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David Gough To Referee The Final

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Yes! Well done! If It's Joe McKiernan you are referring to, the Magnum is yours."
Who's this lad your on about.
Jays but you're fair rattled alright.
The Kerry boys are are feeling the pressure I tell you.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1103 - 27/08/2019 22:23:31    2229962

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Breaks my heart , now stop your whinging lad -:)"
You're sounding a lot like catch22 I wonder are ye the same poster? Double jobbing so to speak.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10222 - 27/08/2019 22:44:18    2229970

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Replying To Bellewest:  "Never heard of a referee called Joe Mc Kiernan. Armagh player and manager with a similar sounding name alright. Don't think he was a referee though."
Yeah I was thinking that too. Is it Joe MCQuillan he's talking about?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1084 - 28/08/2019 03:43:01    2229993

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Replying To avonali:  "Ehh they did. A OM's shoulder charge into the chest of Philly MacMahon was an arguable red. He missed e possible black cards against Kerry players in 2016 semi-final.
Check out the debate on this issue in the Kerry GAA Fans forum, not the one affiliated to Hogan Stand. A few Kerry posters there said AoM was lucky to stay on the pitch. Of course this is all forgotten.
We also had a Kerry player administer some eye surgery to Jack McCaffrey which rarely gets mentioned now."
Of course some decisions go against Dublin in the course of a game.
But, refereeing decisions in the final 5 minutes or so are the crucial ones which determine who wins or looses. And in this regard Kerry have been on the wrong side of catastrophic refereeing decisions: the 2011 final, the 2015 final and the 2016 semi-final.

Perhaps it's just bad luck and perhaps it's just a coincidence that 2 of the referees live and work in Dublin and the 3rd refereed an inordinate number of Dublin games in 2011.

On the other hand you could argue that had Dublin lost those games by a point or 2 that they could point to 'catastrophic decisons' in the final 5 minutes which lost them the match. But that's purely academic while Kerry can point to real live 'catastrophic decisions' that actually did, in all probability, cost them the match.

And, try to address the contents of posts as opposed to commenting on the motives or character of posters. This is a general comment - not aimed at avonali at all.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 154 - 28/08/2019 12:43:00    2230094

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Of course some decisions go against Dublin in the course of a game.
But, refereeing decisions in the final 5 minutes or so are the crucial ones which determine who wins or looses. And in this regard Kerry have been on the wrong side of catastrophic refereeing decisions: the 2011 final, the 2015 final and the 2016 semi-final.

Perhaps it's just bad luck and perhaps it's just a coincidence that 2 of the referees live and work in Dublin and the 3rd refereed an inordinate number of Dublin games in 2011.

On the other hand you could argue that had Dublin lost those games by a point or 2 that they could point to 'catastrophic decisons' in the final 5 minutes which lost them the match. But that's purely academic while Kerry can point to real live 'catastrophic decisions' that actually did, in all probability, cost them the match.

And, try to address the contents of posts as opposed to commenting on the motives or character of posters. This is a general comment - not aimed at avonali at all."
Once Kerry people and others keep thinking like you do then Dublin will keep on winning.

As I said before, you have blamed the ref and weather for each Kerry defeat this decade, so when you make excuses why you lose you think you are good enough and do not change.

2011 you let a 4 point lead after 66 mins slip
2015 you were simply out played 'the biggest 3 point hammering'
2016 you were out shot in a shoot out.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1516 - 28/08/2019 16:20:41    2230202

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You're sounding a lot like catch22 I wonder are ye the same poster? Double jobbing so to speak."
What a load of nonsense.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 1934 - 28/08/2019 21:44:24    2230279

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Conor Lane who lives in kerry will be the standby referee and linesman. I find it strange no one in the kerry media/mafia is questioning his involvement.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 399 - 31/08/2019 17:25:41    2231023

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Replying To brisbane:  "Conor Lane who lives in kerry will be the standby referee and linesman. I find it strange no one in the kerry media/mafia is questioning his involvement."
:)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19818 - 31/08/2019 21:02:04    2231066

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Replying To brisbane:  "Conor Lane who lives in kerry will be the standby referee and linesman. I find it strange no one in the kerry media/mafia is questioning his involvement."
He lives in Cork, not Kerry

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1686 - 31/08/2019 21:24:32    2231071

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David Gough was totally compromised in this game and it showed both ways at different times. Huge non calls for clear kerry frees in the last mins of injury time giving Dublin the turnovers they needed when they were on the rack.

facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 187 - 01/09/2019 17:17:01    2231273

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Replying To facethepuckout:  "David Gough was totally compromised in this game and it showed both ways at different times. Huge non calls for clear kerry frees in the last mins of injury time giving Dublin the turnovers they needed when they were on the rack."
What about Tom O'Sullivan not getting a second yellow? Gough was just poor today.

