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There were two fouls on Steven, one outside, one inside. Either would have done fine in a game where scores were hard got. Cooper did a lot more that put a hand on Cliffords shoulder, he had a hold of his jersey and took him out of the play allowing Cluxton a clean catch. Penalty all day long, the rules are clear, albeit it's one that you'd get away with quite a bit. Most defenders would be a lot more cute / subtle in that scenario but I think he had lost the head a bit as he was in all sorts of bother from the throw in. Small dived for that incident with O'Sullivan, it's clear as day in the replay. Tom has a hand in but Small threw himself up in the air as if he'd been shot. It would have been a very harsh yellow imo and they explained why he wasn't booked on TSG. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 02/09/2019 10:57:31 2231760 Link 13 |
Gough made a few mistakes yesterday, Copper was correct call , penalty should have been retaken as Clouxton came off his line, O Sullivan should have got second yellow for that foul and thus a red , and Barry should have got a Red for striking a Dublin player with closed fist in the ribs . culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 02/09/2019 11:09:14 2231764 Link 0 |
In my opinion Gough had a very good game. No referee will call everything perfect for the entire duration of a game but he came close enough. My thoughts on the "contentious" points raised here: lady_gaagaa (Westmeath) - Posts: 97 - 02/09/2019 11:20:00 2231772 Link 1 |
Who will ref replay? Will Kerry launch high ball into square again? They obviously saw Gough give a peno to Murphy v mayo from the same tactic. Will all refs go by the letter of the law as Gough did yesterday...I think he had a very brave game. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 02/09/2019 11:29:29 2231779 Link 0 |
Under what rule should O'Sullivan have been sent off? The offence is listed as a free and tick in the rules as far as I can see. Someone said that 'ticks' or 'notes' are just something that refs have come up with themselves. I hope they are not a referee.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 02/09/2019 11:30:05 2231780 Link 12 |
I wouldn't say I'm happy after yesterday but I think Dublin will be relatively pleased considering it was 14 v 15 for over 40 minutes and Kerry were the ones hanging on at the end really. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 02/09/2019 11:37:48 2231784 Link 0 |
Excellent post and would agree with everything you have said. It was a great game and the ref also had a very good game overall. Looking forward to the replay.
Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 02/09/2019 11:42:24 2231788 Link 0 |
Have to agree about O Sullivan. The rule seems to be that when you get a ticking the next offence is yellow and a subsequent offence is red. Mc Stay on the radio this morning said if people don't agree with Cooper's sending off they don't know the ules around "ticking". How then could O Sullivan get a ticking (which he clearly did) after being yellow carded? Sauce for the goose mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1042 - 02/09/2019 11:43:39 2231789 Link 1 |
Gough was excellent, end of story. Impossible job. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7830 - 02/09/2019 12:00:43 2231799 Link 8 |
We'll agree to disagree Gerry. I haven't heard any analyst claiming that Small dived. He was spinning at the time and O'Sullivan dragged his arm to take him down. Everyone has said that Cooper's penalty was harsh. That grappling happens everywhere on the pitch without a whistle and to award a penalty for it in a AI final? Very questionable. These are huge calls.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4698 - 02/09/2019 12:10:35 2231811 Link 7 |
Nothing in the rules to say you can't get a tick after a yellow. Ref also has discretion if he deems a foul to be accidental, i.e. a genuine attempt to tackle and dispossess the opponent.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 02/09/2019 12:18:20 2231817 Link 11 |
A piece on I think rte radio yesterday said in the past 5 or 6 years Dublin have had all the major calls in finals in their favour, Gough wasn't a ref in any of those finals and yesterday I think majority of people agree that Gough had a good game where major calls went 50/50, got an odd call wrong but far ahead of refs in other finals in the past 10 years, I'm afraid whoever gets the replay we already know the result 5 in a row, Gough is the best referee and other refs will get certain calls wrong and as well documented Dublin will get the major calls in their favour so expect the drive for 5 to succeed riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 02/09/2019 12:30:48 2231827 Link 3 |
Thought Gough was very good overall. Not perfect, but sure what ref is perfect? He missed some but overall I think the big decisions he made were right. The only huge one I think he got wrong was the Stephen O'Brien penalty incident, it's at the very least a free in. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 02/09/2019 12:32:08 2231829 Link 3 |
You could be right I'm not sure of the rule, but if you are sure a tick can be given after a yellow, then so be it, I thought, and I'm open to correction, that on this occasion he has to give just a free, like for some of the incidents you outlined, or book the player for consistent fouling. mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1042 - 02/09/2019 12:34:06 2231833 Link 0 |
It's a huge call but at the end of the day it's a foul. Similar to Murphy v Mayo, people call it soft but if a defender is wrapped up around the forward and not looking at the ball, what's the ref supposed to do? I think people are calling it soft and a huge call because most refs don't give it - and they don't give it because they're not brave enough to give it. Whatever else about Gough, he's not afraid to make a big decision regardless of the circumstances. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 02/09/2019 12:38:13 2231836 Link 4 |
kerryforsam19 (Kerry) - Posts: 95 - 02/09/2019 15:13:31 2231928 Link 1 |
He did a decent job for me. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13692 - 02/09/2019 16:18:07 2231952 Link 6 |
Yeah but as fans, we don't care if ref makes 'brave' decisons as we prefer correct ones (where possible , I know they can't be pefect). Same for 'evening it up' way of looking at it. We all respect consistency, He was not consistent there . Either O'Sullivans was a yellow or else no other similar tackles should have been. Judge the tackle as it was. Have just rewatched the game and to me it was a yellow card. Gough's take on things or being brave shouldn't come into making the correct decision.
Dinosbar&grill (Dublin) - Posts: 23 - 02/09/2019 16:18:13 2231953 Link 0 |
I think it wasn't a yellow card, being honest. He hadn't fouled as consistently as Cooper had on Clifford, and that's really what Cooper saw the line for, rather than any one particular foul. I don't think I'd have criticised Gough too much if he'd sent O'Sullivan to the line either, but on balance I think it was a fair decision. If O'Sullivan had another foul I think there's no doubt he'd have seen red. To me that is pretty consistent from Gough. I only mentioned brave because of some insinuations that he bottled showing O'Sullivan a red. I think it's the opposite. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 02/09/2019 16:27:47 2231959 Link 1 |
So you think the penalty should have been retaken? You know seeing as you're all for consistency
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1372 - 02/09/2019 16:40:21 2231967 Link 0 |