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Poor stuff last night and a poor campaign for the 20s.
0-14 wouldnt win you a bad game of football and this was played on a summers evening.
I wouldnt be faulting the players but the management shouldnt let off the hook so easily. This team were never going to be competing for all irelands but we were hammered by KK, drew with Laois at home and were beaten fairly comprehensively by Dublin last night. The management didnt pick or layout the team well from the outset and it was very hard to know what the game plan last night was. We didnt create any goal chance in 65 mins hurling against a team that were destroyed by Galway a few weeks ago.
The process for appointing this management team was a farce and this is the result of it, lessons need to be learnt from thsi because there are hurlers in this group who left Parnell park last night fairly drained of confidence after the under 20 season.
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If we beat Carlow does the Kilkenny game basically become a Leinster semi-final for us?
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Was in Parnell last night and it's definitely one that could have been won. Hole advantage probably tipped it for the Dubs and Darragh Kehoe would have been a loss. As mentioned already the group probably lacks scoring power and although they tried hard the found the seven Dublin backs hard to break through." Both teams a bit like both our seniors other than exceptional days. Reasonably good in most departments, but overly dependent on a good freetaker and lacking in forward power and particularly ability to get goals.
Too predictable maybe to pose a real challenge.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2683 - 09/05/2024 10:34:49
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Our best scoring forward being played out the field. Absolute madness. Why have a full forward line if you don't hit ball into them. Felt sorry for those guys. Effort was definitely there last night . U20 season really never took off. The way the management team was eventually appointed was a bad omen for what was coming. Agree that a couple of senior hurlers will come from that team which is ultimately what we want.
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 490 - 09/05/2024 11:00:49
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "If we beat Carlow does the Kilkenny game basically become a Leinster semi-final for us?" Looking at all the permutations I think it definitely looks like that . I think best case scenario before we play Carlow is:
Dublin narrowly beat Antrim
KK beat Carlow
Galway beat Antrim
Kilkenny beat Dublin
Then its up to us to beat Carlow
Going into the final round this would mean:
1. If ourselves and Dublin lose we would be tied on 5 points and it would go score difference for 3rd place
2. We win and Galway it creates a mini league between ourselves KK and Galway . We would be top and Kilkenny would be 2nd providing they less than 8 points.
3. If we draw we would go through in 3rd place on 6 points .
4. Ourselves and Galway lose we would be ahead of them in 3rd on head to head.
5. Ourselves and Dublin win it creates a mini league with ourselves KK and Dublin on 7 points . Wexford and Kilkenny final due to mini league points
A lot of permutations there and theres a lot of hurling to be played who knows maybe another shock or two ( Please god not involving us)
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Yeah I would agree with all of the above.
It was a hard watch to say the least.
No goal threat whatsoever.
Too many players not up to standard.
Lads played out of position.
Wide count way too high.
Failure to finish strongly when the game was in the melting pot.
Constantly running into roadblocks.
The referee was whistle happy and didn't let the game flow. Stop start all the time.
I couldn't believe how many times the ball went over the sideline.
Whelan and Rowley should make it onto the senior panel.
Overall a bad night for our u20s.
Hopefully next year's crop will do better.
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "If we beat Carlow does the Kilkenny game basically become a Leinster semi-final for us?" Depending on results for Dublin. However, you'd imagine KK will beat them but you never know this year.
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Looking at all the permutations I think it definitely looks like that . I think best case scenario before we play Carlow is:
Dublin narrowly beat Antrim
KK beat Carlow
Galway beat Antrim
Kilkenny beat Dublin
Then its up to us to beat Carlow
Going into the final round this would mean:
1. If ourselves and Dublin lose we would be tied on 5 points and it would go score difference for 3rd place
2. We win and Galway it creates a mini league between ourselves KK and Galway . We would be top and Kilkenny would be 2nd providing they less than 8 points.
