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David Gough To Referee The Final

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So just to summerise, no one is questioning David Goughs integrity, but many think he wont ref this fairly and shouldnt get the game.

Hmmm.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3166 - 16/08/2019 13:40:43    2226401

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "My God the stupidity of some people the ref for the 2007 Leinster final was a member of the same club as Liam Kearns can people honestly not see the difference!!"
Expain it to us then?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 295 - 16/08/2019 13:43:16    2226403

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Replying To oneoff:  "Expain it to us then?"
No, see are u clever enough to break the extremely cryptic post!!!!

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 872 - 16/08/2019 13:59:33    2226407

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typical GAA anoracks come out and do what their county boards tell them "i.e. we have no problem with the referee"...man works in Dublin, lives in Meath (both counties in Leinster- leave rivalry out of it!) should be a neutral referee from Connaught or Ulster...end of...hurling I think is the same..Leinster referee..not right...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 342 - 16/08/2019 15:53:01    2226459

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Replying To TheUsername:  "So just to summerise, no one is questioning David Goughs integrity, but many think he wont ref this fairly and shouldnt get the game.

Hmmm."
Stop playing dumb. You all know the point being made.

If I was interviewing someone for a job in the morning and had any dealings with them I wouldn't be considered for that interview panel by prospective employers. Nothing to do with my integrity, just correct procedure. In all aspects of life areas occur where we have to be carefull of their appearing to be a possible conflict of interest.

A lot of you Dublin posters have adopted a siege mentality and are arguing for the sake of it.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 16/08/2019 19:02:24    2226542

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "My God the stupidity of some people the ref for the 2007 Leinster final was a member of the same club as Liam Kearns can people honestly not see the difference!!"
It's not about facts anymore it's about deflection. Of course it is obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2164 - 16/08/2019 19:25:33    2226549

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Stop playing dumb. You all know the point being made.

If I was interviewing someone for a job in the morning and had any dealings with them I wouldn't be considered for that interview panel by prospective employers. Nothing to do with my integrity, just correct procedure. In all aspects of life areas occur where we have to be carefull of their appearing to be a possible conflict of interest.

A lot of you Dublin posters have adopted a siege mentality and are arguing for the sake of it."
Right so just to be clear, if you perceive that there may be a conflict of interest you call it out but not on the basis of you questioning the integrity of the person involved. Surely it's implied that you are questioning their integrity whether you like it or not. These guys (refs) are professional in all but name. You are questioning his ability to be impartial, yes? That is questioning his integrity, yes? Just so we are clear.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4135 - 16/08/2019 19:39:01    2226552

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "My God the stupidity of some people the ref for the 2007 Leinster final was a member of the same club as Liam Kearns can people honestly not see the difference!!"
Isn't Gough a member of the same club as Kevin mcminamin? So what point are you trying to make?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10231 - 16/08/2019 19:43:15    2226553

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Replying To Sean.66:  "You are spot on.... David Goughs integrity was never called into question here as he is one off the better refs we have but those who made this decision to appoint him for the Final are proof that dimwits run this organization.. The GAA have put him in a no win situation which can only affect his performance on the day...!"
Well summed up.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 932 - 16/08/2019 20:07:13    2226562

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Replying To TheUsername:  "So just to summerise, no one is questioning David Goughs integrity, but many think he wont ref this fairly and shouldnt get the game.

Hmmm."
Well not for me. I don't live in my home county. So just to explain to you slowly ........ Monaghan is my first county, my other Half's county is my second county of support & my adopted county is my 3rd county. Just saying.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 696 - 16/08/2019 20:18:53    2226567

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Has anyone seen the photo doing the rounds of certain people gathered together around Sam Maguire.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 932 - 16/08/2019 20:20:30    2226569

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Replying To Joxer:  "Right so just to be clear, if you perceive that there may be a conflict of interest you call it out but not on the basis of you questioning the integrity of the person involved. Surely it's implied that you are questioning their integrity whether you like it or not. These guys (refs) are professional in all but name. You are questioning his ability to be impartial, yes? That is questioning his integrity, yes? Just so we are clear."
No it's not implying anything about the person.

