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Is This The Golden Age Of Hurling?

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Replying To Faithfull:  "
Replying To baire:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "We were bullied by strong teams this year

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 519 - 08/08/2019 19:39:52 2222787


Bullied?

I see, all of Waterford's problems this year were down to them being "bullied" by the big boys. Nothing to do with the Waterford players, management or county board."
KK were bullied by Tipp for years. When Galway gave KK a hiding in the 2001 ASF Cody vowed that they'd never be bullied like that again! We all know what followed ..."
5 points was hardly a hiding but Galway's physicality that day definitely changed the landscape of hurling for the next decade with KK winning 7 of the next 10. Brian Cody swiftly moved away from the silky Charlie Carter type players and went for predominately big strong men up front."]That 5 point win didn't reflect Galway's dominance on the day. I was at the game. Apart from the tall Joe Rabbitte where was Galway's physicality? Fergal Healy, David Tierney, Kevin Broderick, Ollie Canning, Alan Kerins, Ger Farragher etc. Galway won with fast wristy hurlers and were unlucky to lose the final against Tipp. It was an excuse for Cody to bring in the physicality imo.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 805 - 09/08/2019 18:59:19    2223163

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Too difficult to say if its a golden age but it defintely is a very good time for Hurling. A lot of teams capable of beating each other, exciting matches, less one sided games, new winners each yr for the past while. I think the standard is very high at the minute, due to factors already mentioned, fitness, the ball ,training methods, diet, new innovative tactics etc. Just need to get the other 20 odd counties standards raised.

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 65 - 09/08/2019 21:41:07    2223212

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The answer is no county bar limerick could say they have anywhere near as good a team as they had even 5 year ago certainly 10 yrs ago Clare waterford cork kk tipp galway ..If anything the speed of game has increased due to ball now the weight of tennis ball but the standard of player has dropped no more character either all clones

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 09/08/2019 22:14:56    2223225

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Replying To Buachaillbui:  "Too difficult to say if its a golden age but it defintely is a very good time for Hurling. A lot of teams capable of beating each other, exciting matches, less one sided games, new winners each yr for the past while. I think the standard is very high at the minute, due to factors already mentioned, fitness, the ball ,training methods, diet, new innovative tactics etc. Just need to get the other 20 odd counties standards raised."
It is definitely more interesting and exciting to watch. I fear for player welfare though. These players from the top counties who put their bodies and minds through such punishment and pressure, how will they feel in 20-30 years time not to mention old age? They all say that it's their choice and that it's what they want to do but if you look at the likes of Richie Power who has admitted publicly that he regrets playing for so long and is suffering greatly as a result of his injuries, it's a huge issue, one that is not being addressed or even debated. It's fine for managers, coaches and supporters to be obsessed with winning All Irelands but a player's health and welfare should come first.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 805 - 10/08/2019 08:42:10    2223272

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Replying To baire:  "It is definitely more interesting and exciting to watch. I fear for player welfare though. These players from the top counties who put their bodies and minds through such punishment and pressure, how will they feel in 20-30 years time not to mention old age? They all say that it's their choice and that it's what they want to do but if you look at the likes of Richie Power who has admitted publicly that he regrets playing for so long and is suffering greatly as a result of his injuries, it's a huge issue, one that is not being addressed or even debated. It's fine for managers, coaches and supporters to be obsessed with winning All Irelands but a player's health and welfare should come first."
Absolutely player welfare has not improved in the slightest in fact it has in my opinion it has gone completely the other way. Its often a point not discussed on the Sunday Game or on most media sources. The sacrifices and demands on players is beyond acceptable. With regards injuries sustained take Darach Honan for example, absolutely disgracefully treated after giving so much to Clare. That was shameful. And obviously there are numerous examples in both codes and all counties.

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 65 - 10/08/2019 13:41:54    2223359

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "The answer is no county bar limerick could say they have anywhere near as good a team as they had even 5 year ago certainly 10 yrs ago Clare waterford cork kk tipp galway ..If anything the speed of game has increased due to ball now the weight of tennis ball but the standard of player has dropped no more character either all clones"
Hard to argue with. The fact that tipp and kk are back in the final. Tipps main men are close to or at the 30 Mark now and kk are pretty much the same.
Definitely more exciting the last two years but quality wise probably not as high as the early part of the decade

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2771 - 10/08/2019 15:50:22    2223403

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...due to ball [Sliotar] now the weight of tennis ball

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 43 - 09/08/2019 22:14:56 2223225


When was the last time you held a tennis ball or a sliotar?