3. If we draw we would go through in 3rd place on 6 points .
4. Ourselves and Galway lose we would be ahead of them in 3rd on head to head.
5. Ourselves and Dublin win it creates a mini league with ourselves KK and Dublin on 7 points . Wexford and Kilkenny final due to mini league points
A lot of permutations there and theres a lot of hurling to be played who knows maybe another shock or two ( Please god not involving us)" If we win out we are definitely in a Leinster final. We will have 7 points. For Galway and Kilkenny to join us on 7 it would mean Dublin can have max 5 if they beat Antrim, and Antrim can have max 6 if they beat Carlow and Dublin. If Galway and Kilkenny both lose to Antrim and Dublin, then Dublin could finish on 9, and Antrim on 6, but we would still be in a final. If Dublin lose to Antrim and Antrim beat Galway and Carlow, then Antrim will finish on 8, and Dublin 7, but we will likely have a better score difference than Dublin, as we already do have, and in that scenario theirs would be getting worse as they would be losing to Antrim.
Basically for us not make the final if we win our last 2 games Antrim would have to win out, and Dublin would have to hammer Kilkenny or Galway, or both.
We could finish 3rd on 5 points. But wheres the fun in that sort of speculation? And if we lose our last 2 games we could get relegated.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12247 - 09/05/2024 13:24:58
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Replying To Magpie2: "Yeah I would agree with all of the above.
It was a hard watch to say the least.
No goal threat whatsoever.
Too many players not up to standard.
Lads played out of position.
Wide count way too high.
Failure to finish strongly when the game was in the melting pot.
Constantly running into roadblocks.
The referee was whistle happy and didn't let the game flow. Stop start all the time.
I couldn't believe how many times the ball went over the sideline.
Whelan and Rowley should make it onto the senior panel.
Overall a bad night for our u20s.
Hopefully next year's crop will do better." There'd be a few of the lads who might.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12247 - 09/05/2024 13:26:33
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Replying To Heartandhand96: "Depending on results for Dublin. However, you'd imagine KK will beat them but you never know this year." If Dublin beat Kilkenny and Antrim we would still be in a Leinster final if we beat Carlow and Kilkenny. We would have the head to head on Galway and Kilkenny . All if buts and maybes for now. We need to fully focus on Carlow first then get ready to throw everything at Kilkenny
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 168 - 09/05/2024 13:44:41
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Replying To Viking66: "If we win out we are definitely in a Leinster final. We will have 7 points. For Galway and Kilkenny to join us on 7 it would mean Dublin can have max 5 if they beat Antrim, and Antrim can have max 6 if they beat Carlow and Dublin. If Galway and Kilkenny both lose to Antrim and Dublin, then Dublin could finish on 9, and Antrim on 6, but we would still be in a final. If Dublin lose to Antrim and Antrim beat Galway and Carlow, then Antrim will finish on 8, and Dublin 7, but we will likely have a better score difference than Dublin, as we already do have, and in that scenario theirs would be getting worse as they would be losing to Antrim.
Basically for us not make the final if we win our last 2 games Antrim would have to win out, and Dublin would have to hammer Kilkenny or Galway, or both.
We could finish 3rd on 5 points. But wheres the fun in that sort of speculation? And if we lose our last 2 games we could get relegated." So the only scenario where we win our last 2 games and fail to make the final is if Antrim win their last 3 games and Dublin beat Kilkenny and Galway? I agree Carlow is a big game and will provide a challenge . Win that it guarantees our place in Leinster next year, could be enough points for 3rd place and gives us a shot at making the Leinster final.
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 168 - 09/05/2024 14:03:34
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Replying To Afinestick96: "If Dublin beat Kilkenny and Antrim we would still be in a Leinster final if we beat Carlow and Kilkenny. We would have the head to head on Galway and Kilkenny . All if buts and maybes for now. We need to fully focus on Carlow first then get ready to throw everything at Kilkenny" If Dublin and ourselves beat Kilkenny they will only have 5 points. But you are 100% right, we have to beat Carlow, and focus fully on that, or we could be playing Joe Mac next year.
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Replying To Afinestick96: "So the only scenario where we win our last 2 games and fail to make the final is if Antrim win their last 3 games and Dublin beat Kilkenny and Galway? I agree Carlow is a big game and will provide a challenge . Win that it guarantees our place in Leinster next year, could be enough points for 3rd place and gives us a shot at making the Leinster final." That's the one
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12247 - 09/05/2024 14:23:59
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "Poor stuff last night and a poor campaign for the 20s.
