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Kk might win Leinster and they might beat Galway and Waterford who in my opinion are 2of the other top 4 but I can't see them beating tipp this yr and couldn't before these opening league matches. Having said that there is a few teams that trouble tipp that maybe shouldn't so there's no certainty in anything yet. League hurling is league hurling championship is different and all that matters to most. someday (Limerick) - Posts: 1104 - 19/02/2017 21:18:54 1958416 Link
Replying To juniorjudge: "the end is now?? as they say in dublin...ahhh hayorrr" I thought it sounded dramatic as I was posting it. But this is the end of a great era of Kilkenny hurling. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/02/2017 21:54:18 1958436 Link
Yeah, might be an end of an era for Kilkenny. But in Kilkenny the time frame between eras tends to be on the thin side. They'll be in the mix. Think we'll have a great hurling championship this year. Expect Tipp to get stronger, Waterford and Galway are very close. Davy's move might free Clare up to express themselves and make Wexford more competitive at the same time. Kilkenny are Kilkenny. Cork, Limerick... Won't be long now lads! roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 19/02/2017 22:06:01 1958441 Link
Replying To roundball: "Yeah, might be an end of an era for Kilkenny. But in Kilkenny the time frame between eras tends to be on the thin side. They'll be in the mix. Think we'll have a great hurling championship this year. Expect Tipp to get stronger, Waterford and Galway are very close. Davy's move might free Clare up to express themselves and make Wexford more competitive at the same time. Kilkenny are Kilkenny. Cork, Limerick... Won't be long now lads!" Great championship? Looks to me like Tipp will win All Ireland in a canter. Leinster should be more competitive. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 20/02/2017 08:18:15 1958511 Link
Kilkenny's best 1-15 is still potentially quite strong but their panel is very thin in my opinion. Don't write them off just yet but they will need everyone fit to compete and at the minute even the players selected don't look physically fit. Some surprising positional calls by Cody too. Walsh at full back, Murphy centre and Joyce on the wing.....none of them suited to them positions in my opinion tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/02/2017 10:24:47 1958563 Link
In defence it looks like they're trying to put square pegs into round holes. Joyce was centre back of choice but got destroyed by Austin Gleeson in the drawn All-Ireland semi. JJ Delaney's place has never been properly replaced at fullback so they're very out of sorts there. Up until now people have focussed on their scoring forwards but their defence was the foundation for supremacy during the Cody era. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/02/2017 11:15:31 1958583 Link
Being at the game yesterday, the biggest worry for the cats was that when TJ's pen was saved, the fight went out of them and clare romped home. The 2 fennellys, awlyward, james maher and john power will add to that side, plus i think walsh can do a job at full back, but it will weaken the half back line as he is a class hurler. There is a serious lack of pace in their team though and if you think clare had no kelly, galvin, mcgrath, o connor or mcinerney, yesterday was a big worry. Leinster will be very open this summer which will be great. Tipp look to be a good bit ahead of everyone at moment though in overall scheme of things, their AI to lose but its early early days. Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 20/02/2017 11:29:18 1958592 Link
Replying To keeper7: "In defence it looks like they're trying to put square pegs into round holes. Joyce was centre back of choice but got destroyed by Austin Gleeson in the drawn All-Ireland semi. JJ Delaney's place has never been properly replaced at fullback so they're very out of sorts there. Up until now people have focussed on their scoring forwards but their defence was the foundation for supremacy during the Cody era." Very much so...square pegs into round holes. You just can't continue to lose the players they have in the last few years and still be as good. Problems were all over the field yday tho. Hogan, Reid, Kelly and Walsh only scored one point between them. In fact the 6 forwards only managed 2pts between them and Clare still have one or two to come back into that backline. Very much an unsettled looking team at the min in the sense Cody definitely doesn't know his strongest team tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/02/2017 11:50:04 1958612 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Great championship? Looks to me like Tipp will win All Ireland in a canter. Leinster should be more competitive." I have seen this idea that there will be no serious challenger to Tipp on here a couple of times and don't know what the thinking behind it is. Tipp were beaten by a point by Galway in 2015, and beat them by a point in 2016 so that is one obvious contender but in reality there are 5 or 6. As well as that you can never tell how teams will deal with success - some like the great Kilkenny side seemed to get hungrier the more they won, while other sides can get caught up in their own hype. It won't be until they are really tested this year that anyone will know what way Tipp will deal with it. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 20/02/2017 12:13:14 1958627 Link