Can you not separate the person from the position of all ireland football referee?

We're talking about the position of an all ireland final referee, they should be from a neutral province and have no connection to either county. You all want to make it personal about David Gough. it's not, the rules should apply across the board for EVERYBODY.

Refs who do not live in a competing county or work there, neutral province.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 16/08/2019 20:53:22    2226584

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Replying To Joxer:  "The umpires are all relatives of his from Meath too. Do you seriously think they all love the Dubs? I mean it's a guess but I doubt it."
The GAA have made a terrible call. Goff living working and involved in Dublin GAA should never have got the job especially after the 2016 match. Its not fair on Goff or Kerry and perhaps even Dublin if he over reacts

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 703 - 16/08/2019 23:32:39    2226651

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Yea but hang on a minute, just because a referee is from a neutral province doesn't mean a ref cant have personal bias or dislike towards a county or counties from another province? You could have a ref from Ulster or Connacht appointed who could not stand either Dublin or Kerry.
Being from a finalists province could have zero significance.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 804 - 17/08/2019 09:18:46    2226678

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "No it's not implying anything about the person.

Can you not separate the person from the position of all ireland football referee?

We're talking about the position of an all ireland final referee, they should be from a neutral province and have no connection to either county. You all want to make it personal about David Gough. it's not, the rules should apply across the board for EVERYBODY.

Refs who do not live in a competing county or work there, neutral province."
Same thing though is it not. If people knew that he was going to be impartial then they would not call for his removal. If people doubted that he could be impartial then they would call for his removal. Remember, removal would be hugely damaging to Gough's reputation personally. So people are willing to do this so must have just cause and that is because they are questioning his impartiality. I've spoken to some on the "removal side" this week and they're all saying that "he'll give Dublin everything". Now two were from Kerry and one Kildare but still it's clear that his ability to be impartial is in question.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4135 - 17/08/2019 09:55:14    2226695

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Replying To jobber:  "The GAA have made a terrible call. Goff living working and involved in Dublin GAA should never have got the job especially after the 2016 match. Its not fair on Goff or Kerry and perhaps even Dublin if he over reacts"
Explain hoe he is involved with Dublin GAA?

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1061 - 17/08/2019 10:18:56    2226703

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Replying To Bon:  "Yea but hang on a minute, just because a referee is from a neutral province doesn't mean a ref cant have personal bias or dislike towards a county or counties from another province? You could have a ref from Ulster or Connacht appointed who could not stand either Dublin or Kerry.
Being from a finalists province could have zero significance."
Of course. I have many work colleagues living, working in Dublin, members of clubs but who are from the country. How many are supporting the Dubs v Kerry? Zero.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4135 - 17/08/2019 10:41:52    2226710

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "My God the stupidity of some people the ref for the 2007 Leinster final was a member of the same club as Liam Kearns can people honestly not see the difference!!"
Could you please tell me the difference between 2007 and now? The referee David Gough and Dublin's selector Jason Sherlock both work in DCU. I blame the GAA for putting Gough in this position, he is in a no win situation.

If Kerry played Mayo in the final, there would be no objection to Gough. Not only must justice be done; it must also be seen to be done.

CletusVanDamme (Kerry) - Posts: 62 - 17/08/2019 10:43:56    2226712

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Why was there no objection against Coldrick? It has little to do with where the ref lives and everything to do with them feeling aggrieved at refs decisions. NO other county goes on the way Kerry do about refs.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 3907 - 17/08/2019 11:23:18    2226718

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Feel bad for Gough its a big game for him and kerry have ruined it with all this extra pressure

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 399 - 17/08/2019 11:24:47    2226719

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