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Well it is a proposition tbat can be argued. They are almost certainly the best team that ever came out of Munster."]For me, just my opinion, it's very hard to compare different eras. But as far as Munster goes the Cork team from 1941 to 1956 won 8 AIs from 10 appearances including a four in a row. The Tipp team from 1958 to 1968 won 5 AIs from 8 appearances, although John Doyle himself won 8 AI medals from 1949 to 1968, while Jimmy won 6 from 1958 to 1971. The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances. Certainly if they win the 5 in a row Id consider them better than the great Tipp team. To be considered better than the 40s/50s Cork team, or the Kilkenny team who won 8 AIs from 9 appearances from 2006 to 2015, or the Kilkenny team from 1904 to 1913 who win 7 AIs and mightve won one more had they not refused to take part in 1908, they'd want to win a few more AIs and keep appearing in a few more finals. Certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is."]I agree it's impossible to meaningfully compare teams (and indeed players) from different eras. The great teams from KK, Cork and Tipp in the past operated in a very different environment - difficult playing conditions, much heavier ball etc. It can be argued that the Munster and Leinster championships that they played in were not as competitive as nowadays. On the other hand, there was no "second chance" until 1997. One bad day and you were gone. The game and the structures have changed so much over the last few decades, but having said that, the current Limerick team, whether they achieve 5-in-a-row or not, will surely go down in history as one of the greatest of all time."]As I said, "certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is""]No point at all mentioning the Cork41 to 54, as only one 41 player was there even by 52 and the same with Tipp in 58 and 71. Two different teams in each case. You might as well say Limerick 18 to 40 were the same team which would be a nonsense."]Was Christy the only player to play in 41 and 56? Just say the Cork team of the 30s so. And the Tipp team of the 60s. 2 great teams all the same. It could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins."]"t could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins." They'd have been good, had they been allowed to be good! Keep the foot on the throat of Cork and Tipp while you have them down! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1912 - 07/04/2024 19:11:06 2536319 Link 0 |
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Well it is a proposition tbat can be argued. They are almost certainly the best team that ever came out of Munster."]For me, just my opinion, it's very hard to compare different eras. But as far as Munster goes the Cork team from 1941 to 1956 won 8 AIs from 10 appearances including a four in a row. The Tipp team from 1958 to 1968 won 5 AIs from 8 appearances, although John Doyle himself won 8 AI medals from 1949 to 1968, while Jimmy won 6 from 1958 to 1971. The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances. Certainly if they win the 5 in a row Id consider them better than the great Tipp team. To be considered better than the 40s/50s Cork team, or the Kilkenny team who won 8 AIs from 9 appearances from 2006 to 2015, or the Kilkenny team from 1904 to 1913 who win 7 AIs and mightve won one more had they not refused to take part in 1908, they'd want to win a few more AIs and keep appearing in a few more finals. Certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is."]I agree it's impossible to meaningfully compare teams (and indeed players) from different eras. The great teams from KK, Cork and Tipp in the past operated in a very different environment - difficult playing conditions, much heavier ball etc. It can be argued that the Munster and Leinster championships that they played in were not as competitive as nowadays. On the other hand, there was no "second chance" until 1997. One bad day and you were gone. The game and the structures have changed so much over the last few decades, but having said that, the current Limerick team, whether they achieve 5-in-a-row or not, will surely go down in history as one of the greatest of all time."]As I said, "certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is""]No point at all mentioning the Cork41 to 54, as only one 41 player was there even by 52 and the same with Tipp in 58 and 71. Two different teams in each case. You might as well say Limerick 18 to 40 were the same team which would be a nonsense."]Was Christy the only player to play in 41 and 56? Just say the Cork team of the 30s so. And the Tipp team of the 60s. 2 great teams all the same. It could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins."]"t could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins." They'd have been good, had they been allowed to be good! Keep the foot on the throat of Cork and Tipp while you have them down!"]CORK WON ONE All Ireland in the thirties Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 07/04/2024 20:39:53 2536355 Link 0 |
