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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry group, Kepak, Club Tyrone (A collection of very wealthly Tyrone business people), Elvery's are examples of companies who have been required to fund All Ireland winning teams. Also counties along the West coast in particular have huge money making machines overseas - so big they'd almost require a chief executive to deal with the input/output and logistics of the work they do.
There was very little complaint about the money these companies or ex pats provided over the years; Dublin certainly didn't complain during their 16 years without an All Ireland. The GAA was actually a very small sport in it's own county in comparsion to it's population and the role of funding is make the GAA part of small communities within the larger urban areas.
If the funding is an issue then we will have serious problems in the future. This current crop of players though were well into the system before this funding or sponsorship came about. Where the money from AIG is useful is preparing the team to be the best it can be but figures don't show Dublin as spending significantly more in preparing teams than the other big counties.
Kerry group is one of the biggest multi-national companies in Ireland, in it's day of sponsoring Meath Kepak weren't a small company and Elvery's have also deep pockets. Tyrone have a multi-million pound training centre and train in more comfort than Dublin do. Mickey Harte always dismisses funding and senior Kerry people are careful of what is said because they know over the years their own counties have operated on a significantly higher scale than counties around them. Brolly talked about Derry being able to at least compete with Tyrone in his day but now due to the vast sums of money; Tyrone have become a superpower.
Sponsorship differences is an issue in the GAA and we are having a situation where counties are pulling away from smaller/medium size counties.
However it's not the reason why Dublin have won 5 in a row because there is a number of superpowers in the football championship - Dublin's main challengers are not exactly searching down the back of the sofa; they have very deep pockets themselves to prepare teams and ensure strength and conditioning mirrors professional sports teams.
The Kerry's, Mayo's, Tyrone's and possibly Donegal are counties who are very wealthly and I'm convinced if they had the team to beat Dublin, money wouldn't an issue. The fact is this Dublin team are a very special group who would have won multiple All Ireland's in any era - jealousy is obvious but the true facts related to the likes of Kerry Group / ex pat groups are not mentioned because it doesn't suit the narrative." Of course you are right - money has nothing to do with Dublin's success. It's difficult to understand why their country cousins can't understand that fact even after Horan explaining that all they needed to be successful like Dublin was to encourage more volunteers. Dead simple really.
Anyway Sam, is this the best Dublin team of the last six or seven years?
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 15/09/2019 17:44:47
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry group, Kepak, Club Tyrone (A collection of very wealthly Tyrone business people), Elvery's are examples of companies who have been required to fund All Ireland winning teams. Also counties along the West coast in particular have huge money making machines overseas - so big they'd almost require a chief executive to deal with the input/output and logistics of the work they do.
There was very little complaint about the money these companies or ex pats provided over the years; Dublin certainly didn't complain during their 16 years without an All Ireland. The GAA was actually a very small sport in it's own county in comparsion to it's population and the role of funding is make the GAA part of small communities within the larger urban areas.
If the funding is an issue then we will have serious problems in the future. This current crop of players though were well into the system before this funding or sponsorship came about. Where the money from AIG is useful is preparing the team to be the best it can be but figures don't show Dublin as spending significantly more in preparing teams than the other big counties.
Kerry group is one of the biggest multi-national companies in Ireland, in it's day of sponsoring Meath Kepak weren't a small company and Elvery's have also deep pockets. Tyrone have a multi-million pound training centre and train in more comfort than Dublin do. Mickey Harte always dismisses funding and senior Kerry people are careful of what is said because they know over the years their own counties have operated on a significantly higher scale than counties around them. Brolly talked about Derry being able to at least compete with Tyrone in his day but now due to the vast sums of money; Tyrone have become a superpower.
Sponsorship differences is an issue in the GAA and we are having a situation where counties are pulling away from smaller/medium size counties.
However it's not the reason why Dublin have won 5 in a row because there is a number of superpowers in the football championship - Dublin's main challengers are not exactly searching down the back of the sofa; they have very deep pockets themselves to prepare teams and ensure strength and conditioning mirrors professional sports teams.
The Kerry's, Mayo's, Tyrone's and possibly Donegal are counties who are very wealthly and I'm convinced if they had the team to beat Dublin, money wouldn't an issue. The fact is this Dublin team are a very special group who would have won multiple All Ireland's in any era - jealousy is obvious but the true facts related to the likes of Kerry Group / ex pat groups are not mentioned because it doesn't suit the narrative." Have you been hiding under a rock for the past 15 years. Get with it lad.
