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Why Not Allow Divisional Teams Represent Their County?

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Divisional side Imokilly won the Cork SHC title for the third year in a row yesterday. To win three in a row is a fair achievement but it's a pity they're not allowed represent Cork. It would be interesting to how they would do in the provincial/All Ireland championship.

The same in Kerry where the SFC is at the semi final stage and we already know that Dr Crokes will be representing the county in Munster yet again as the three other teams are amalgamations.

gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 857 - 21/10/2019 14:34:50    2244789

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Replying To gaelicgab:  "Divisional side Imokilly won the Cork SHC title for the third year in a row yesterday. To win three in a row is a fair achievement but it's a pity they're not allowed represent Cork. It would be interesting to how they would do in the provincial/All Ireland championship.

The same in Kerry where the SFC is at the semi final stage and we already know that Dr Crokes will be representing the county in Munster yet again as the three other teams are amalgamations."
Well I agree

If these divisional sides are allowed to enter the county championship they should be allowed enter the provincial championship.

Concerned_Supp (Westmeath) - Posts: 50 - 21/10/2019 14:51:25    2244793

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Not every county has divisional teams... it would make competing on a national level much more difficult for teams from these (the majority of) counties

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 166 - 21/10/2019 15:05:54    2244796

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Shouldn't be divisional teams at all. Its a club championship, not a divisional championship or a college championship.

If i were from Glen rovers I'd be rightly annoyed that although they were the best club team in the county, they were denied a county championship title by a team with the pick of 24 clubs. Or imagine if your a small club who get a great once in a lifetime type of team who make it to a senior county final only to be beaten by a divisional or college team?

No place for divisional or college teams in CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 158 - 21/10/2019 15:07:14    2244797

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Shouldn't be divisional teams at all. Its a club championship, not a divisional championship or a college championship.

If i were from Glen rovers I'd be rightly annoyed that although they were the best club team in the county, they were denied a county championship title by a team with the pick of 24 clubs. Or imagine if your a small club who get a great once in a lifetime type of team who make it to a senior county final only to be beaten by a divisional or college team?

No place for divisional or college teams in CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS"
That is a fair point. I will say though that the system works well in Kerry and nobody seems to take issue with it. It's good for the development of players from small clubs and helps keep the championship competitive even though Crokes have dominated during this decade regardless.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1698 - 21/10/2019 15:42:12    2244810

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "That is a fair point. I will say though that the system works well in Kerry and nobody seems to take issue with it. It's good for the development of players from small clubs and helps keep the championship competitive even though Crokes have dominated during this decade regardless."
System works but I'd have a separate divisional championship.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 250 - 21/10/2019 16:56:56    2244821

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Shouldn't be divisional teams at all. Its a club championship, not a divisional championship or a college championship.

If i were from Glen rovers I'd be rightly annoyed that although they were the best club team in the county, they were denied a county championship title by a team with the pick of 24 clubs. Or imagine if your a small club who get a great once in a lifetime type of team who make it to a senior county final only to be beaten by a divisional or college team?

No place for divisional or college teams in CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS"
I understand it would be frustrating for any club that makes it to a county final only to get beat by a divisional side. But they knew from start of the season that they would have to beat them to win it. I think it's unfair that a team can win a championship but can't progress to represent their county. It's not Imokilly's fault that they're too good for the rest of the teams in the Cork SHC at the moment and divisional teams don't always be strong look at the Kerry SFC.

gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 857 - 21/10/2019 17:18:55    2244824

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Shouldn't be divisional teams at all. Its a club championship, not a divisional championship or a college championship.

If i were from Glen rovers I'd be rightly annoyed that although they were the best club team in the county, they were denied a county championship title by a team with the pick of 24 clubs. Or imagine if your a small club who get a great once in a lifetime type of team who make it to a senior county final only to be beaten by a divisional or college team?

No place for divisional or college teams in CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS"
On the other side of the coin, it gives players from small clubs the opportunity to win a senior championship. Something they would never be able to do with their own rural junior club.

gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 857 - 21/10/2019 17:27:34    2244830

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Replying To gaelicgab:  "I understand it would be frustrating for any club that makes it to a county final only to get beat by a divisional side. But they knew from start of the season that they would have to beat them to win it. I think it's unfair that a team can win a championship but can't progress to represent their county. It's not Imokilly's fault that they're too good for the rest of the teams in the Cork SHC at the moment and divisional teams don't always be strong look at the Kerry SFC."
It's not fair on counties which don't have divisional teams. Divisional sides should compete in a separate championship.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 250 - 21/10/2019 17:39:34    2244835

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "It's not fair on counties which don't have divisional teams. Divisional sides should compete in a separate championship."
I think the status quo is reasonable. The divisional system has served its purpose after the county Championship final. There is no need for them to compete beyond that and the best club should go forward as is the case now.

That said, I'm sure some urban clubs have a bigger playing pool than many of the divisional sides so you could argue it either way. I'm good with the current system personally.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1698 - 21/10/2019 18:55:52    2244845

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I think the status quo is reasonable. The divisional system has served its purpose after the county Championship final. There is no need for them to compete beyond that and the best club should go forward as is the case now.

