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I would imagine most here listen to the We Are Cavan Podcast so I said I'd start a thread on it. They had two excellent discussions with Paul Brady and Declan Coyle recently.

Declan Coyle's was very informative in relation to discussing how important positivity is and training players to make the right decision at the right time.

That said, I was annoyed this week to hear Caoimhin O'Reilly described as one of Cavan's ten best players. While I don't like discussing individuals, I can't understand where that opinion has come from - this is a player who made his debut in 2016 vs Tipp and has failed to hold down a starting position under two successive managers.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 01/01/2020 12:05:41    2256722

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I would agree with your post, and your comments on their over-egging of players comment in particular.

The information on the podcast is very informative generally for those who do not get to many games, and overall its worth a listen but I made a similar complaint a few months back about a young Gowna player getting put above his station on the podcast. Which was took as a personal attack but was not intended as such.

I think the same guy (of the two who host the podcast), it is generally always the one guilty of the over-statements and over-optimism.

There's a kind of a good cop bad cop routine to it now, and whether thats on purpose or not I couldn't say.

But the bad cop at least seems to be growing increasingly frustrated with the current goings on in the county and as a result is starting to provide some realism to go with the inside information.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 221 - 02/01/2020 12:55:20    2256862

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The Cavan Gaa media should address the following concerns.

Why have Cavan failed on 49 of the last 50 attempts to win Ulster?

Why do Cavan have such a high annual turnover of players compared to other counties?

Why have four Ulster U21 winning teams not made an impact at senior level?

Why do Cavan clubs get routinely hammered in the Ulster club championship?


There is a really naive sense of over optimism in Cavan, but why does each year always ends the same way?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 02/01/2020 13:43:51    2256880

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "The Cavan Gaa media should address the following concerns.

Why have Cavan failed on 49 of the last 50 attempts to win Ulster?

Why do Cavan have such a high annual turnover of players compared to other counties?

Why have four Ulster U21 winning teams not made an impact at senior level?

Why do Cavan clubs get routinely hammered in the Ulster club championship?


There is a really naive sense of over optimism in Cavan, but why does each year always ends the same way?"
Those arent simple questions to answer and I am sure there are multiple reasons. The County Board surely have a part to play, the clubs, County manager but so do the Cavan players themselves who refuse to put in what it requires to succeed. Players dont get a pass anymore in my opinion.

benbulbenhead (Sligo) - Posts: 52 - 02/01/2020 17:12:33    2256937

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "The Cavan Gaa media should address the following concerns.

Why have Cavan failed on 49 of the last 50 attempts to win Ulster?

Why do Cavan have such a high annual turnover of players compared to other counties?

Why have four Ulster U21 winning teams not made an impact at senior level?

Why do Cavan clubs get routinely hammered in the Ulster club championship?


There is a really naive sense of over optimism in Cavan, but why does each year always ends the same way?"
I wouldn't think it's the role of the media to answer that. They are questions they should be asking of the county board though. Although Paul Fitzpatrick did say last week that he and a former player were looking into the high drop out rate and the County Board scuppered him doing that and took it over.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 02/01/2020 21:12:04    2256981

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "I wouldn't think it's the role of the media to answer that. They are questions they should be asking of the county board though. Although Paul Fitzpatrick did say last week that he and a former player were looking into the high drop out rate and the County Board scuppered him doing that and took it over."
Pretty sure that was Alan O Meara.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 02/01/2020 22:48:11    2257010

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "I wouldn't think it's the role of the media to answer that. They are questions they should be asking of the county board though. Although Paul Fitzpatrick did say last week that he and a former player were looking into the high drop out rate and the County Board scuppered him doing that and took it over."
Lads don't get overly negative as most counties have their drop outs. This year Monaghan will be without players such as Davy Garland, Paudie McKenna, David McAllister & Barry Kerr, while Stephen O'Hanlon is concentrating on his basketball career. All squad players, while latter 3 in particular would have been first 15 this year in my opinion.

There are probably others too that I have omitted !