if i have learned one thing,in my 40+ years,is rule kilkenny off,or write them off,at your peril. they will be stronger in the summer,you can absolutely be sure of that.they have a lot of talent to come back and in tj reid,richie hogan,fennellys,padraic walsh,joyce,ger aylward etc they have some players other counties dream of. i think kilkenny try to peak for september,not february.do not write them off,as we have learned repeatedly in wexford! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 20/02/2017 13:26:38 1958662 Link
Replying To Soma: "I have seen this idea that there will be no serious challenger to Tipp on here a couple of times and don't know what the thinking behind it is. Tipp were beaten by a point by Galway in 2015, and beat them by a point in 2016 so that is one obvious contender but in reality there are 5 or 6. As well as that you can never tell how teams will deal with success - some like the great Kilkenny side seemed to get hungrier the more they won, while other sides can get caught up in their own hype. It won't be until they are really tested this year that anyone will know what way Tipp will deal with it." Tipp generally don't put All-Irelands back-to-back but Michael Ryan seems to have that ruthless streak in him that Cody always had. I think he'll treat them mean & keep them keen. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/02/2017 17:48:48 1958805 Link
Replying To perfect10: "if i have learned one thing,in my 40+ years,is rule kilkenny off,or write them off,at your peril. they will be stronger in the summer,you can absolutely be sure of that.they have a lot of talent to come back and in tj reid,richie hogan,fennellys,padraic walsh,joyce,ger aylward etc they have some players other counties dream of. i think kilkenny try to peak for september,not february.do not write them off,as we have learned repeatedly in wexford!" I dunno. Kilkenny put a lot more into their pre-season this year (e.g. Hogan & Reid hurling in the Walsh Cup) than in the recent past & yet they've precious little to show for it. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/02/2017 17:51:34 1958806 Link
Replying To keeper7: "Tipp generally don't put All-Irelands back-to-back but Michael Ryan seems to have that ruthless streak in him that Cody always had. I think he'll treat them mean & keep them keen." Yeah, if I was a Tipp player I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of Mick Ryan. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/02/2017 18:03:11 1958812 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Great championship? Looks to me like Tipp will win All Ireland in a canter. Leinster should be more competitive." We scraped by a Galway team that last Joe Canning. We'll not be cantering to anything! roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 20/02/2017 19:13:19 1958852 Link
"The year is but a pup - we're only two games in" Michael Ryan At last, a calm and reasoned perspective. http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-fake-views-wont-faze-kilkenny-one-bit-35471397.html Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 02/03/2017 20:58:29 1962957 Link
Might even have a decent Leinster hurling championship! theduke66 (Dublin) - Posts: 334 - 02/03/2017 21:29:15 1962972 Link
Cats improved performance today or Cork poor? keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 05/03/2017 16:57:48 1963920 Link
Replying To keeper7: "Cats improved performance today or Cork poor?" the latter juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 05/03/2017 17:28:45 1963953 Link
Replying To keeper7: "Cats improved performance today or Cork poor?" both,anybody who thinks kilkenny about a league match in march is codding themselves,cody knows that he needs to experiment.i thought some of their younger guns,who he has pulled out of nowhere,were very good today,riche leahy looks a potential find as does paddy deegan. as i always say,write them off at your peril! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 05/03/2017 19:29:29 1964080 Link
Replying To perfect10: "both,anybody who thinks kilkenny about a league match in march is codding themselves,cody knows that he needs to experiment.i thought some of their younger guns,who he has pulled out of nowhere,were very good today,riche leahy looks a potential find as does paddy deegan. as i always say,write them off at your peril!" I agree those two lads plus that full forward will get better and better. Still expect to see them hurling in September. WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 05/03/2017 20:45:13 1964177 Link