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Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded'

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "County and games development funds should be distributed based in the number of registered players. Distributing funds based on population makes sense of you're running a country. The figure for county funds was €12.5 million in 2015. Games development was €10.3 million. I'm using the 2015 figures because the latest figures for the number of registered players in each county are for 2015. The figure is 369315.

Dublin: 39197 players (10.61% of the population)
Total: €2,419,080

Cork: 33832 (9.16%)
Total: €2,088,480

Galway: 21681 (5.87% of the population)
Total: €1,338,360

Down: 10373 (2.89% of the population)
Total: €658,920

Leitrim: 3570 (0.96% of the population)
Total: €218,880"
Why should it be based on number of registered players?

Why should it be based on any one metric. It shouldn't be the way. There shouldn't be a nice neat mathematical equation distributing funds.

Money should be used in a way where it has the maximum impact. It should be done in a strategic manner and with an aim of getting the most good out of the money rather than just divided out to maintain an illusion of "fairness"

Development money should be spent on how best to grow the sport. Potential growth areas should be more heavily invested in.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/07/2019 16:35:10    2217135

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "89.7% of statistics quoted are made up on the spot."
Forums should have a super thumbsup like a super like. Your post would get mine today Lion. Cheered me right up!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7373 - 27/07/2019 16:38:27    2217138

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Replying To greysoil:  "The faux county allegiance really slipping Whammo."
I answered this on another thread and I've never hidden anything.

I am from Antrim, lived and played in Antrim until I began working in Dublin.

I played my football in Meath though, married a Meath woman. Whilst I now live in Dublin my allegiance would be Antrim first, Meath second.

Regardless of allegiance I can appreciate the job that Dublin county board have done.

I hope both Antrim and Meath can do similar.

I am less involved now in any shape or form with Antrim but I do think they are on the right track with Gaelfast.

It's putting a focus on getting strong links between schools and clubs and I hope it leads to a greater number of players coming through.

In Meath I think there's a lot of work to be done to get the most out of the playing talent.

It's less a case about getting numbers out and more about getting standards up.

I think over time things will improve.

The East Meath clubs are doing some excellent work.

Dunboyne, Rathoath, St Colmcille's seem to be going about things the right way.

I think there are still problems in North Meath, these clubs are struggling for numbers. Their underage teams are playing at low levels in the county leagues. I think there are too many clubs in Meath probably and too many levels for underage. A talented player in a weaker club is going to get fewer opportunities weak in weak out to develop themselves.

I think they've also put to much effort into development squads. For years you'll hear about the good team coming through in Meath.

They've tried to centralise their excellence but it's not spreading the development to a wide enough net.

I honestly don't understand your preoccupation with my allegiances anyway.

I have the capacity to think beyond the limits of what's good for my own teams.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/07/2019 17:09:17    2217142

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Well said. Especially your last sentence. Something sadly lacking on HS.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 27/07/2019 17:45:06    2217154

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Why should it be based on number of registered players?

Why should it be based on any one metric. It shouldn't be the way. There shouldn't be a nice neat mathematical equation distributing funds.

Money should be used in a way where it has the maximum impact. It should be done in a strategic manner and with an aim of getting the most good out of the money rather than just divided out to maintain an illusion of "fairness"

Development money should be spent on how best to grow the sport. Potential growth areas should be more heavily invested in."
Funding is always based one nice neat mathematic equation or another. I want to see the game grow in every county. This is the first step. The next step is to look at other factors such as revenue raised from sponsors and the current state of Gaelic games in every county. The current formula isn't fit for purpose.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 27/07/2019 17:48:44    2217155

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I answered this on another thread and I've never hidden anything.

I am from Antrim, lived and played in Antrim until I began working in Dublin.

I played my football in Meath though, married a Meath woman. Whilst I now live in Dublin my allegiance would be Antrim first, Meath second.

Regardless of allegiance I can appreciate the job that Dublin county board have done.

I hope both Antrim and Meath can do similar.

I am less involved now in any shape or form with Antrim but I do think they are on the right track with Gaelfast.

It's putting a focus on getting strong links between schools and clubs and I hope it leads to a greater number of players coming through.

In Meath I think there's a lot of work to be done to get the most out of the playing talent.

It's less a case about getting numbers out and more about getting standards up.

I think over time things will improve.

The East Meath clubs are doing some excellent work.

Dunboyne, Rathoath, St Colmcille's seem to be going about things the right way.

I think there are still problems in North Meath, these clubs are struggling for numbers. Their underage teams are playing at low levels in the county leagues. I think there are too many clubs in Meath probably and too many levels for underage. A talented player in a weaker club is going to get fewer opportunities weak in weak out to develop themselves.

I think they've also put to much effort into development squads. For years you'll hear about the good team coming through in Meath.

They've tried to centralise their excellence but it's not spreading the development to a wide enough net.

I honestly don't understand your preoccupation with my allegiances anyway.

I have the capacity to think beyond the limits of what's good for my own teams."
Gr8 point Ledge. Keep em coming

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 27/07/2019 17:49:59    2217156

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Funding is always based one nice neat mathematic equation or another. I want to see the game grow in every county. This is the first step. The next step is to look at other factors such as revenue raised from sponsors and the current state of Gaelic games in every county. The current formula isn't fit for purpose."
So do I.