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Well it is a proposition tbat can be argued. They are almost certainly the best team that ever came out of Munster."]For me, just my opinion, it's very hard to compare different eras. But as far as Munster goes the Cork team from 1941 to 1956 won 8 AIs from 10 appearances including a four in a row. The Tipp team from 1958 to 1968 won 5 AIs from 8 appearances, although John Doyle himself won 8 AI medals from 1949 to 1968, while Jimmy won 6 from 1958 to 1971. The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances. Certainly if they win the 5 in a row Id consider them better than the great Tipp team. To be considered better than the 40s/50s Cork team, or the Kilkenny team who won 8 AIs from 9 appearances from 2006 to 2015, or the Kilkenny team from 1904 to 1913 who win 7 AIs and mightve won one more had they not refused to take part in 1908, they'd want to win a few more AIs and keep appearing in a few more finals. Certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is."]I agree it's impossible to meaningfully compare teams (and indeed players) from different eras. The great teams from KK, Cork and Tipp in the past operated in a very different environment - difficult playing conditions, much heavier ball etc. It can be argued that the Munster and Leinster championships that they played in were not as competitive as nowadays. On the other hand, there was no "second chance" until 1997. One bad day and you were gone. The game and the structures have changed so much over the last few decades, but having said that, the current Limerick team, whether they achieve 5-in-a-row or not, will surely go down in history as one of the greatest of all time."]As I said, "certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is""]No point at all mentioning the Cork41 to 54, as only one 41 player was there even by 52 and the same with Tipp in 58 and 71. Two different teams in each case. You might as well say Limerick 18 to 40 were the same team which would be a nonsense."]Was Christy the only player to play in 41 and 56? Just say the Cork team of the 30s so. And the Tipp team of the 60s. 2 great teams all the same. It could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins."]"t could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins." They'd have been good, had they been allowed to be good! Keep the foot on the throat of Cork and Tipp while you have them down!"]CORK WON ONE All Ireland in the thirties"]The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances Is it not 5 AIs from 5 appearances? stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 07/04/2024 21:20:34 2536367 Link 0 |
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Well it is a proposition tbat can be argued. They are almost certainly the best team that ever came out of Munster."]For me, just my opinion, it's very hard to compare different eras. But as far as Munster goes the Cork team from 1941 to 1956 won 8 AIs from 10 appearances including a four in a row. The Tipp team from 1958 to 1968 won 5 AIs from 8 appearances, although John Doyle himself won 8 AI medals from 1949 to 1968, while Jimmy won 6 from 1958 to 1971. The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances. Certainly if they win the 5 in a row Id consider them better than the great Tipp team. To be considered better than the 40s/50s Cork team, or the Kilkenny team who won 8 AIs from 9 appearances from 2006 to 2015, or the Kilkenny team from 1904 to 1913 who win 7 AIs and mightve won one more had they not refused to take part in 1908, they'd want to win a few more AIs and keep appearing in a few more finals. Certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is."]I agree it's impossible to meaningfully compare teams (and indeed players) from different eras. The great teams from KK, Cork and Tipp in the past operated in a very different environment - difficult playing conditions, much heavier ball etc. It can be argued that the Munster and Leinster championships that they played in were not as competitive as nowadays. On the other hand, there was no "second chance" until 1997. One bad day and you were gone. The game and the structures have changed so much over the last few decades, but having said that, the current Limerick team, whether they achieve 5-in-a-row or not, will surely go down in history as one of the greatest of all time."]As I said, "certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is""]No point at all mentioning the Cork41 to 54, as only one 41 player was there even by 52 and the same with Tipp in 58 and 71. Two different teams in each case. You might as well say Limerick 18 to 40 were the same team which would be a nonsense."]Was Christy the only player to play in 41 and 56? Just say the Cork team of the 30s so. And the Tipp team of the 60s. 2 great teams all the same. It could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins."]"t could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins." They'd have been good, had they been allowed to be good! Keep the foot on the throat of Cork and Tipp while you have them down!"]CORK WON ONE All Ireland in the thirties"]The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances Is it not 5 AIs from 5 appearances?"]This 'how poor Cork. Tipp and KK were since' 19' argument could be used against any great teams achievements. When Tipperary were flying high in the late Fifties/Early Sixties there was SFA in Cork, LIMERICK, Clare, Offaly or Laois and Waterford were the only other half decent team in Munster. When Cork won their Four in a row in the Forties they only beat Dublin and A trim in AIFs Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 08/04/2024 09:14:10 2536456 Link 0 |