Maybe a few additions yet to come from Magheracloone & Blackhill, our Ulster club winners at intermediate & junior levels.......here's hoping. But maybe these young fellas won't wish to commit either for the year, having had too much football already !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 168 - 03/01/2020 16:48:17    2257131

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The county board would want to look at themselves. That report could have been extremely useful for cavan football. In relation to the pod I think the two boys are brilliant I love listening to them. There never afraid to say it as it Is despite probably being friendly with a lot of the team etc.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 139 - 03/01/2020 16:50:10    2257132

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Replying To blueskies:  "The county board would want to look at themselves. That report could have been extremely useful for cavan football. In relation to the pod I think the two boys are brilliant I love listening to them. There never afraid to say it as it Is despite probably being friendly with a lot of the team etc."
I think players' abilities are overestimated though. Michael Hannon is the best judge of a player and when on the podcast sometimes brings the regular pair down to earth but then he isn't on the podcast enough because, I'd imagine, he has other commitments. It also can't be easy for him to comment on teams when involved with Crosserlough.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 04/01/2020 16:10:17    2257309

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "I think players' abilities are overestimated though. Michael Hannon is the best judge of a player and when on the podcast sometimes brings the regular pair down to earth but then he isn't on the podcast enough because, I'd imagine, he has other commitments. It also can't be easy for him to comment on teams when involved with Crosserlough."
Maybe or maybe not, these same players were winning Ulsters for fun so surely the potential is there. The last team to win 4 ulster U21s in a row were Tyrone and that team pretty much went on to win a few sams. Something is rotten in Cavan that allowed all this to fall apart. I believe the players were/are there but they wont play. Its nothing to do with over hype on a podcast

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 04/01/2020 19:54:03    2257371

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Replying To fredflint:  "Maybe or maybe not, these same players were winning Ulsters for fun so surely the potential is there. The last team to win 4 ulster U21s in a row were Tyrone and that team pretty much went on to win a few sams. Something is rotten in Cavan that allowed all this to fall apart. I believe the players were/are there but they wont play. Its nothing to do with over hype on a podcast"
The players aren't there. The sooner we acknowledge that and try and get to the bottom of why this is the case (ie having the worst club championship in Ulster) the better.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 307 - 04/01/2020 20:36:11    2257386

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Replying To fredflint:  "Maybe or maybe not, these same players were winning Ulsters for fun so surely the potential is there. The last team to win 4 ulster U21s in a row were Tyrone and that team pretty much went on to win a few sams. Something is rotten in Cavan that allowed all this to fall apart. I believe the players were/are there but they wont play. Its nothing to do with over hype on a podcast"
We won four Ulsters in a row but never won an All Ireland. Compare that to Tyrone who won one Ulster U21 in 2015 and delivered an All Ireland. You also need to compare that those Tyrone players were going into a settled Tyrone team who have been competing at Ulster for the last 20 years.
Our U21 players were going into a poor county setup which had just missed out on relegation to Division 4 by the skin of their teeth. Try and watch a video of Cavan vs Offaly in the League in 2012 if you could find it. We were at a level where we were losing to Offaly at home.
We also used a system at U21 level which is now outdated. Playing men behind the ball won't work anymore. The game has evolved.
These batch of players have got us to being a higher level Division 2, low level Division 1 team but another batch are needed in support to move us onto the next level.
What amazes me is on the podcast this week again the pair of lads are bemoaning the players that have left yet they spent most of the latter end of last Summer referencing the attitude in the camp with the party bus and postings on Instagram of players out after League losses.
There's no point complaining about an item and then standing on the other side of the fence when one player who left has directly referenced to them that the manager wants to change the attitude in the camp.
Surely changing the attitude in there and players leaving is going to go hand in hand.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 05/01/2020 10:14:20    2257453

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "We won four Ulsters in a row but never won an All Ireland. Compare that to Tyrone who won one Ulster U21 in 2015 and delivered an All Ireland. You also need to compare that those Tyrone players were going into a settled Tyrone team who have been competing at Ulster for the last 20 years.
Our U21 players were going into a poor county setup which had just missed out on relegation to Division 4 by the skin of their teeth. Try and watch a video of Cavan vs Offaly in the League in 2012 if you could find it. We were at a level where we were losing to Offaly at home.
We also used a system at U21 level which is now outdated. Playing men behind the ball won't work anymore. The game has evolved.
These batch of players have got us to being a higher level Division 2, low level Division 1 team but another batch are needed in support to move us onto the next level.
What amazes me is on the podcast this week again the pair of lads are bemoaning the players that have left yet they spent most of the latter end of last Summer referencing the attitude in the camp with the party bus and postings on Instagram of players out after League losses.
There's no point complaining about an item and then standing on the other side of the fence when one player who left has directly referenced to them that the manager wants to change the attitude in the camp.
Surely changing the attitude in there and players leaving is going to go hand in hand."
Read what I've said elsewhere, I think player attitude is the problem. Not willing to put it in but want the gear and the fame. Thst doesnt mean they didnt have potential to win Ulster's, I think they did. Just they dont want it enough. Good luck to the lads who are in there, the fellas who left should take the cavan Jersey out of their twitter avatars when are gone.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 05/01/2020 15:55:33    2257533

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "I would imagine most here listen to the We Are Cavan Podcast so I said I'd start a thread on it. They had two excellent discussions with Paul Brady and Declan Coyle recently.

