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Replying To foreveryoung: "This would be my Team of the Year
Goalkeeper: Eoin Murphy (Kilkenny)
Full-back line: Mikey Butler (Kilkenny), Huw Lawlor (Kilkenny), Dan Morrissey (Limerick)
Half-back line: Diarmaid Byrnes (Limerick), John Conlon (Clare), Kyle Hayes (Limerick)
Midfield: Darragh O'Donovan (Limerick), Willie O'Donoghue (Limerick)
Half-forward line: Tom Morrissey (Limerick), TJ Reid (Kilkenny), Shane O'Donnell (Clare)
Full-forward line: Aaron Gillane (Limerick), Conor Whelan (Galway), Eoin Cody (Kilkenny)
The Sunday Game crowd got it almost right.
I like Tyrrell's no-nonsense analysis. Canning was lamenting Tony Kelly's absence. Well, as Jackie pointed out, for the second year in a row, Tony never showed up for work against Mikey Butler. He must be surely sick of Mickey's pocket by now. Conlon had a superb year and played no. 6 throughout. TJ is all the superlatives that are used to describe him, and without doubt one of the finest hurlers we've ever seen, but it was a close call for me between himself and Lee Chin for the no. 11 position. Chin is a savage player." By Jackie Tyrrells logic would a lot of the Kilkenny lads fail to get an star then as they failed to show up on the biggest day? Reid was poor on Sunday & was held scoreless from play in both knock out games this year. Kelly scored from play and set up nearly a dozen more against Kilkenny. People seem to forget he was playing very deep after Ryan Taylor got injured.
The scoring stats from play this year tell the story, Kelly scored 5-22 from play and only 2 players, Cody & Whelan, are ahead of him. Kelly didn't get to play the likes of Westhmeath or Antrim either. There is no way TJ can get an all star ahead of TK based in their 6 championship games each this year.
Pjm111 (Clare) - Posts: 8 - 25/07/2023 09:39:03
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Replying To Pjm111: "By Jackie Tyrrells logic would a lot of the Kilkenny lads fail to get an star then as they failed to show up on the biggest day? Reid was poor on Sunday & was held scoreless from play in both knock out games this year. Kelly scored from play and set up nearly a dozen more against Kilkenny. People seem to forget he was playing very deep after Ryan Taylor got injured.
The scoring stats from play this year tell the story, Kelly scored 5-22 from play and only 2 players, Cody & Whelan, are ahead of him. Kelly didn't get to play the likes of Westhmeath or Antrim either. There is no way TJ can get an all star ahead of TK based in their 6 championship games each this year." *set up nearly half a dozen against Kilkenny
Pjm111 (Clare) - Posts: 8 - 25/07/2023 10:00:33
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Replying To Pjm111: "By Jackie Tyrrells logic would a lot of the Kilkenny lads fail to get an star then as they failed to show up on the biggest day? Reid was poor on Sunday & was held scoreless from play in both knock out games this year. Kelly scored from play and set up nearly a dozen more against Kilkenny. People seem to forget he was playing very deep after Ryan Taylor got injured.
The scoring stats from play this year tell the story, Kelly scored 5-22 from play and only 2 players, Cody & Whelan, are ahead of him. Kelly didn't get to play the likes of Westhmeath or Antrim either. There is no way TJ can get an all star ahead of TK based in their 6 championship games each this year." I'd agree with this. There's a bit of nonsense going around about Kelly going missing in the semi-final. It wasn't his best game, but he got a big score and set up many more. All while playing very deep. He was very consistent in proper contests in Munster too.
In 8 championship matches, TJ scored 2-12 from play. Both goals came in a rout of Antrim. In terms of point scoring from play, it's an average of 1.5 points per game. His highest points tally from play was 4, in another hammering of Westmeath.
He obviously does more than just score, but I think there were a number of better forwards than him this year. Let me put it this way. If a less heralded player had the same year as TJ, I'd very much doubt he'd be getting tipped for an All-Star.
This might seem like a dig. It's not at all, just my thoughts on his year as a whole. He's one of the best, if not the best forward I've seen in my lifetime.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2043 - 25/07/2023 11:22:08
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Replying To Pjm111: "By Jackie Tyrrells logic would a lot of the Kilkenny lads fail to get an star then as they failed to show up on the biggest day? Reid was poor on Sunday & was held scoreless from play in both knock out games this year. Kelly scored from play and set up nearly a dozen more against Kilkenny. People seem to forget he was playing very deep after Ryan Taylor got injured.
The scoring stats from play this year tell the story, Kelly scored 5-22 from play and only 2 players, Cody & Whelan, are ahead of him. Kelly didn't get to play the likes of Westhmeath or Antrim either. There is no way TJ can get an all star ahead of TK based in their 6 championship games each this year." Tyrrell pundits like he hurled: hard, straight and direct. Going by some of the comments on here, you'd swear Jackie picked the whole team by himself. One person one vote still applies.
On the program it was said about the half-forward line "No disagreement" among the panelists. So, where does Joe Canning want to position Tony Kelly?
As regards the argument that the KK lads don't deserve 5, it has some merit, but that Galway should have the same number of players on the team as KK has no merit at all. It's actually nonsensical.