It's not about sponsorship.Nobody cares about the AIG funding - it's the 18 million handed to them by the GAA between 2007 and 2018. 18 million!!! (Nearest beneficiaries are Cork with 1.4 million in this period).... this is on top of the 5 million of public money given by Bertie Ahern just before this period.
Wake up.
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Replying To Crinigan: "Have you been hiding under a rock for the past 15 years. Get with it lad.
It's not about sponsorship.Nobody cares about the AIG funding - it's the 18 million handed to them by the GAA between 2007 and 2018. 18 million!!! (Nearest beneficiaries are Cork with 1.4 million in this period).... this is on top of the 5 million of public money given by Bertie Ahern just before this period.
Wake up." Ah so that is the reason the Dublin Hurlers have been so successful and won so much recently...
Thank you for the clarification on that.
Good man Cringe
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3724 - 15/09/2019 18:26:23
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Replying To Fionn: "Ah so that is the reason the Dublin Hurlers have been so successful and won so much recently...
Thank you for the clarification on that.
Good man Cringe" Dublin hurlers went from being a laughing stock on the level of Louth hurlers to regularly competing for Leinster titles (even won one). All thanks to GAA money also.
You of course think this is fair and for the good of the game I'm sure.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 15/09/2019 19:16:16
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Replying To Halfdinnerandraspberrycheesecake: "The ironic thing is not one of these Dublin players would be able to lace Colm O'Rourke's boots in his heyday. He was out on his own in a star studded Meath team. Even with the knee strapped up he'd be better than Dublin's best forward in 2019, and that was with more aggressive tackling and more physical games than we have nowadays. And constant fast ball coming towards him. None of this tappy solo stuff and pass back to a lad 20 yards behind you like Dublin indulge in now.
This athleticism argument is painful now. Easy to be constantly in the gym when you don't have four hour round trips to training." I don't think so Legend to be honest. I saw O'Rourke many times in the flesh when I was a lad in the 80s. He had a lovely lazy style about him but I always thought Stafford and Flynn were more deadly. Anyway none of these guys could shoot off both feet like the Mannions, Cons, Kevin Mcs, Cliffords and O'Sheas of this era. O'Rourke used to hobble around the pitch with more straps on his legs than an Egyptian mummy. No denying his eye for the posts but putting him in the same bracket as the top forwards today is way off the mark.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/09/2019 20:50:32
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Replying To Crinigan: "Dublin hurlers went from being a laughing stock on the level of Louth hurlers to regularly competing for Leinster titles (even won one). All thanks to GAA money also.
You of course think this is fair and for the good of the game I'm sure." Ah poor Louth. Very harsh on them.
Are you not satisfied with the Leinster title you stole from them and now you are slamming their hurlers too. Have you no heart at all. Shame on you ;o)
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3724 - 15/09/2019 20:52:42
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry group, Kepak, Club Tyrone (A collection of very wealthly Tyrone business people), Elvery's are examples of companies who have been required to fund All Ireland winning teams. Also counties along the West coast in particular have huge money making machines overseas - so big they'd almost require a chief executive to deal with the input/output and logistics of the work they do.
There was very little complaint about the money these companies or ex pats provided over the years; Dublin certainly didn't complain during their 16 years without an All Ireland. The GAA was actually a very small sport in it's own county in comparsion to it's population and the role of funding is make the GAA part of small communities within the larger urban areas.
If the funding is an issue then we will have serious problems in the future. This current crop of players though were well into the system before this funding or sponsorship came about. Where the money from AIG is useful is preparing the team to be the best it can be but figures don't show Dublin as spending significantly more in preparing teams than the other big counties.
Kerry group is one of the biggest multi-national companies in Ireland, in it's day of sponsoring Meath Kepak weren't a small company and Elvery's have also deep pockets. Tyrone have a multi-million pound training centre and train in more comfort than Dublin do. Mickey Harte always dismisses funding and senior Kerry people are careful of what is said because they know over the years their own counties have operated on a significantly higher scale than counties around them. Brolly talked about Derry being able to at least compete with Tyrone in his day but now due to the vast sums of money; Tyrone have become a superpower.
Sponsorship differences is an issue in the GAA and we are having a situation where counties are pulling away from smaller/medium size counties.
However it's not the reason why Dublin have won 5 in a row because there is a number of superpowers in the football championship - Dublin's main challengers are not exactly searching down the back of the sofa; they have very deep pockets themselves to prepare teams and ensure strength and conditioning mirrors professional sports teams.
