Does anyone have reservations about the use of Hawkeye to determine whether a ball has been caught over the bar? Hawkeye simulates the flight of the ball and the graphics shown for yesterday's 'point' and in the Tipp/Wexford match highlight that if the ball had continued unimpeded it would have been a point, but how can it determine that the entire ball (now in Hogan's hand) had crossed over the bar....if it is using camera angles and triangulation, I have yet to see a photo with ball and hand clearly over the bar.
...luckily the calls made thus far have not influenced the outcome of the games...but surely it the decisions' of referees and linesmen are getting micro-analysed...how come we all have to just accept the decision of Hawkeye, and a computer generated simulated graphic?

Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 42 - 19/08/2019 17:06:10    2227591

Listening to Hogan last night , you would question it.
he wasn't on his line nor did his arm touch the bar ,
surely side footage needed as well as the flight path ?

HurlerOnTheFenc (Mayo) - Posts: 282 - 19/08/2019 17:18:33    2227598

There is something wrong with the way it is used. A ref should use it if he has a concern, never mind who is shouting in his ear.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 19/08/2019 17:24:03    2227603

martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 499 - 19/08/2019 17:24:35    2227605

Yes, there did seem to be a definite discrepancy between the tv replays and the Hawkeye simulation.

Doesn't the ref have the discretion to overrule or stand down Hawkeye? I seem to remember this happening in a minor semi between Limerick and Galway a few years back.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 19/08/2019 17:27:27    2227606

He'd've needed arms like a gorilla for that to be a point. No way could the sliothar been over the line.

I'm fine with it for the line of flight - albeit it's only available at two grounds - but I just don't think it's needed for those was-it-over-the-bar-or-not? decisions.

If the GAA feel the umpires need help on this, your side on shot is going to be more conclusive. Preferably with a proper person looking at it rather than a computer.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 19/08/2019 17:29:19    2227608

I have grave reservations about yesterday's call. Going by the red part of the graphic Hogan's hand would have to have 'bent backwards' by in excess of 90 degrees over the crossbar to catch it....an impossibility.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 19/08/2019 17:31:25    2227613

I had always assumed there was also a sensor that would read if the ball went through the sticks but google just mentions cameras

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 19/08/2019 17:33:02    2227616

Thank God that point had no bareing on the games outcome...but a game will come where this type of a nonsense call will cost a team a match... Are the GAA going to sit by and wait for this disastrous outcome to unfold before them...?? There is no possible way that that was a point in my view.......

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 19/08/2019 17:50:46    2227625

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 19/08/2019 18:13:51    2227634

Additionally, even if there is a camera on the dead ball line, I don't know how the camera can conclusively make a decision when the ball is more or less totally hidden in Hogan's hand....and all of these variables have been taken into account, and considered in the 15-20 seconds it took to inform the ref!

Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 42 - 19/08/2019 18:23:30    2227641

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 19/08/2019 19:33:27    2227655

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 19/08/2019 19:50:17    2227660

I support Hawkeye but have serious reservations about its accuracy in these situations where the ball has gone over the bar. The hand must be over the bar. Until i see that will remain unconvinced. Trailing edged proximities or light curtains would be much more accurate for this. Or how about a non sleepy umpire or two who have all the time in the world to line themselves up as the ball is always dropping and at a much slower speed.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 19/08/2019 20:18:30    2227665

Stevie Wonder is working on the updated version of Hawkeye

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 19/08/2019 20:26:48    2227669

i have a solution,get 2 lads to stand beside the posts,give them white coats,eureka......

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/08/2019 22:45:13    2227721

I don't think Donnelly's shot crossed the line. I didn't think Chin's (was it him?) shot crossed the line either in the SF. I suspect the Hawkeye system "kicks in" when it traces the flight path of an incoming ball before it has crossed the line, and awards the score based on the "expected" flight path. I suspect the Hawkeye system awarded points to Chin and Donnelly based on the expected flight paths, rather than the actual flight path. They really need to test it out. What if a flock of seagulls fly through the posts in the football final and the ref has to award a point for it?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 19/08/2019 23:32:02    2227734

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 20/08/2019 07:27:05    2227752

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1803 - 20/08/2019 08:55:27    2227765

The graphic shown on the screen was very poor but maybe that's just for viewers and the system has other datasets that it uses.
However, I would have my doubts. Hogan's comments on it have to be considered. He seemed fairly confident when he was relaxed after the game and a bit frustrated with it after it was awarded. The providers would be well advised to go and take another look at how it's used for these instances. Overall, it has been a success though

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 20/08/2019 09:12:26    2227768