The official mass of a tennis: between 56.0-59.4 g (1.98-2.10 ounces)

The mass of a sliotar: between 110 and 120 g (3.9 and 4.2 oz).

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 753 - 11/08/2019 15:06:57    2223985

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "...due to ball [Sliotar
now the weight of tennis ball

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 43 - 09/08/2019 22:14:56 2223225


When was the last time you held a tennis ball or a sliotar?

The official mass of a tennis: between 56.0-59.4 g (1.98-2.10 ounces)

The mass of a sliotar: between 110 and 120 g (3.9 and 4.2 oz)."]Thanks for physics lesson I think most people got the jist lad

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 11/08/2019 17:12:20    2224083

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "The answer is no county bar limerick could say they have anywhere near as good a team as they had even 5 year ago certainly 10 yrs ago Clare waterford cork kk tipp galway ..If anything the speed of game has increased due to ball now the weight of tennis ball but the standard of player has dropped no more character either all clones"
Has this anything to do with the fact that Cork are not the power they once were just now???

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2363 - 11/08/2019 17:53:25    2224136

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "The answer is no county bar limerick could say they have anywhere near as good a team as they had even 5 year ago certainly 10 yrs ago Clare waterford cork kk tipp galway ..If anything the speed of game has increased due to ball now the weight of tennis ball but the standard of player has dropped no more character either all clones"
could you tell us why there are no characters in the game,or maybe tell us what is your definition of a character? who might the present players be clones of? I am interested in your take on the present game

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 471 - 11/08/2019 18:57:02    2224200

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Replying To mooncat:  "could you tell us why there are no characters in the game,or maybe tell us what is your definition of a character? who might the present players be clones of? I am interested in your take on the present game"
There are no characters anymore because if u are individual or step out if line off the pitch u are thrown off the panel it's all about the "process now stick to the plan don't deviate even if u see better options or u will be dropped be good boys do same diets same strenth and conditioning don't celebrate after wins with your mates like professional rugby players do or yes u be dropped managers don't want players with their own minds and ideas any more they want clones as I've said who are good boys and stay in line ..
Now there's my take even though i know u had no more interest in it than the man on the moon .....

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 11/08/2019 19:54:12    2224242

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Has this anything to do with the fact that Cork are not the power they once were just now???"
Yes that's exactly why I don't believe this is a " golden era " yawn ...........but hey it sure is floor limerick eh? What s rare is beautiful

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 11/08/2019 19:56:37    2224244

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "...due to ball [Sliotar
now the weight of tennis ball

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 43 - 09/08/2019 22:14:56 2223225


When was the last time you held a tennis ball or a sliotar?

The official mass of a tennis: between 56.0-59.4 g (1.98-2.10 ounces)

The mass of a sliotar: between 110 and 120 g (3.9 and 4.2 oz)."
Thanks for physics lesson I think most people got the jist lad"]I see u wrote this response twice thanks for the physics lesson my point is now completely null and void Damn!

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 11/08/2019 19:58:28    2224246

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "There are no characters anymore because if u are individual or step out if line off the pitch u are thrown off the panel it's all about the "process now stick to the plan don't deviate even if u see better options or u will be dropped be good boys do same diets same strenth and conditioning don't celebrate after wins with your mates like professional rugby players do or yes u be dropped managers don't want players with their own minds and ideas any more they want clones as I've said who are good boys and stay in line ..
Now there's my take even though i know u had no more interest in it than the man on the moon ....."
What is wrong with 'good boys who stay in line'. We in Limerick might have won at least one All Ireland in each of the last three decades if we had good boys who stayed in line. Instead we always had a few 'characters' who thought they knew more than their managers how things should be done or even undermined said management. I am with the lads who commit to a common cause and give it very honest best. It is no use having 80% of a panel giving their all and the other 20 undermining every thing. For all their characters Cork Tipp and Kilkenny were always in a position, and overall will always be, to dispense with the services of those who would not fully commit.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2363 - 11/08/2019 22:32:37    2224329

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "...due to ball [Sliotar
now the weight of tennis ball

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 43 - 09/08/2019 22:14:56 2223225


When was the last time you held a tennis ball or a sliotar?

