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Is This The Golden Age Of Hurling?

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Replying To Canuck:  "I got over it before leaving my seat. Glad when beaten that Galway were the team who got the All-Ireland."
Joe Canning expressed eloquently how most Galway supporters felt about winning that All Ireland, that there was a tinge of sadness there since we had defeated a team that had waited longer than ourselves.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 805 - 07/08/2019 09:26:20    2222042

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Replying To Faithfull:  "You have to look at the number of games teams are getting now.

Shefflin (currently top scorer) played 71 championship games in 15 seasons averaging 4.7 games per year.
Eddie Keher played 50 games in 18 seasons averaging 2.8 games per year.
Christy Ring played 65 games over 23 seasons averaging 2.8 games per year also.

Teams now have 4 games before they get out of their province so I can't imagine Shefflin keeping his record for too long.

Added to this, the hurl now has a much bigger boss for striking."
More games definitely helps. I guess "Points Per Game" might be a more accurate snapshot of this topic.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 510 - 07/08/2019 11:45:31    2222118

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "In the corresponding decade in the last centuries eight different counties won it. I suppose we will never see the likes of that again."
I think with the current format we are likely to see more variety in the winners.

Between 96 and 2001 just as the back door came in we had 6 different counties winning the final.

If KK win 2019 then we will have 4 different winners in the last 4 years. Doing back to back in this new system will be incredibly difficult with the number of games teams have to play.

Interesting stat, if Tipp win Sunday week, with the exception of Brian Cody who has won 11 All Irelands as manager, Liam Sheedy will be the first manager to win 2 All Irelands since Ger Loughnane with Clare in 1997. He will also be the first manager to beat Brian Cody is back to back championship games. Incredible stat after 20 years.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 07/08/2019 12:49:18    2222149

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Agree pretty much with what Faithfull wrote above.

But being selfish, this is the golden era. After we won the final last year, by Thursday it was a case of 'cop on you can't be going out drinking again tonight'. Tried it, got to about 10.30, staring at the ceiling, wired, so off to the local for some more celebratory drinks. The place was full ............

Absolute'y fantastic 18 months and just thinking that it must have been the same for Galway fans in 2017, Clare in 2013.

Golden eras really are when counties end barren spells. Straw Hats, pitch invasions, cider ............ Tá an áthas orm an corn seo a glacadh ar son Fireann INSERT_CHAOS_HERE

Laochra Ale!

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6189 - 07/08/2019 13:15:47    2222155

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GOLDEN AGE!!!!What does this over used phrase mean ??? Yes it's been a more widely competitive few years but as far as I remember in my lifetime the mid 90s to mid noughties it was brilliant 15 men vs 15 men man on man hell for leather no inch given or taken ....the compulsory helmet rule has definitely taken away from the game the passion on the faces the easy identification it was just way better safety trumps all yes but at a cost

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 07/08/2019 14:47:19    2222208

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Replying To baire:  "Joe Canning expressed eloquently how most Galway supporters felt about winning that All Ireland, that there was a tinge of sadness there since we had defeated a team that had waited longer than ourselves."
I was ecstatic for Galway but yes felt bad for Waterford. I know exactly what Canning meant.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 510 - 07/08/2019 17:04:08    2222287

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Replying To baire:  "Joe Canning expressed eloquently how most Galway supporters felt about winning that All Ireland, that there was a tinge of sadness there since we had defeated a team that had waited longer than ourselves."
I could not envy Galway. The respect for one of the most graceful hurler ever to play the game John Connolly. His brothers, P.J.Qualter, P.J. Molloy, Joe Mc, Peter Finnerty, Sean Silke the bold Sylvia and the list goes on and on. What is sad for me is the amount of great players in many counties who never reach the summit. Our 2017 team were not the greatest. When you look at the one before it. Mullane , Flynn, Dan, Ken, Pendergast, Kelly, Molumphy, Brown and Hartley. More than half of the team were stars and a supporting cast that were decent as well. Could not win with that line up makes you wonder if it will ever happen.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 684 - 07/08/2019 19:27:05    2222343

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Replying To Canuck:  "I could not envy Galway. The respect for one of the most graceful hurler ever to play the game John Connolly. His brothers, P.J.Qualter, P.J. Molloy, Joe Mc, Peter Finnerty, Sean Silke the bold Sylvia and the list goes on and on. What is sad for me is the amount of great players in many counties who never reach the summit. Our 2017 team were not the greatest. When you look at the one before it. Mullane , Flynn, Dan, Ken, Pendergast, Kelly, Molumphy, Brown and Hartley. More than half of the team were stars and a supporting cast that were decent as well. Could not win with that line up makes you wonder if it will ever happen."
Not forgetting the stylish great No 7 Iggy Clarke for Galway in the 70's & 80's! Waterford had fine teams in '98 and '07 lovely individual hurlers.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 785 - 07/08/2019 19:48:46    2222358