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 223 - 01/09/2019 17:48:15    2231328

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Good sensible refereeing by Gough today, think he got most of the big calls correct, although he could have given Kerry a free in when O'Brien was fouled and possibly another for Kerry near the end but other than that he was very good.

Neither side can have any complaints, bring on the replay!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8300 - 01/09/2019 17:54:29    2231337

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Replying To reffingmad:  "What about Tom O'Sullivan not getting a second yellow? Gough was just poor today."
When Cooper piked up his first booking the ref clearly indicated it was for his second foul, he held up two fingers to show this, and he sent him off on his third.#
So therefore he was clearly allowing lads two fouls, obviously not if they were serious, so O'Sullivan git the same treatment he was booked for the first one allowed a second chance same as Cooper was.
Referee was outstanding, two big decisions, penalty and red card correct, although there's an argument to be made for a retake of the penalty as Cluxton was a fair bit off his line.

BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 01/09/2019 17:57:06    2231342

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Replying To facethepuckout:  "David Gough was totally compromised in this game and it showed both ways at different times. Huge non calls for clear kerry frees in the last mins of injury time giving Dublin the turnovers they needed when they were on the rack."
kerry players were diving and he spotted it correctly

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1742 - 01/09/2019 17:57:24    2231344

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "When Cooper piked up his first booking the ref clearly indicated it was for his second foul, he held up two fingers to show this, and he sent him off on his third.#
So therefore he was clearly allowing lads two fouls, obviously not if they were serious, so O'Sullivan git the same treatment he was booked for the first one allowed a second chance same as Cooper was.
Referee was outstanding, two big decisions, penalty and red card correct, although there's an argument to be made for a retake of the penalty as Cluxton was a fair bit off his line."
Watch the game again. Tom O'Sullivan folded twice in first half. Got a yellow in second and should have got a second for rough play. Johnny Cooper got 2 yellows for 3 noting offences. Consistency?

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 223 - 01/09/2019 18:04:30    2231354

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "When Cooper piked up his first booking the ref clearly indicated it was for his second foul, he held up two fingers to show this, and he sent him off on his third.#
So therefore he was clearly allowing lads two fouls, obviously not if they were serious, so O'Sullivan git the same treatment he was booked for the first one allowed a second chance same as Cooper was.
Referee was outstanding, two big decisions, penalty and red card correct, although there's an argument to be made for a retake of the penalty as Cluxton was a fair bit off his line."
Ye penatly was probably the only big decision Gough got wrong, should have been a retake, Cluxton well off his line.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8300 - 01/09/2019 18:09:53    2231364

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Replying To reffingmad:  "Watch the game again. Tom O'Sullivan folded twice in first half. Got a yellow in second and should have got a second for rough play. Johnny Cooper got 2 yellows for 3 noting offences. Consistency?"
Complete consistency it doesn't automatically follow that your next foul after a booking has to be a yellow card

BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 01/09/2019 18:21:26    2231374

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For me it was both a penalty and got the sending off right.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 01/09/2019 18:22:05    2231375

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David Gough was very very poor, so many decisions he got wrong for both sides. He definitely felt the pressure, should not have been put in this position by the GAA. Once the social media storm started he was compromised & it definitely showed today, some of the decisions beggared belief, lucky that it ended in a draw. Felt sorry for both sets of players.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 931 - 01/09/2019 18:25:03    2231378

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Replying To Htaem:  "Ye penatly was probably the only big decision Gough got wrong, should have been a retake, Cluxton well off his line."
Would agree with that. That's the only decision he got wrong.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16270 - 01/09/2019 18:27:23    2231382

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