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Well it is a proposition tbat can be argued. They are almost certainly the best team that ever came out of Munster."]For me, just my opinion, it's very hard to compare different eras. But as far as Munster goes the Cork team from 1941 to 1956 won 8 AIs from 10 appearances including a four in a row. The Tipp team from 1958 to 1968 won 5 AIs from 8 appearances, although John Doyle himself won 8 AI medals from 1949 to 1968, while Jimmy won 6 from 1958 to 1971. The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances. Certainly if they win the 5 in a row Id consider them better than the great Tipp team. To be considered better than the 40s/50s Cork team, or the Kilkenny team who won 8 AIs from 9 appearances from 2006 to 2015, or the Kilkenny team from 1904 to 1913 who win 7 AIs and mightve won one more had they not refused to take part in 1908, they'd want to win a few more AIs and keep appearing in a few more finals. Certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is."]I agree it's impossible to meaningfully compare teams (and indeed players) from different eras. The great teams from KK, Cork and Tipp in the past operated in a very different environment - difficult playing conditions, much heavier ball etc. It can be argued that the Munster and Leinster championships that they played in were not as competitive as nowadays. On the other hand, there was no "second chance" until 1997. One bad day and you were gone. The game and the structures have changed so much over the last few decades, but having said that, the current Limerick team, whether they achieve 5-in-a-row or not, will surely go down in history as one of the greatest of all time."]As I said, "certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is""]No point at all mentioning the Cork41 to 54, as only one 41 player was there even by 52 and the same with Tipp in 58 and 71. Two different teams in each case. You might as well say Limerick 18 to 40 were the same team which would be a nonsense."]Was Christy the only player to play in 41 and 56? Just say the Cork team of the 30s so. And the Tipp team of the 60s. 2 great teams all the same. It could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins."]"t could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins." They'd have been good, had they been allowed to be good! Keep the foot on the throat of Cork and Tipp while you have them down!"]CORK WON ONE All Ireland in the thirties"]The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances Is it not 5 AIs from 5 appearances?"]This 'how poor Cork. Tipp and KK were since' 19' argument could be used against any great teams achievements. When Tipperary were flying high in the late Fifties/Early Sixties there was SFA in Cork, LIMERICK, Clare, Offaly or Laois and Waterford were the only other half decent team in Munster. When Cork won their Four in a row in the Forties they only beat Dublin and A trim in AIFs"]That Cork team also beat Kilkenny by 9 points in 1946. And apart from Waterford, ourselves and Kilkenny had good teams in the 60s. By the way I didn't say those Cork or Tipp teams were better than the current Limerick team, I said firstly that it was hard to compare teams from different eras, secondly that if this current team win more AIs as I expect them to they would be the GOAT, and thirdly that even if they don't win any more they are still one of the greatest of all time as it is. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 08/04/2024 10:42:54 2536494 Link 0 |
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Well it is a proposition tbat can be argued. They are almost certainly the best team that ever came out of Munster."]For me, just my opinion, it's very hard to compare different eras. But as far as Munster goes the Cork team from 1941 to 1956 won 8 AIs from 10 appearances including a four in a row. The Tipp team from 1958 to 1968 won 5 AIs from 8 appearances, although John Doyle himself won 8 AI medals from 1949 to 1968, while Jimmy won 6 from 1958 to 1971. The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances. Certainly if they win the 5 in a row Id consider them better than the great Tipp team. To be considered better than the 40s/50s Cork team, or the Kilkenny team who won 8 AIs from 9 appearances from 2006 to 2015, or the Kilkenny team from 1904 to 1913 who win 7 AIs and mightve won one more had they not refused to take part in 1908, they'd want to win a few more AIs and keep appearing in a few more finals. Certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is."]I agree it's impossible to meaningfully compare teams (and indeed players) from different eras. The great teams from KK, Cork and Tipp in the past operated in a very different environment - difficult playing conditions, much heavier ball etc. It can be argued that the Munster and Leinster championships that they played in were not as competitive as nowadays. On the other hand, there was no "second chance" until 1997. One bad day and you were gone. The game and the structures have changed so much over the last few decades, but having said that, the current Limerick team, whether they achieve 5-in-a-row or not, will surely go down in history as one of the greatest of all time."]As I said, "certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is""]No point at all mentioning the Cork41 to 54, as only one 41 player was there even by 52 and the same with Tipp in 58 and 71. Two different teams in each case. You might