There's so much great work being done across the country.

Everyone is preoccupied with Dublin they don't see it.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/07/2019 18:18:14    2217163

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Replying To Jackeen:  "Well said. Especially your last sentence. Something sadly lacking on HS."
Is it only online you dismiss anyone who disagrees with you or do you do it in the real world as well?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 27/07/2019 18:27:14    2217167

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Replying To westkerry:  "Copy, paste, repeat.
Absurd and ridiculous suggestion that funding is based on population.
So effectively money is given to Dublin to cover certain demographic that will never play the game?
I can see it now, Mrs Doyle 80 years of age throwing on the boots for a kick around in bushy park."
I hope so, is that not a bit ageist, can't older people be involved in Gaelic games.

The rest of your post is you bed wetting, you don't have a clue on the formula.

I won't be arguing with anyone who mentions registered players and who have that level of information on the debate, it's clueless stuff really and lads just venting. No personal offense intended.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/07/2019 18:57:37    2217170

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Funding is always based one nice neat mathematic equation or another. I want to see the game grow in every county. This is the first step. The next step is to look at other factors such as revenue raised from sponsors and the current state of Gaelic games in every county. The current formula isn't fit for purpose."
The development money has given dividends to Dublin and they've put good plans in place and used it smartly. But they're well developed now. I suggest the GAA now adapt a bottom up development plan starting in so-called weaker counties. Part of it could be used to fire up kids imaginations into getting them involved in the GAA and keeping them involved in an era if ever-gr pi wing distractions for their attention. No more than any other sports trying to do this it needs more patience and imagination rather than throwing money at it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7373 - 27/07/2019 19:03:24    2217171

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Replying To Whammo86:  "So do I.

There's so much great work being done across the country.

Everyone is preoccupied with Dublin they don't see it."
Well said ledge

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 27/07/2019 19:58:53    2217191

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Well said ledge"
Thanks sweetie

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/07/2019 20:59:27    2217244

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "The development money has given dividends to Dublin and they've put good plans in place and used it smartly. But they're well developed now. I suggest the GAA now adapt a bottom up development plan starting in so-called weaker counties. Part of it could be used to fire up kids imaginations into getting them involved in the GAA and keeping them involved in an era if ever-gr pi wing distractions for their attention. No more than any other sports trying to do this it needs more patience and imagination rather than throwing money at it."
I'm not suggesting that we throw money at counties. Of course they a solid plan in place but it does require money to implement that plan.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 27/07/2019 21:12:02    2217258

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I hope so, is that not a bit ageist, can't older people be involved in Gaelic games.

The rest of your post is you bed wetting, you don't have a clue on the formula.

I won't be arguing with anyone who mentions registered players and who have that level of information on the debate, it's clueless stuff really and lads just venting. No personal offense intended."
I.E. I wont debate with anyone who challenges me!!! don't worry West Kerry that amadan spends he's days pretending to be some level headed deep thinker on here. The minute ya challenge him the curtains fall ;D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/07/2019 21:36:01    2217282

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Im guessing the Analyst is a Dub who knows how fickle and gullible the social media world is..

When you keep firing s...t. at a wall , eventually some sticks....

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 27/07/2019 21:58:17    2217297

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "
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Rob Hartnett the CEO of Sport for business thinks Dublin are actually underfunded according to the Irish Examiner.

"But when you think about that, we've got about 33% of the population - you could argue that we're actually being underfunded".

Interesting views, maybe we have it wrong and Dublin should get an increase."
In all fairness this article insults people's intelligence. I can understand a bit the argument of funding Dublin a bit above their playing numbers as there would seem to be potential to grow the game there but the figures that have come into the public domain show their funding is way way out of proportion to they playing numbers. It's also a mis use of statistics, he says Dublin has one third of the population of Ireland, he ignores that the GAA is organised on a 32 county basis so Dublin has actually one fifth of the Irish population, based on that even by population Dublin would be over funded. Does that mean New York and London should get 6 times as much funding as Dublin (using this example to show how ridiculous it is saying funding should only be based on your population only)."
Excellent point!

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 27/07/2019 22:09:23    2217300

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Replying To Bon:  "As will many neutrals who are big enough to admit that this is greatest football team of all time."
There are no neutrals in the GAA.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 27/07/2019 22:11:03    2217301

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Replying To essmac:  "There are no neutrals in the GAA."
Maybe that's just when any other county plays tyrone.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1916 - 27/07/2019 22:39:13    2217321

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Replying To essmac:  "There are no neutrals in the GAA."
I was a neutral spectator of the hurling today. Does that mean I can't be in the GAA?

steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 27/07/2019 22:48:50    2217327

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Not sure why the hell I am even reading this thread, heard all these arguements a million times before.

Personally I feel funding should go to where it is needed most. The funding is not needed for the traditional big counties to spend on county teams, give more to the likes of Leitrim. They are a footballing mad county with a small population, surely these counties deserve more.

Funding of the county teams is getting out of control if you ask me. We are headed for professionalism, if not already there. Counties spending millions is just ridiculous.

The current Dublin team are really fantastic and I am a huge admirer. I wouldnt agree with people trying to downgrade their achievements. For me this is separate from the funding issue.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 27/07/2019 23:09:10    2217339

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