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Replying To shoulderghost:  "I don't think people should be turning things into a case of O'Shea vs. Clifford, and who is the better player, and especially not people from their own county.

Kerry should just count its lucky stars that it has two of the finest young forwards in the game. Many's the county that would be glad to have either and it's not arguing over them they'd be.

All going well, both players would seem to have fine careers ahead of them. Whether they'll win AI's or not, is a different issue. Sport can be strange!

I remember another great young Kerry player bursting onto the scene years ago, and winning an All-Star in his first year. Back then, few could have predicted that Maurice Fitz would be in his 10th season with Kerry before he'd win his first AI medal."
You should probably direct this at the other poster who took issue with anyone agreeing with O'Shea's YPOTY award.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 248 - 04/11/2019 15:04:36    2247677

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Replying To midlands:  "Michael Murphy has been one of the top players in the country for several years. He has it all - he can win his own ball, his work rate is second to none, he can set up scores for colleagues and is one of the best finishers in the game. He has set ridiculously high standards for himself which he invariably lives up to, year after year. In my humble opinion there isn't another player in the country that has shown the same consistency, and how people are questioning his selection on the All-Star team is beyond me. The Mayo game this year may not have been his best but he was still one of the top players on the field that evening. Does he have to be man of the match every day to deserve an All-Star? Of course players like Ciaran Kilkenny, Stephen O'Brien and Brian Howard had strong claims for inclusion in the half forward line, while Ryan McHugh, James McCarthy and Colm Boyle were unlucky to lose out to Howard in the half back line, but I think it would have been a travesty of justice had Murphy been excluded. For the record, I have absolutely no Donegal connections."
Richard Tyrrell of Westmeath was one of the most prominent allies of Red Hugh O'Donnell and Hugh O'Neill during the Nine Years' War, so there's a bit of a link for you.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 248 - 04/11/2019 15:10:22    2247680

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Replying To greatpoint:  "You should probably direct this at the other poster who took issue with anyone agreeing with O'Shea's YPOTY award."
I did take the time to mention, 'especially not people from their own county'. I've no real qualms with your own observations!

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 863 - 04/11/2019 16:06:04    2247693

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Replying To shoulderghost:  "I did take the time to mention, 'especially not people from their own county'. I've no real qualms with your own observations!"
Didn't intend it to come across like I was having a go!

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 248 - 04/11/2019 16:29:54    2247699

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Replying To greatpoint:  "Richard Tyrrell of Westmeath was one of the most prominent allies of Red Hugh O'Donnell and Hugh O'Neill during the Nine Years' War, so there's a bit of a link for you."
Thanks for that, greatpoint. It is, indeed, a great point. It's never too late to learn a bit of history.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 119 - 04/11/2019 17:25:34    2247716

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Replying To catch22:  "Argument, there's no argument at all.
The panel that adjudged O Shea to be the young player of the year.
Sure there's no argument about it lad it's all done and dusted. You don't have to take my word on it it's their opinion that counts.
O Shea got his award on merit for his contribution over the year. That's why it's called " young player of the year "
QED."
I can't put it any simpler than this (and simplicity seems to be called for):

O Shea: One YPOTY and one All-Star.

Clifford: One YPOTY and two All-Stars.

You are saying that based on the above O Shea is "definitely" the better player??

Just makes no sense to me.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 154 - 04/11/2019 19:41:30    2247746

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "He got one because he deserved one. Tyrone couldn't handle him anyway."
Nah

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16272 - 04/11/2019 19:51:46    2247748

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Replying To hamstring:  "Ya, the hurlers should only get dry bread and water while the footballers get steak and chips with a pint of Heineken.
How dare they have their awards night in the same building as the footballers anyway."
Couldn't agree more. Apart from the Heineken, that's dishwater

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16272 - 04/11/2019 19:53:49    2247750

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Nah"
Nah what? What a waste of a post... He ripped you lot apart too in case you forgot. League and championship. (3 times)

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 814 - 04/11/2019 20:08:13    2247753

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "Nah what? What a waste of a post... He ripped you lot apart too in case you forgot. League and championship. (3 times)"
Sure keoghan did the same to you. Ur point ?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16272 - 05/11/2019 07:11:49    2247813

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I can't put it any simpler than this (and simplicity seems to be called for):

O Shea: One YPOTY and one All-Star.

Clifford: One YPOTY and two All-Stars.

You are saying that based on the above O Shea is "definitely" the better player??

Just makes no sense to me."
No bother at all bud sure simplicity seems to come naturally to you.
This is 2019 we're talking about remember like I've tried to get across to you already.
You're suggesting that the more awards you have makes you the better player which is total nonsense but sure I don't think the penny is going to drop with you on this one.
Maith an fear.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1104 - 05/11/2019 07:21:38    2247814

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I found it interesting that Cluxton has a 20 mins spin to training

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 449 - 05/11/2019 10:04:11    2247839

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Sure keoghan did the same to you. Ur point ?"
Did he yeah? Didn't go a great job at it then or wasn't ably supported.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 814 - 05/11/2019 10:08:51    2247840

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Replying To gahfan:  "I found it interesting that Cluxton has a 20 mins spin to training"
Well for him spend ages in preparation for training. Just another little advantage...

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 449 - 05/11/2019 12:46:53    2247887

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Replying To gahfan:  "Well for him spend ages in preparation for training. Just another little advantage..."
Are you suggesting he should move further away from his house to keep fools like you happy? You'd just find something else on your check list to moan about.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2257 - 05/11/2019 13:25:52    2247899

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Sure keoghan did the same to you. Ur point ?"
A big factor in Meath not winning any all stars is possibly the fact that they got beaten 4 times in the championship this year.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3735 - 05/11/2019 13:46:11    2247906

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "Are you suggesting he should move further away from his house to keep fools like you happy? You'd just find something else on your check list to moan about."
Celebrity Raised By The Village. ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3166 - 05/11/2019 14:36:47    2247924

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I don't think the real story is being told at all. It's all glitz and glamour and aren't the dublin players and management wonderful.
What about the story of players and managers from othetlr countines and all the hardships they have to put up with.
A real lack of objective analysis in my view.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 449 - 05/11/2019 15:02:55    2247932

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Replying To gahfan:  "I don't think the real story is being told at all. It's all glitz and glamour and aren't the dublin players and management wonderful.
What about the story of players and managers from othetlr countines and all the hardships they have to put up with.
A real lack of objective analysis in my view."
You're right about them being wonderful, there is hope for you yet.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2257 - 05/11/2019 15:57:24    2247941

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Replying To gahfan:  "I don't think the real story is being told at all. It's all glitz and glamour and aren't the dublin players and management wonderful.
What about the story of players and managers from othetlr countines and all the hardships they have to put up with.
A real lack of objective analysis in my view."
That's a good point as I remember reading that Jimmy mcguinness had to do a lot of fund raising by himself back in 2014.

gallarus14 (Kerry) - Posts: 107 - 05/11/2019 20:11:32    2247967

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