structure supplied from a variety of streams. That's not counting the massive (in a GAA context) sponsorship by AIG and the what is it, 25 odd other official sponsors of Dublin including our state airline!! On top of this, in sports the world over playing at home in front of your own fans has been proven to be a significant advantage hence the away goals rule in the Champions League for example. Kerry have not lost a Championship game in Kerry since 1995. At the elite level of sport - the difference between success and failure is measured by fractions, by the 1 or 2%. At this stage it is beyond me how anyone can think the money and funding Dublin enjoy (which is vastly superior to any other county); the Home games they are handed; being officiated by referee's with strong links to Dublin and Dublin clubs and the benefits from other things like smaller commutes to collective training don't add up to give them to 1 or 2% advantage to get over the Mayo's and Kerry's over the past decade. Anyone who cannot see that elite inter-county football is not a level playing field because of what Dublin have, at this stage is a fool. No genuine GAA person thinks that Dublin are some team of charlatans that are winning because of money alone. We all appreciate they are a great team, with a great manager and some amazing players. But I ask anyone, are their players and is their team really superior to a Kerry 2004-09 or a Tyrone 2003-08? No, they aren't. And yet Dublin have dominated to an extent those two equally talented teams didn't. Why? For me the answer is what I've listed above. Kerry managed to get to 6 finals in a row, but they had tough away games, they had to deal with hostile referees, they didn't have any great financial assistance to pay for an army of backroom teams to look after them. The wear and tear of this meant they came up just short in finals like 05 and 08. If Kerry played all those games in Killarney you can beat we would have threatened a 4 or 5 in a row! My ultimate point is this - because of the artificial advantages (money, home games etc) bestowed on Dublin at the expense of their rivals, when they do unearth a great side, like they have this decade, they can dominate to an extent no other county with similar talented sides has done before or will hope to after. That's completely against the ethos of what the GAA is. It is something that completely undermines the tradition counties like Kerry have painstakingly built over 110 years. To be blunt Dublin haven't earned the dominance they've enjoyed. P.S. - I've seen a few Dublin posters over the last while throw out 'sure Micko's team were well looked after'. So just because they got a bit of money from advertising (which they went out and secured for themselves to go on some great team holidays), somehow that equates to the 17+ million that's been poured into Dublin's coffers? Get a grip lads!"
3 games to win an AI. Funds flowing in from the USA like the famine was still the rage in the Kingdom. Every player, coach and kit bag man given a pub or given a pot of gold for the privilege of having his name over it. There's a huge asterisk against a lot of those cheap AIs that made celebs and bags of money for a lot of Kerry men who could enjoy their smokes and a few pints from their own bar following their procession to another Sam, unlike this Dublin team of Trappist monks whose only enjoyment might be a glass of 7UP, diet 7UP, after a hard fought win in game 7, a semi, on the road to a final. Shame on real Kerry men for attempting to blot the snow white canvas that is the reputation of this greatest team of all time. And to think that we Dubs once thought that Kerry men knew their football. We've been duped. Shame on ye.

Joxer (National) - 02/07/2019 20:22:18