Murphy, Lawlor and Eoin Cody are nailed on starters. Whelan is the only such Galway player. Mikey Butler? I support Limerick and would love to see Mike Casey win an AS as he's the only regular Limerick starter over the Kiely period to not have won one (Reidy became a regular starter this year), but being objective I would have Butler ahead of him, and also ahead of Nash, who I consider to be a better player overall, just not this year.
TJ? Yes, I did say that his year wasn't near what he's done in other years. Still, he's right there to be picked ahead of Tony Kelly, Burke from Dublin, or Lee Chin. If anyone of these were to be picked ahead of TJ, I'd have no qualms, and vice-versa.
So, it isn't Tyrrellism that has 5 KK men on the team. It's merit. I did like how he explained why Tony Kelly didn't make the team: an honest direct answer, instead of the bland, afraid to offend people answers that much punditry has descended to (and especially in the football analysis).
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1920 - 29/07/2023 16:29:38
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Tyrrell pundits like he hurled: hard, straight and direct. Going by some of the comments on here, you'd swear Jackie picked the whole team by himself. One person one vote still applies.
On the program it was said about the half-forward line "No disagreement" among the panelists. So, where does Joe Canning want to position Tony Kelly?
As regards the argument that the KK lads don't deserve 5, it has some merit, but that Galway should have the same number of players on the team as KK has no merit at all. It's actually nonsensical.
Murphy, Lawlor and Eoin Cody are nailed on starters. Whelan is the only such Galway player. Mikey Butler? I support Limerick and would love to see Mike Casey win an AS as he's the only regular Limerick starter over the Kiely period to not have won one (Reidy became a regular starter this year), but being objective I would have Butler ahead of him, and also ahead of Nash, who I consider to be a better player overall, just not this year.
TJ? Yes, I did say that his year wasn't near what he's done in other years. Still, he's right there to be picked ahead of Tony Kelly, Burke from Dublin, or Lee Chin. If anyone of these were to be picked ahead of TJ, I'd have no qualms, and vice-versa.
So, it isn't Tyrrellism that has 5 KK men on the team. It's merit. I did like how he explained why Tony Kelly didn't make the team: an honest direct answer, instead of the bland, afraid to offend people answers that much punditry has descended to (and especially in the football analysis)." Tony Kelly is an exceptional player no doubt, but I don't feel he had near the same impact outside munster.
He has way more in the tank than he showed this season.
There was a time when all stars were selected from the league right through, now the teams are made up from the finalists with maybe 2 or 3 from the beaten semi finalists if you're lucky.
That's the difference.
They're no longer an individual achievement. It's basically a team award.
Take Paul codd as an example. Frequently top scorer in the championship at a time when wexford were going nowhere, as a result he's barely known outside wexford.
Antrim, Laois, Dublin, even down have had players like this down the years
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2677 - 30/07/2023 09:42:44
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Tony Kelly is an exceptional player no doubt, but I don't feel he had near the same impact outside munster.
He has way more in the tank than he showed this season.
There was a time when all stars were selected from the league right through, now the teams are made up from the finalists with maybe 2 or 3 from the beaten semi finalists if you're lucky.
That's the difference.
They're no longer an individual achievement. It's basically a team award.
Take Paul codd as an example. Frequently top scorer in the championship at a time when wexford were going nowhere, as a result he's barely known outside wexford.
Antrim, Laois, Dublin, even down have had players like this down the years" That's true. Brian McMahon from this parish got a well deserved All Star in 1990 even though Dublin had only beaten your fellas to get to Leinster final in which they lost fairly tamely to Offaly.
Especially with there being more games there are a few lads from Waterford, Westmeath and others who had good years and deserved at least the acknowledgement of a nomination.
I probably shouldn't say this but I know a former Dublin footballer of years back who didn't even know what he'd done with his statue he got! It means very little maybe to lads who have All Irelands in back pocket compared to lads who only have the recognition of their peers.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 30/07/2023 11:37:25
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Tyrrell pundits like he hurled: hard, straight and direct. Going by some of the comments on here, you'd swear Jackie picked the whole team by himself. One person one vote still applies.
On the program it was said about the half-forward line "No disagreement" among the panelists. So, where does Joe Canning want to position Tony Kelly?
As regards the argument that the KK lads don't deserve 5, it has some merit, but that Galway should have the same number of players on the team as KK has no merit at all. It's actually nonsensical.
Murphy, Lawlor and Eoin Cody are nailed on starters. Whelan is the only such Galway player. Mikey Butler? I support Limerick and would love to see Mike Casey win an AS as he's the only regular Limerick starter over the Kiely period to not have won one (Reidy became a regular starter this year), but being objective I would have Butler ahead of him, and also ahead of Nash, who I consider to be a better player overall, just not this year.
TJ? Yes, I did say that his year wasn't near what he's done in other years. Still, he's right there to be picked ahead of Tony Kelly, Burke from Dublin, or Lee Chin. If anyone of these were to be picked ahead of TJ, I'd have no qualms, and vice-versa.
So, it isn't Tyrrellism that has 5 KK men on the team. It's merit. I did like how he explained why Tony Kelly didn't make the team: an honest direct answer, instead of the bland, afraid to offend people answers that much punditry has descended to (and especially in the football analysis)." Tyrells explanation was good . Except that he referenced last years semi performance for Tony Kelly. 2022 performance should be irrelevant for 2023 selection.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 30/07/2023 11:39:03
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