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Football Rule Changes

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The proposed Football rule changes for thr GAA special congress in October are.
-All kick-outs to be taken from the 20-metre line.
-An attacking mark to be awarded when a ball is fielded having been kicked at least 20 metres inside the opposition 45.
-Punishment for black cards to be eased from immediate substitution to 10 minutes in a sin bin.

Discuss.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 217 - 17/09/2019 20:59:22    2236836

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "The proposed Football rule changes for thr GAA special congress in October are.
-All kick-outs to be taken from the 20-metre line.
-An attacking mark to be awarded when a ball is fielded having been kicked at least 20 metres inside the opposition 45.
-Punishment for black cards to be eased from immediate substitution to 10 minutes in a sin bin.

Discuss."
Christ 5 a lot of these changes are all adapted from Rugby Union. The mark, sin bins for 10 minutes. Next thing we'll be having line outs in Croke Park.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 17/09/2019 22:04:58    2236872

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These were trialled in the national league.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3739 - 17/09/2019 23:17:55    2236912

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Replying To bennybunny:  "These were trialled in the national league."
I know that. Sure certain counties like Kerry made hay with the offensive mark. The Dubs more or less ignored it as they knew it wasn't going to be in force in this year's championship.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 17/09/2019 23:52:36    2236924

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Replying To avonali:  "Christ 5 a lot of these changes are all adapted from Rugby Union. The mark, sin bins for 10 minutes. Next thing we'll be having line outs in Croke Park."
Mark from Australian Rules.

Sin Bin was from Rugby League.

None have line outs.....

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1494 - 18/09/2019 09:14:58    2236964

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Replying To avonali:  "I know that. Sure certain counties like Kerry made hay with the offensive mark. The Dubs more or less ignored it as they knew it wasn't going to be in force in this year's championship."
Fair enough. I hope the sinbin is kept for sure. Wasn't totally against Black card but a situation where you can replace a player who has cynically fouled hlps the bigger and better panels. A sin bin punishes the team. The only issue, like the black card, it is almost no punishment at all in the very last few minutes of the game.. I like the forward mark too

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3739 - 18/09/2019 10:10:32    2236980

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Replying To avonali:  "I know that. Sure certain counties like Kerry made hay with the offensive mark. The Dubs more or less ignored it as they knew it wasn't going to be in force in this year's championship."
Yeah, it's funny how they knew that before it was confirmed by the GAA isnt it

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3620 - 18/09/2019 10:23:03    2236987

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They surely need to look at the steps rule? It's a pretty pointless one based on what we've seen this year. Rarely enforced.

Whyalwaysmeath (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 18/09/2019 10:32:03    2236990

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Fair enough. I hope the sinbin is kept for sure. Wasn't totally against Black card but a situation where you can replace a player who has cynically fouled hlps the bigger and better panels. A sin bin punishes the team. The only issue, like the black card, it is almost no punishment at all in the very last few minutes of the game.. I like the forward mark too"
I think the reward for the forward mark is a bit disproportionate. High flelding is great to see etc. but a clean high catch anywhere near the D is immediately convertible to a point. I just think that's a bit skewed.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 18/09/2019 11:02:03    2237000

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Replying To Whyalwaysmeath:  "They surely need to look at the steps rule? It's a pretty pointless one based on what we've seen this year. Rarely enforced."
The appear to have changed for AI finals- its now extended to 10 step rule

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2059 - 18/09/2019 11:15:34    2237010

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Replying To Whyalwaysmeath:  "They surely need to look at the steps rule? It's a pretty pointless one based on what we've seen this year. Rarely enforced."
More importantly they need to clarify how to play the advantage rule when a runner is bearing in on goal and is fouled. If fouling the runner -I'm think of David Moran fouling Murchan - causes him to take extra steps without hopping or soloing what is the ruling?

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 18/09/2019 11:17:23    2237013

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Stopping the clock for injuries etc & counting the clock down to the final buzzer I think works brilliantly in ladies football, I would love to see it brought in for the men.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 581 - 18/09/2019 11:26:04    2237020

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The sinbin idea is worthwhile - but it should be used for all current yellow and black card offences.

Countdown clock would enhance the game hugely - disappointed to see that it is not on the agenda.

The offensive mark is unnecessary, and fundamentally changes the game - and not for the better!

football first (None) - Posts: 1126 - 18/09/2019 11:33:45    2237026

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Replying To avonali:  "More importantly they need to clarify how to play the advantage rule when a runner is bearing in on goal and is fouled. If fouling the runner -I'm think of David Moran fouling Murchan - causes him to take extra steps without hopping or soloing what is the ruling?"
They need to look at all aspects of it, countless occasions where it hasn't been enforced through the year, both the drawn game and the replay for goals, somewhere between 8 and 12 steps taken. Been happening for years though. It just leads to frustrations for the team on the receiving end, particularly where a goal is the end result. And I don't buy into the evens itself out argument, if one results in a point and the other in a goal it's hardly even.

Whyalwaysmeath (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 18/09/2019 11:51:25    2237039

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Replying To Whyalwaysmeath:  "They need to look at all aspects of it, countless occasions where it hasn't been enforced through the year, both the drawn game and the replay for goals, somewhere between 8 and 12 steps taken. Been happening for years though. It just leads to frustrations for the team on the receiving end, particularly where a goal is the end result. And I don't buy into the evens itself out argument, if one results in a point and the other in a goal it's hardly even."
I agree with this, the over carrying is just not reffed properly (or even close to properly). It's makes it impossible for a defender to try and tackle the ball and quite often the defender gives a away a free but only after the over carry. This just needs gaa to get refs to put more focus on it. Even close to properly would help. I do agree with with previous posters point in defining what advantage do you give as part of a player being fouled but the basic reffing needs be improved irrespective of that point.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 217 - 18/09/2019 16:04:55    2237195

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I am totally against the attacking mark. I think it takes the excitement out of the game.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 308 - 18/09/2019 16:35:52    2237219

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Replying To avonali:  "I think the reward for the forward mark is a bit disproportionate. High flelding is great to see etc. but a clean high catch anywhere near the D is immediately convertible to a point. I just think that's a bit skewed."
I think the forward mark (assuming it passes) has potential to do all sorts of things to the game and we really won't know until championship time next year. On Saturday last there were numerous catches that will be marks next year. On less you have some form of one on one with the keeper or a player running off the shoulder, the player will take the mark. Dublin did pay zero attention to it and what will they do. O'callaghan is a very good target man and connolly is an exceptional kick passer (if he's still about)

It should really suit kerry with Clifford being a big man and getting stronger next year and it really suits Tommy Walsh although his kicking is inconsistent from anywhere outside the gimme range. If you can place a good kick pass correctly will it negate the blanket defence and make the defending team push out on the kick passer and free up the game a bit. Will it lead to an even more defensive game, putting covering players in front of the likes of Tommy Walsh. Will the mark slow the continuity and frustrate folks. Will it lead to precious little change.

The division 2 league final had three Michael murphy marks and scores and I generally liked it because it led to a good kick and good catch (although sometimes if the kick is very good the catch can be very straight forward). I want to see it given a go next year.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 217 - 18/09/2019 16:40:29    2237224

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I'd be fearful of the offensive mark, especially when teams get really good at exploiting it.

It has the potential to really reduce the amount of points from play and to reduce the amount of goals scored.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12723 - 18/09/2019 19:04:19    2237283

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