Declan Coyle's was very informative in relation to discussing how important positivity is and training players to make the right decision at the right time.

That said, I was annoyed this week to hear Caoimhin O'Reilly described as one of Cavan's ten best players. While I don't like discussing individuals, I can't understand where that opinion has come from - this is a player who made his debut in 2016 vs Tipp and has failed to hold down a starting position under two successive managers."
Just in regards to Caoimhin, I think when he has played he has been pretty good. I believe he was Cavan's top scoring forward in the national League for Mattie's 2nd year. (Ciaran Brady being top overall if I'm not mistaken), was the top scorer and taken off against Donegal in the championship. I happened to be at the Offaly game that followed in the qualifiers and he seemed to be deployed as half back in that game. So I just assume he didn't fit into Mattie's tactics very well. Also last year from what I've heard he was playing with a broken foot? I completely agree that he shouldn't be in the discussion as a top player for Cavan as he has not played enough, but being annoyed about it is a push seeing as when he was fully available he has been one of the best forwards we have. (Didn't listen to the podcast though so not sure what was said)

BigEZ (Cavan) - Posts: 8 - 05/01/2020 17:13:01    2257552

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Replying To BigEZ:  "Just in regards to Caoimhin, I think when he has played he has been pretty good. I believe he was Cavan's top scoring forward in the national League for Mattie's 2nd year. (Ciaran Brady being top overall if I'm not mistaken), was the top scorer and taken off against Donegal in the championship. I happened to be at the Offaly game that followed in the qualifiers and he seemed to be deployed as half back in that game. So I just assume he didn't fit into Mattie's tactics very well. Also last year from what I've heard he was playing with a broken foot? I completely agree that he shouldn't be in the discussion as a top player for Cavan as he has not played enough, but being annoyed about it is a push seeing as when he was fully available he has been one of the best forwards we have. (Didn't listen to the podcast though so not sure what was said)"
Exactly what I said above was said. It was said that Caoimhin O'Reilly is one of Cavan's ten best players by Paul Fitzpatrick.
I wouldn't agree as I've said and I do think that, whilst he is a quality player, comments like the above are over estimating his ability.
He has failed to hold down a starting position under two managers now.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 05/01/2020 17:45:19    2257562

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I enjoy listening to these podcasts every now and again. You can't question these boys passion for cavan GAA however they can come out with some ridiculous comments every so often. They are prone to talk up some players, especially youngsters and label them as superstars before these players have even played for the county team.

delialli (Cavan) - Posts: 7 - 18/01/2020 17:35:36    2260625

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Replying To delialli:  "I enjoy listening to these podcasts every now and again. You can't question these boys passion for cavan GAA however they can come out with some ridiculous comments every so often. They are prone to talk up some players, especially youngsters and label them as superstars before these players have even played for the county team."
Yeah, their level of knowledge is impressive but they were comparing some of our forwards to Peter Canavan last week!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3823 - 19/01/2020 15:29:33    2260770

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Replying To delialli:  "I enjoy listening to these podcasts every now and again. You can't question these boys passion for cavan GAA however they can come out with some ridiculous comments every so often. They are prone to talk up some players, especially youngsters and label them as superstars before these players have even played for the county team."
They went through the Cavan U20 panel last weekend and spoke about each player as if he were a superstar. The Cavan U20s were then trounced by Westmeath at the weekend.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 19/01/2020 18:28:03    2260844

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Yeah, their level of knowledge is impressive but they were comparing some of our forwards to Peter Canavan last week!"
Heard that, some laugh alright. The lads are pretty good but DD gets wound up about unproven players all the time. Fitz a bit more pessimistic, as you need to be following Cavan.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 455 - 19/01/2020 18:28:28    2260845

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Yeah, their level of knowledge is impressive but they were comparing some of our forwards to Peter Canavan last week!"
In fairness that is not true. They were talking about Conor Smith and said that he obviously was small. One of the two boys just pointed out that Peter Canavan was small too and he was some player. So no need to make stuff up.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 19/01/2020 18:31:34    2260848

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