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Paidi O Se Cup

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "The top tier unfortunately whammo is just dublin and then you have 7 teams around the same level like Kerry Tyrone Donegal Mayo Galway Cork Roscommon who could beat eachother on any given day."
Since when are Roscommon and Kerry around the same level? They're NOT even close and I'm sure even the most ardent of Rossie fans would agree, with all due respect to them. I wouldn't call Cork near the level of Kerry either, despite the encouraging signs of their underage teams.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2280 - 26/10/2019 21:55:40    2246018

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Financial Tier: Dublin
Tier 1A: Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Donegal.
Tier 1B: Galway, Roscommon, Meath, Monaghan and Cork.
Tier 1C: Cavan, Armagh, Clare, Westmeath, Fermanagh, Kildare, Laois and Tipperary.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 27/10/2019 08:56:22    2246058

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I'd prefer the cup wouldn't have any links to FF

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 461 - 27/10/2019 09:14:40    2246060

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There's no point in tarnishing another GAA legend's name in front of another destined to fail competition.

Keep the name closer to the parish and a demonstration of the thought process that went into it. 'The Fr Dougal Maguire Cup' sounds about right.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1823 - 27/10/2019 11:27:30    2246074

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Replying To legendzxix:  "They should call it the "National Championship". By all means name the cup after someone but the tournament itself should have a name that respectfully reflects what it is.

Hurling lower tiers should be rebranded:
National Championship (McDonagh Cup)
Premier Conference (Ring Cup)
Conference 1 (Rackard Cup)
Conference 2 (Meagher Cup)"
I agree, would you prefer to be called the national champions or with no disrespect the Paudi O Sé Champs

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 105 - 27/10/2019 14:12:28    2246107

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I agree, would you prefer to be called the national champions or with no disrespect the Paudi O Sé Champs"
All counties will contest their respective provincial championships:
Munster Championship
Connaught Championship
Ulster Championship
Leinster Championship

Tier 2 counties should enter the following:
National Championship.

Tier 1 counties should enter the following championship:
All-Ireland Senior Football Championship (Division 1 teams, Division 2 teams (top 6 and Division 3 finalists), provincial finalists and Tier 2 Champion from the year before.)

"National Championship" reflects what the Tier 2 Championship is. These lower tier football and hurling championships need proper names that reflect what they are. Name the cup after a legendary figure by all means but naming these championships after someone is nonsense.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 27/10/2019 17:05:16    2246136

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Replying To Viking66:  "Spot on. It needs proper promoting, it needs to be run concurrent with the All Ireland Championship, the final as a curtain raiser to the AIF too. It needs to be on TV. Same goes for the Joe Mcdonagh in hurling. Running it off early so the 2 finalists can be in an AIQF is not the way forward. Why not let the 2 finalists play in the AI series the following year?"
Completely agree regarding staging of Finals

That would be substantial and give a real sense of value IMO

Possibly giving sets of supporters largely unfamiliar with AI final day in Croke Park a real sense of occasion and atmosphere. A real sense of achievement.

I think that could prove to be a very attractive proposition but again the marketing and promotional sides of things has to be top end. This idea will most likely fail if it doesn't hit the ground running.

I think it could be a great addition if its done well and given the respect it deserves and a competition I would gladly go to support.

I think it was all rushed a bit though and could have benefited from additional information.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19820 - 28/10/2019 14:25:28    2246291

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Completely agree regarding staging of Finals

That would be substantial and give a real sense of value IMO

Possibly giving sets of supporters largely unfamiliar with AI final day in Croke Park a real sense of occasion and atmosphere. A real sense of achievement.

I think that could prove to be a very attractive proposition but again the marketing and promotional sides of things has to be top end. This idea will most likely fail if it doesn't hit the ground running.

I think it could be a great addition if its done well and given the respect it deserves and a competition I would gladly go to support.

I think it was all rushed a bit though and could have benefited from additional information."
There was over 30,000 at last years division 3 & 4 league final double header. I would expect a crowd of 25k for a tier 2 championship final if it had 2 well supported counties. I don't see how you can have a tier 2 final as a curtain raiser to the main final, tickets are scarce enough as it is.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2379 - 29/10/2019 11:33:37    2246443

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You can forget any notion of any 2nd tier final being held on the same day as the AIF. It will in no way ever make sense to stage it as a curtain raiser, no matter how much nostalgic attachment is attached to the event by way of the name of the cup, the Atmosphere on AIF day etc...It just cant work, and should be forgotten about thinking how to incorporate it and thought about a realistic way to promote it in the best possible way.

Plus, imagine the yelps coming out of some counties if they had to split an AIF ticket allocation with two other counties where it owuldnt be an allocation similar to the couple of thousand youd get if your county was in a Minor Final!!!

LongfordSham (Longford) - Posts: 93 - 29/10/2019 12:14:38    2246452

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Replying To Soma:  "There was over 30,000 at last years division 3 & 4 league final double header. I would expect a crowd of 25k for a tier 2 championship final if it had 2 well supported counties. I don't see how you can have a tier 2 final as a curtain raiser to the main final, tickets are scarce enough as it is."
I think you're right about a standalone final, but this competition, to give it a good spotlight, could bump the minor final out of Croker during a semi final weekend. Attendances at semi's have been very poor over the last few years.

Tier 2 final should should definitely be on the same weekend as the tier 1 final though. It can be a curtain raiser without being on the same day and again, supporters from the tier 2 counties will be involved in the post-match "bants" with the Dubs and anyone from the tier 1 runner's up who travel up from down the country.

Could the minor final or ladies final be added to a tier 2 final program to flesh out the numbers for that occasion as well? I think having the ladies final the week after the mens final really kills the interest from neutrals.

kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 62 - 29/10/2019 12:42:49    2246456

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