The official mass of a tennis: between 56.0-59.4 g (1.98-2.10 ounces)

The mass of a sliotar: between 110 and 120 g (3.9 and 4.2 oz)."]Is that before or after Donal óg soaks the sliotar in water overnight?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1085 - 11/08/2019 23:18:00    2224359

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "There are no characters anymore because if u are individual or step out if line off the pitch u are thrown off the panel it's all about the "process now stick to the plan don't deviate even if u see better options or u will be dropped be good boys do same diets same strenth and conditioning don't celebrate after wins with your mates like professional rugby players do or yes u be dropped managers don't want players with their own minds and ideas any more they want clones as I've said who are good boys and stay in line ..
Now there's my take even though i know u had no more interest in it than the man on the moon ....."
Nothing got to do with clones, Cork went on strike because they wanted a professional set up. Nobody forces a player to do strength and conditioning, eat a strict diet or not to drink a few pints at the weekend. If you want to play at the top level that is the required commitment. If you don't then somebody else will step in and take your place.

The only thing I would disagree with is that the players get little reward for their effort. Honestly I think every registered GAA inter county player should be given tax breaks if not a full tax refund at the end of the year as a thank you for entertaining the whole country.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 12/08/2019 09:33:01    2224454

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "The answer is no county bar limerick could say they have anywhere near as good a team as they had even 5 year ago certainly 10 yrs ago Clare waterford cork kk tipp galway ..If anything the speed of game has increased due to ball now the weight of tennis ball but the standard of player has dropped no more character either all clones"
We have a far better team than 5 or 10 years ago. Clare have a better team than 10 years ago. Corks team is probably better or at least as good as 5 years ago. Won 2 Munsters in a row in the last 3 years. Waterford have gone back ok from 5 years ago. Galway are alot better than they were 10-5 years ago. Been very good the last 4 years ezcept this 1 especially. 1st time Liam was down there in 30 odd years 2 years ago.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 822 - 12/08/2019 09:45:01    2224462

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Replying To Faithfull:  "Nothing got to do with clones, Cork went on strike because they wanted a professional set up. Nobody forces a player to do strength and conditioning, eat a strict diet or not to drink a few pints at the weekend. If you want to play at the top level that is the required commitment. If you don't then somebody else will step in and take your place.

The only thing I would disagree with is that the players get little reward for their effort. Honestly I think every registered GAA inter county player should be given tax breaks if not a full tax refund at the end of the year as a thank you for entertaining the whole country."
Cork?????? What conversation u in lad

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 12/08/2019 09:52:45    2224474

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "What is wrong with 'good boys who stay in line'. We in Limerick might have won at least one All Ireland in each of the last three decades if we had good boys who stayed in line. Instead we always had a few 'characters' who thought they knew more than their managers how things should be done or even undermined said management. I am with the lads who commit to a common cause and give it very honest best. It is no use having 80% of a panel giving their all and the other 20 undermining every thing. For all their characters Cork Tipp and Kilkenny were always in a position, and overall will always be, to dispense with the services of those who would not fully commit."
Thanks for missing the point and addressing nothing

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 12/08/2019 09:54:09    2224477

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "The answer is no county bar limerick could say they have anywhere near as good a team as they had even 5 year ago certainly 10 yrs ago Clare waterford cork kk tipp galway ..If anything the speed of game has increased due to ball now the weight of tennis ball but the standard of player has dropped no more character either all clones"
Disagree, Laois are miles better than they were five years ago. Actually I think it's a golden age with skill level also to see a team like Laois competitive in an All Ireland quarter final shows that we are living in a golden age. Limerick and Wexford provincial champions as well. More to hurling than the Munster teams. The current format is working fine in my opinion just because the "right teams" don't make the business end of the All Ireland. Laois would never make a quarter final under any other system. The aim for the powers that be is to get the likes of Laois , Offaly and Westmeath up to the next level. Only argument against the current format is that teams are gone by mid June. No team should be gone by July 8th . Start championship later insert weeks for club championship to keep clubs happy . Ie play club hurling championship the weeks that there is intercounty football weekends. Might spell the end of dual player but so be it.

Ben (None) - Posts: 80 - 12/08/2019 09:56:38    2224482

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