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Replying To katser:  "Not forgetting the stylish great No 7 Iggy Clarke for Galway in the 70's & 80's! Waterford had fine teams in '98 and '07 lovely individual hurlers."
Ment Waterford team '08

katser (Galway) - Posts: 785 - 07/08/2019 20:17:49    2222389

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Replying To Canuck:  "I could not envy Galway. The respect for one of the most graceful hurler ever to play the game John Connolly. His brothers, P.J.Qualter, P.J. Molloy, Joe Mc, Peter Finnerty, Sean Silke the bold Sylvia and the list goes on and on. What is sad for me is the amount of great players in many counties who never reach the summit. Our 2017 team were not the greatest. When you look at the one before it. Mullane , Flynn, Dan, Ken, Pendergast, Kelly, Molumphy, Brown and Hartley. More than half of the team were stars and a supporting cast that were decent as well. Could not win with that line up makes you wonder if it will ever happen."
Those Waterford players that you mention were wonderful hurlers, skillful, passionate and very exciting to watch, it's an awful shame they didn't win an All Ireland. I remember Ken and Brown esp as real heroes and wonderful sportsmen. There were some great Galway players who never won an All Ireland, Ollie Canning probably the most stylish and best hurler of them all, and we had the tragic loss of the wonderful Niall Donoghue.
Waterford will have good days again Canuck. It will probably take a few years but the hurlers will come and hopefully win an All Ireland in the next decade.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 805 - 07/08/2019 22:48:34    2222502

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Replying To Canuck:  "I could not envy Galway. The respect for one of the most graceful hurler ever to play the game John Connolly. His brothers, P.J.Qualter, P.J. Molloy, Joe Mc, Peter Finnerty, Sean Silke the bold Sylvia and the list goes on and on. What is sad for me is the amount of great players in many counties who never reach the summit. Our 2017 team were not the greatest. When you look at the one before it. Mullane , Flynn, Dan, Ken, Pendergast, Kelly, Molumphy, Brown and Hartley. More than half of the team were stars and a supporting cast that were decent as well. Could not win with that line up makes you wonder if it will ever happen."
It will happen sooner or later. Too many good Hurlers in Waterford for it not to happen.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 510 - 08/08/2019 00:27:59    2222538

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Replying To baire:  "Those Waterford players that you mention were wonderful hurlers, skillful, passionate and very exciting to watch, it's an awful shame they didn't win an All Ireland. I remember Ken and Brown esp as real heroes and wonderful sportsmen. There were some great Galway players who never won an All Ireland, Ollie Canning probably the most stylish and best hurler of them all, and we had the tragic loss of the wonderful Niall Donoghue.
Waterford will have good days again Canuck. It will probably take a few years but the hurlers will come and hopefully win an All Ireland in the next decade."
Yes so many great players in Galway who did not win All Irelands. Joe Salmon, Jimmy Duggan come to mind from way back and men like Eugene Cloonan, Kevin Broderick and who was the wing back that won MOM in the '93 Final, a really classy player. But of course great players from many different counties did not win All Irelands either.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2363 - 08/08/2019 09:52:17    2222575

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yes so many great players in Galway who did not win All Irelands. Joe Salmon, Jimmy Duggan come to mind from way back and men like Eugene Cloonan, Kevin Broderick and who was the wing back that won MOM in the '93 Final, a really classy player. But of course great players from many different counties did not win All Irelands either."
Indeed from all hurling counties, including the traditional ones. But when it comes to teams, outside of the big three, Waterford, Galway and Limerick spring to mind, of great teams who came very close but failed to win the All Ireland.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 805 - 08/08/2019 11:34:00    2222627

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yes so many great players in Galway who did not win All Irelands. Joe Salmon, Jimmy Duggan come to mind from way back and men like Eugene Cloonan, Kevin Broderick and who was the wing back that won MOM in the '93 Final, a really classy player. But of course great players from many different counties did not win All Irelands either."
Padraig Kelly was that man, 1993 wing back.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 08/08/2019 11:49:44    2222631

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Replying To baire:  "Indeed from all hurling counties, including the traditional ones. But when it comes to teams, outside of the big three, Waterford, Galway and Limerick spring to mind, of great teams who came very close but failed to win the All Ireland."
I always felt bad for Sean Stack of Clare, John Mullane of Waterford, etc. Of today's players I wonder if Patrick Horgan will ever get one.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 510 - 08/08/2019 14:21:29    2222691

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Replying To Trump2020:  "I always felt bad for Sean Stack of Clare, John Mullane of Waterford, etc. Of today's players I wonder if Patrick Horgan will ever get one."
Tony Browne from Waterford. Hurled with them until he was 40 years old and never won one.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 08/08/2019 16:54:50    2222744

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Padraig Kelly was that man, 1993 wing back."
Kelly was a serious hurler, a class bit of stuff. Scored a cracking point that day too.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 804 - 08/08/2019 17:43:26    2222760

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Passionate about Waterford hurling but in my opinion we are never physical enough. Then do stupid things out of frustration like pulling wild and getting sent off. Don't believe for one second that especially Kilkenny (others also) feast on our timidness. We were bullied by strong teams this year. Look at the league (useless competition) this year our skillful players ran huge scores up on the 1B teams. Where was that when we had to match up to the big boys?

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 684 - 08/08/2019 19:39:52    2222787

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Replying To baire:  "Indeed from all hurling counties, including the traditional ones. But when it comes to teams, outside of the big three, Waterford, Galway and Limerick spring to mind, of great teams who came very close but failed to win the All Ireland."
don't forget fine Clare teams in the 50s,60,70s and 8s. They never seemed to get a lucky break, but still had the most brilliant supporters and then we had '95 and '97. Almost as good as '73 and'18. Well not quite but close.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2363 - 08/08/2019 20:18:19    2222804

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limerick got a lucky all ireland hardly a golden age..

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 399 - 08/08/2019 20:47:39    2222814

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