That said, I'm sure some urban clubs have a bigger playing pool than many of the divisional sides so you could argue it either way. I'm good with the current system personally."
I'd agree with the status quo. Divisional teams seem to be part of the furniture down there and seems to really work for the senior club championship and presumably player development for the county team. I also assume that the folks playing with the divisional teams also play junior (and maybe intermediate football with their club?) so at the end of the year a player could be in in a junior and senior all ireland club final and that does not seem right.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 236 - 21/10/2019 19:50:01    2244852

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Shouldn't be divisional teams at all. Its a club championship, not a divisional championship or a college championship.

If i were from Glen rovers I'd be rightly annoyed that although they were the best club team in the county, they were denied a county championship title by a team with the pick of 24 clubs. Or imagine if your a small club who get a great once in a lifetime type of team who make it to a senior county final only to be beaten by a divisional or college team?

No place for divisional or college teams in CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS"
True for you, it's another stupid idea which the GAA seems to be full of these days, divisional teams, Galway playing hurling in Leinster etc, I'd nearly rather we went back to the old system, win your province and your in the All Ireland semi, no backdoors.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 786 - 21/10/2019 22:44:40    2244880

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Shouldn't be divisional teams at all. Its a club championship, not a divisional championship or a college championship.

If i were from Glen rovers I'd be rightly annoyed that although they were the best club team in the county, they were denied a county championship title by a team with the pick of 24 clubs. Or imagine if your a small club who get a great once in a lifetime type of team who make it to a senior county final only to be beaten by a divisional or college team?

No place for divisional or college teams in CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS"
"No place for divisional or college teams in CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS"

They've been in the Kerry and Cork championships for 60/70 years so they obviously have a place.

No one in Kerry has ever had an issue abd they only because an issue in Cork when they win.

The Glen in particular have got thr hump over them and tried to get them banned this year. Yet they had no issues with them when they were winning championships themselves

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 299 - 22/10/2019 06:54:36    2244893

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "True for you, it's another stupid idea which the GAA seems to be full of these days, divisional teams, Galway playing hurling in Leinster etc, I'd nearly rather we went back to the old system, win your province and your in the All Ireland semi, no backdoors."
No idea how you think Divisions are a modern thing considering they've been in place for almost 100 years at this point (in Cork and Kerry anyway). If anything they used to be more common, as I've seen reports of championships in Meath decades ago where Divisional sides took part.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1310 - 22/10/2019 10:10:35    2244909

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "True for you, it's another stupid idea which the GAA seems to be full of these days, divisional teams, Galway playing hurling in Leinster etc, I'd nearly rather we went back to the old system, win your province and your in the All Ireland semi, no backdoors."
Agree with your point on the All Ireland knock out. I think it would be far better if we reverted back. However the divisional system is not new and is probably older than most clubs.
Another poster made the point that divisional players have the chance to play the All Ireland series with their clubs at junior and intermediate. I totally agree with that and that is what it's for. However the divisional system in county championship only is fine in my opinion. It gives potentially top class players the chance to play senior championship and be seen, that would never have been otherwise. Examples being countless footballers in Kerry including the likes of Maurice Fitzgerald and Mickey O'Connell. The same applies here in Cork in both codes.
The only difference where I think Kerry get it right and Cork do not is that they have a SFC just for clubs as well.
The point around Imokily having an unfair advantage because of the number of clubs in the division to Glen Rovers doesn't really hold. Glen Rovers being a city club probably have a bigger, or at least as big a pick than Imokily.
Anyway, I agree no divisional teams in the all Ireland series.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 180 - 22/10/2019 11:22:58    2244916

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "True for you, it's another stupid idea which the GAA seems to be full of these days, divisional teams, Galway playing hurling in Leinster etc, I'd nearly rather we went back to the old system, win your province and your in the All Ireland semi, no backdoors."
No chance of going back to the old system, Not enough games then to overcharge fans so the Gaa can make as much money as they can and pump most of it into the same place/area/county.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 22/10/2019 12:01:13    2244921

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Replying To gaelicgab:  "Divisional side Imokilly won the Cork SHC title for the third year in a row yesterday. To win three in a row is a fair achievement but it's a pity they're not allowed represent Cork. It would be interesting to how they would do in the provincial/All Ireland championship.

The same in Kerry where the SFC is at the semi final stage and we already know that Dr Crokes will be representing the county in Munster yet again as the three other teams are amalgamations."
You are not quite right about Kerry: Austin Stacks will represent Kerry in the Munster Club Championship as they won the Senior Club Football Championship beating Crokes in April.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 154 - 22/10/2019 14:01:08    2244959

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Replying To Aibrean:  "You are not quite right about Kerry: Austin Stacks will represent Kerry in the Munster Club Championship as they won the Senior Club Football Championship beating Crokes in April."
Austin Stacks will not be representing Kerry if Dr Crokes win the championship.....

KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 64 - 22/10/2019 14:38:01    2244965

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Replying To Aibrean:  "You are not quite right about Kerry: Austin Stacks will represent Kerry in the Munster Club Championship as they won the Senior Club Football Championship beating Crokes in April."
Stacks will only play in Munster if Crokes don't win county champ. The point of the club champ is to find a representative IF a divisional team wins county champ

fergie (Carlow) - Posts: 1088 - 22/10/2019 14:44:08    2244967

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Replying To Aibrean:  "You are not quite right about Kerry: Austin Stacks will represent Kerry in the Munster Club Championship as they won the Senior Club Football Championship beating Crokes in April."
I would expect that every Kerry GAA supporter would know this. Did you emigrate as an infant?
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Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 880 - 22/10/2019 18:35:55    2245029

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