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Kerry and Dublin supporters think we are poor losers after the two semifinals at the weekend so can any of you remember the underdog winning an intercounty semifinal or final after getting the rub of the green from the ref. I mean real underdogs not like a mayo versus galway i mean in a match similar to the weekend where you had in most peoples eyes two teams with no hope of victory. I only attended one in my lifetime Cavan v Derry in the 1997 ulster final where Derry were one of the favourites for the all ireland and we were Cavan. Cavan were awarded one point in the first half which was a foot out side the post and in the very last play the cavan backs foul. We won the game by one point. We have been on the other end of such calls on numerous occasions not least 2020 final v Donegal where ref got 7 major decisions wrong including 2 black cards which he admitted to afterwards. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 457 - 18/07/2023 17:11:01 2495476 Link 0 |
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Maybe go become a ref, maybe you are the answer to the problem of bad refereeing. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 18/07/2023 17:25:54 2495481 Link 5 |
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Excellent reply. Why would you create a post looking to blame a ref for losing a game and try and get away with it by calling it the rub of the green.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1684 - 18/07/2023 17:51:16 2495484 Link 0 |
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All teams in close matches need the rub of the green in all sports. Referees decisions usually balance themselves out over the 70 minutes. On Sunday the shoulder on Mc Guigan in some people's eyes wasn't a free and Derry got a point, likewise with the Kerry keeper , some say foul some say no foul. That's sport.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2023 - 18/07/2023 18:19:10 2495492 Link 1 |
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I see you did not understand my post as the example i gave was of one of the very few times that i have seen a game won by an underdog who got the rub of the green from the ref as the panel on the sunday game said the refs got nearly all the calls right at the weekend as did the ref in the 1997 ulster final but the two decisions he or his team got wrong won Cavan the game on the day after what was also a great performance from them. On Sunday the two points that Dublin got from very soft frees when the game was a draw coupled with Derry inexperience sealed the deal for Dublin. Decisions made by the ref when the game is in the melting pot regardless of how he has performed earlier in the match decide many games ie you cant give a 20 yard free in front of the goals with 8 minutes left unless you are 100 percent sure it is a foul as you might as well kick the ball over the bar. I have one example of the underdog winning i could give you 20 plus examples of the big guns getting the rub of the green and the problem is not bad referees they can get 98 of the calls right but the vital decisions that decide the game always go the one way breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 457 - 18/07/2023 20:54:40 2495507 Link 1 |
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What a surprise. A Dublin fan comes on and accuses others of being paranoid. Dublin and Kerry have undoubtedly been the main beneficiaries of decisions from officials over the years. Croke Park are frightened to annoy either of these counties and are delighted they're both in the final. Both Derry and Monaghan were on the receiving end of poor calls that ultimately did affect the final score in both games. However the GAA and media will just whistle Dixie and look the other way as they always have done. 'Nothing to see here' is their mantra.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9719 - 18/07/2023 21:11:03 2495508 Link 6 |
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Well Kerry fans would definitely argue that rank outsiders Offaly got the rub of the green in 1982, winning Sam with the late Darby Goal being allowed, should have been a free out for a push say Kerry who were going for 5 in a row, great goal say Offaly!!! Naturally there is always more focus on the calls that go against the losers and little analysis of the bad calls that go against the winners. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 687 - 18/07/2023 21:35:25 2495513 Link 1 |
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You're forgetting Larry really hopping the ball twice in succession before kicking the ball over the bar
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 924 - 18/07/2023 23:20:21 2495521 Link 0 |
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The original post talks about referee getting 7 calls wrong. Says who? How many calls did players get wrong that day?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 19/07/2023 17:00:17 2495692 Link 1 |
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I care not 1 jot for Dublin football.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 19/07/2023 17:00:49 2495693 Link 1 |
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No push by Darby. It was over 40 years ago, Kerry have won a lot more than Offaly since that game.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1757 - 19/07/2023 17:16:13 2495699 Link 0 |
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Ref himself admitted he got the two major calls ie the two black cards wrong
breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 457 - 19/07/2023 17:22:54 2495701 Link 0 |
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A soft free went a long way to deciding last years All-Ireland football final, and it wasn't the underdogs that benefited.... streaker (Galway) - Posts: 498 - 19/07/2023 17:31:28 2495705 Link 1 |
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Almost agree sligo joe but in the 80 ies you had to get the head knocked of you before you got a free from any ref.
breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 457 - 19/07/2023 17:32:39 2495706 Link 0 |
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Mabe take another look at the Kerry / Derry game . Joe was very much for Derry ( and I was hoping for a derry win )
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 19/07/2023 18:28:00 2495715 Link 0 |
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I know the well trotted out line is ' it balances out over the game' well try telling that to Offaly supporters after the u-20 hurling final….they were underdogs and they got very little protection from the referee, ALL through the game. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 19/07/2023 22:16:37 2495731 Link 1 |
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Referees have a huge influence on games and very often get things wrong, especially in Hurling. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2749 - 19/07/2023 23:23:36 2495737 Link 0 |
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Bloke from county who habitually gets favourable decisions sneers at people from countries who habitually don't get soft calls lol. Mind you, sometimes the ref is OK. For instance, Kerry hammered Tyrone, fair and square recently - we were rubbish, and the ref had zero to do with it. It however tends to be a feature of closer games, where the ref feels that the big-name team needs a bit of help to keep them in it, a soft free here and there. Against Monaghan, you got some soft frees to keep you in touch, e.g., in the 35th, 42nd and 61st minutes. Kerry got away with murder v Derry. McGuigan was emptied every time he got the ball. There'd rightly have been a national uproar if Derry had targeted Clifford in a similar manner. Kerry's goalie should have been red-carded, unless jumping with your hip bone into someone's face is now an accepted part of Gaelic football. Generally, I counted 16 nonsense decisions favouring Kerry at the weekend. Soft free after soft free, and similar ones not given the other way. Even at the very end, in the 68th minute, the Derry lad was hit hard (red card) to make him spill the ball, which was then picked up for a Kerry score. But it came off a blatant foul. And even in the 71st minute, the ref ignored an obvious 45. Anyone could see what was going on. You need to face reality though. The GAA has a weird culture of prejudice against underdogs. If you took an FA cup in England, where a non-traditional cup team was pitched against a Man City, Man Utd etc, the vast majority of soccer fans in England would relish seeing the underdog prevailing against the big name. Yet, consistently, down the years, every time there is a possibility of a Dublin-Kerry final, the press and lots so-called neutral GAA fans are united in their concern that an underdog might prevail. "What everyone wants is a Dublin-Kerry final", runs the mantra. This is always referred to as a final "for the purists", as if any other team's presence on the big day would constitute some sort of contaminant. Essentially, the rest of the country are natural born losers, absurdly deferential to tradition and to big names. And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see how that general national mindset affects referees and translates into the big names invariably getting the benefit of any soft calls going. You can't see this, obviously. It's a non-issue for you. Obviously - you benefit from it. points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 244 - 20/07/2023 08:06:53 2495744 Link 3 |
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But it didn't really though did it?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1387 - 21/07/2023 09:31:05 2495921 Link 0 |
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Do you ever give it a rest? If there hadn't been teams from Ulster and the same thing happened would you have been as worried? Would you be ranting like you always do? It's funny how you made no comment on calls that went Derrys way. Or any Ulster teams. But no you'll just keep playing the victim card and how everyone is out to get everyone from Ulster. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1387 - 21/07/2023 09:35:29 2495925 Link 0 |