as well say Limerick 18 to 40 were the same team which would be a nonsense."]Was Christy the only player to play in 41 and 56? Just say the Cork team of the 30s so. And the Tipp team of the 60s. 2 great teams all the same. It could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins."]"t could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins." They'd have been good, had they been allowed to be good! Keep the foot on the throat of Cork and Tipp while you have them down!"]CORK WON ONE All Ireland in the thirties"]The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances Is it not 5 AIs from 5 appearances?"]This 'how poor Cork. Tipp and KK were since' 19' argument could be used against any great teams achievements. When Tipperary were flying high in the late Fifties/Early Sixties there was SFA in Cork, LIMERICK, Clare, Offaly or Laois and Waterford were the only other half decent team in Munster. When Cork won their Four in a row in the Forties they only beat Dublin and A trim in AIFs"]That Cork team also beat Kilkenny by 9 points in 1946. And apart from Waterford, ourselves and Kilkenny had good teams in the 60s. By the way I didn't say those Cork or Tipp teams were better than the current Limerick team, I said firstly that it was hard to compare teams from different eras, secondly that if this current team win more AIs as I expect them to they would be the GOAT, and thirdly that even if they don't win any more they are still one of the greatest of all time as it is."]Thanks Vikking. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 08/04/2024 10:50:04 2536500 Link 0 |
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Well it is a proposition tbat can be argued. They are almost certainly the best team that ever came out of Munster."]For me, just my opinion, it's very hard to compare different eras. But as far as Munster goes the Cork team from 1941 to 1956 won 8 AIs from 10 appearances including a four in a row. The Tipp team from 1958 to 1968 won 5 AIs from 8 appearances, although John Doyle himself won 8 AI medals from 1949 to 1968, while Jimmy won 6 from 1958 to 1971. The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances. Certainly if they win the 5 in a row Id consider them better than the great Tipp team. To be considered better than the 40s/50s Cork team, or the Kilkenny team who won 8 AIs from 9 appearances from 2006 to 2015, or the Kilkenny team from 1904 to 1913 who win 7 AIs and mightve won one more had they not refused to take part in 1908, they'd want to win a few more AIs and keep appearing in a few more finals. Certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is."]I agree it's impossible to meaningfully compare teams (and indeed players) from different eras. The great teams from KK, Cork and Tipp in the past operated in a very different environment - difficult playing conditions, much heavier ball etc. It can be argued that the Munster and Leinster championships that they played in were not as competitive as nowadays. On the other hand, there was no "second chance" until 1997. One bad day and you were gone. The game and the structures have changed so much over the last few decades, but having said that, the current Limerick team, whether they achieve 5-in-a-row or not, will surely go down in history as one of the greatest of all time."]As I said, "certainly they are one of the greatest of all time as it is""]No point at all mentioning the Cork41 to 54, as only one 41 player was there even by 52 and the same with Tipp in 58 and 71. Two different teams in each case. You might as well say Limerick 18 to 40 were the same team which would be a nonsense."]Was Christy the only player to play in 41 and 56? Just say the Cork team of the 30s so. And the Tipp team of the 60s. 2 great teams all the same. It could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins."]"t could be argued that Limerick have been helped by how poor Tipp, Waterford and Cork have been since 2019."]In Round Robins." They'd have been good, had they been allowed to be good! Keep the foot on the throat of Cork and Tipp while you have them down!"]CORK WON ONE All Ireland in the thirties"]The current Limerick team has won 5 AIs from 6 appearances Is it not 5 AIs from 5 appearances?"]This 'how poor Cork. Tipp and KK were since' 19' argument could be used against any great teams achievements. When Tipperary were flying high in the late Fifties/Early Sixties there was SFA in Cork, LIMERICK, Clare, Offaly or Laois and Waterford were the only other half decent team in Munster. When Cork won their Four in a row in the Forties they only beat Dublin and A trim in AIFs"]That Cork team also beat Kilkenny by 9 points in 1946. And apart from Waterford, ourselves and Kilkenny had good teams in the 60s. By the way I didn't say those Cork or Tipp teams were better than the current Limerick team, I said firstly that it was hard to compare teams from different eras, secondly that if this current team win more AIs as I expect them to they would be the GOAT, and thirdly that even if they don't win any more they are still one of the greatest of all time as it is."]Thanks Vikking."]Having won 5 out of 6 and being so close to all ready achieving 5 and close to going for 6 makes make Limerick the greatest team since I watched my first in 1959. If we cannot have any say I will be plugging for them and then Clare. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 13/04/2024 23:40:48 2537709 Link 1 |