0-14 wouldnt win you a bad game of football and this was played on a summers evening.
I wouldnt be faulting the players but the management shouldnt let off the hook so easily. This team were never going to be competing for all irelands but we were hammered by KK, drew with Laois at home and were beaten fairly comprehensively by Dublin last night. The management didnt pick or layout the team well from the outset and it was very hard to know what the game plan last night was. We didnt create any goal chance in 65 mins hurling against a team that were destroyed by Galway a few weeks ago.
The process for appointing this management team was a farce and this is the result of it, lessons need to be learnt from thsi because there are hurlers in this group who left Parnell park last night fairly drained of confidence after the under 20 season." That's a worrying enough report, a very poor u20 season. At least when Rossiter was in charge the team was well managed anyway and coached. How many of the panel this year were involved last year?
Most of those players were involved in county underage setups since they were 13 or 14 so surely should be capable of a better performance than scoring 0-14 on a summer evening in Parnell Park. Bit of an eye opener for the standard of player (and coach) development in the county in recent years.
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Replying To Magpie2: "Think Casey will start. He has the experience of having played in the league and championship this year and has a good scoring record. Tucker might be a little bit green to throw him in for this vital game.
I presume there will be an appeal to the leinster Council to get Cian Byrne's red card recinded.
I can't see that happening as most observers were adamant that it was a dangerous tackle and the referee made the correct decision.
Keith Rossiter is the only one I heard that felt that he didn't deserve to be sent off. I viewed it several times and to be honest a red card was warranted." No point appealing, if we attempt to they might make an example out of him.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 221 - 09/05/2024 18:04:35
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Replying To Timbertony: "That's a worrying enough report, a very poor u20 season. At least when Rossiter was in charge the team was well managed anyway and coached. How many of the panel this year were involved last year?
Most of those players were involved in county underage setups since they were 13 or 14 so surely should be capable of a better performance than scoring 0-14 on a summer evening in Parnell Park. Bit of an eye opener for the standard of player (and coach) development in the county in recent years." Not sure it's all on the players. Around 12 of them played for the u20s last year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12247 - 09/05/2024 21:06:27
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Replying To Timbertony: "That's a worrying enough report, a very poor u20 season. At least when Rossiter was in charge the team was well managed anyway and coached. How many of the panel this year were involved last year?
Most of those players were involved in county underage setups since they were 13 or 14 so surely should be capable of a better performance than scoring 0-14 on a summer evening in Parnell Park. Bit of an eye opener for the standard of player (and coach) development in the county in recent years." Kinda ironic though. I was in Parnell Park last year when the Dublin 20s gave us a lesson and beat us by 8 or 9 points. We ended up getting to the Leinster final.
This year we were way more competitive except for 10 mins period in second half.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 142 - 10/05/2024 08:47:35
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "Poor stuff last night and a poor campaign for the 20s.
0-14 wouldnt win you a bad game of football and this was played on a summers evening.
I wouldnt be faulting the players but the management shouldnt let off the hook so easily. This team were never going to be competing for all irelands but we were hammered by KK, drew with Laois at home and were beaten fairly comprehensively by Dublin last night. The management didnt pick or layout the team well from the outset and it was very hard to know what the game plan last night was. We didnt create any goal chance in 65 mins hurling against a team that were destroyed by Galway a few weeks ago.
The process for appointing this management team was a farce and this is the result of it, lessons need to be learnt from thsi because there are hurlers in this group who left Parnell park last night fairly drained of confidence after the under 20 season." And the disappointing thing is Dublin looked really poorly coached aswel.
Usually Dublin are very well drilled but this season their coaching doesn't look up to par at all.
If Wexford were anyway right they could have beaten Dublin on the night.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 746 - 10/05/2024 08:53:18
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them: https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025 linkHere's another: https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482 linkOkay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one. On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that. And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions."
Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on.
But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out.
You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't.
If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project.
zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: " Replying To Pikeman96: "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them: https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025 linkHere's another: https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482 linkOkay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one. On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that. And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions." Yes fair enough, I didn't know they cost 4m when I posted that. Is the figure of 4m definite? I thought Bekan cost 3m with the dome. Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on. But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out. You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't. If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project. zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there."
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