The Kerry's, Mayo's, Tyrone's and possibly Donegal are counties who are very wealthly and I'm convinced if they had the team to beat Dublin, money wouldn't an issue. The fact is this Dublin team are a very special group who would have won multiple All Ireland's in any era - jealousy is obvious but the true facts related to the likes of Kerry Group / ex pat groups are not mentioned because it doesn't suit the narrative." While I agree that some rural western counties are very good at fundraising abroad with events in the UK and America due to their chronic historic emigration, I don't think it's remotely fair to compare that type of cap-in-hand approach (joined up with a hotel or a medium sized Irish business) to a massive multinational company in AIG who sponsor Man Utd and the All Blacks.
It doesn't stop there either. See this article for a list of Dublin's sponsors.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/latest-dublin-sponsorship-deal-highlights-widening-financial-gap-gaa-159420
I find it a whitewash when people try to throw the jealousy word into the equation during a reasonable argument. At the end of the day, it's possible to simultaneously admire Dublin's brilliance on the field while discussing their major advantages off the field, which go a considerable way to facilitating the on-field exploits. Again, I repeat that Dublin are wonderful to watch, with a gifted manager. I also again say that their consistency, resilience and conditioning are admirable. Funding issues aren't Dublin's responsibility, this is a GAA issue. However, all of that certainly doesn't sweep away the genuine question around a future model for funding inter county teams.
The modern business world has tapped into the 2 plus million people (market) who live in Dublin and they are a product like no other in the GAA, hence the size of the sponsors lining up to work with them instead of anyone else. The fanbase, allied with social media means that they are an entity unlike any other. So the question into the future is, how does anyone compete with that? Rural counties need answers; whether they provide them or the GAA does.i wouldn't hold my breath on the latter.
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Replying To Crinigan: "Dublin hurlers went from being a laughing stock on the level of Louth hurlers to regularly competing for Leinster titles (even won one). All thanks to GAA money also.
You of course think this is fair and for the good of the game I'm sure." No they didn't.
What an idiotic comment.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 15/09/2019 21:06:14
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Who cares anymore? A rigged competition. The rest of the country should boycott inter county football until the funding issue is addressed.
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Replying To MesAmis: "No they didn't.
What an idiotic comment." Sounds like someone's upset!!
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The most incredible thing about this run is that Dublin had only won 1 all ireland from 1984-2010 (27 campaigns) and then win 7 out of 9.
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Replying To LimerickKid84: "Sounds like someone's upset!!" Celebrating the "5 in row*" must be as hollow as it sounds.
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Replying To centerfield: "The most incredible thing about this run is that Dublin had only won 1 all ireland from 1984-2010 (27 campaigns) and then win 7 out of 9." Almost as if the financial doping started in 2005 worked you might say...
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Replying To qwerty368: "Who cares anymore? A rigged competition. The rest of the country should boycott inter county football until the funding issue is addressed." I wonder what you would know about funding, comments like yours and others are a disgrace,you know nothing about the gaa
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Replying To LimerickKid84: "Sounds like someone's upset!!" Calling out an idiotic comment is upsetting?
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Replying To qwerty368: "Who cares anymore? A rigged competition. The rest of the country should boycott inter county football until the funding issue is addressed." I'm amazed the other counties haven't threaten to boycott. I wonder if it's just that old Irish attitude of 'oh, it'll be grand!" If the French for instance had an equivalent of the GAA and the disparity in funding, they'd be out on strike en masse. Strange.
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Replying To hipster: "I wonder what you would know about funding, comments like yours and others are a disgrace,you know nothing about the gaa" The funding is well published.
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Replying To Crinigan: "Almost as if the financial doping started in 2005 worked you might say..." Think about it. They fail to win an all Ireland from the mid nineties, then the big money starts rolling in in 2007. Four years later, they make the big breakthrough! It's not rocket science to work out the coincidence. I haven't mentioned the Bertie grant up to now!
That said, it's not Dublin GAA's fault. Their hardly going to turn the money down. I just don't know how you fix it, it's a monster now. The Dubs might seem happy on the outside but they know that of this keeps going, there will inevitably be a split in the county to even it up, otherwise the other counties will simply give up. The attendances apart from the final are falling away.
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The Dubs having the cheek to suggest that anyone brings up the question of funding, doesnt know anything about the GAA. Lol the cheek. If it doesnt mean anything then why not remove said millions and give them to Cork or Antrim? After all these are bought all irelands.
HighStoolBandit (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 15/09/2019 22:04:28
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Replying To MesAmis: "Calling out an idiotic comment is upsetting?" If you're a "legend" from *Limerick, you have a warped sense of fact!
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 15/09/2019 22:06:35
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