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link Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 26/07/2019 19:06:21 2216887 Link 9 |
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Scrambling for counter-arguments now. Christ almighty. This takes the biscuit. Maybe if the other 31 counties' funding is pitched together, we can help the Dubs survive. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 26/07/2019 19:43:51 2216901 Link 9 |
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Clearly we need a thread on HS to discuss this. I'm surprised at the lack of discussion about this topic already! Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 26/07/2019 19:46:09 2216902 Link 1 |
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Bigger fish smaller fish ad-infinitum Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/07/2019 20:12:52 2216910 Link 0 |
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Do you only want to hear it your way? Perhaps that's not very productive? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 26/07/2019 20:29:05 2216914 Link 5 |
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Sure Username has continually pointed this out jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 26/07/2019 20:30:27 2216915 Link 5 |
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28% of the population based on the last census, and 20% if you include the 6 counties no? Not sure where he's getting the 33% from, would have expected better from Rob to be honest. I'm sure somebody will be along soon enough to say 5% isn't much of a difference but if your income, expenditure, membership or readership dropped by 5% it would seem like a big figure no doubt. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 26/07/2019 21:00:35 2216920 Link 2 |
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Maybe we could lock yourself a couple of Kildare accounts, the Kerry WUM accounts, Legends' many fake accounts pretending to be from other counties and a couple of more into a Dublin Money forum where you can discuss the topic ad-nauseam and to your hearts' content, continuing your obsession with the boys in blue. Meanwhile the rest of us may continue talking about the sport. There was a time when us Dubs used to take a hiding when starting a thread on the main forum about Dublin. Now every second thread is about the Dubs and few if any started by a Dub. Obsessed doesn't even begin to describe it.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/07/2019 21:50:21 2216931 Link 9 |
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It's not about my way. Look at the figures. They do the talking. They can be spun any way you like but they speak volumes.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 26/07/2019 21:53:40 2216932 Link 7 |
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In all fairness this article insults people's intelligence. I can understand a bit the argument of funding Dublin a bit above their playing numbers as there would seem to be potential to grow the game there but the figures that have come into the public domain show their funding is way way out of proportion to they playing numbers. It's also a mis use of statistics, he says Dublin has one third of the population of Ireland, he ignores that the GAA is organised on a 32 county basis so Dublin has actually one fifth of the Irish population, based on that even by population Dublin would be over funded. Does that mean New York and London should get 6 times as much funding as Dublin (using this example to show how ridiculous it is saying funding should only be based on your population only).
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1361 - 26/07/2019 21:54:35 2216934 Link 9 |
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Who cares people believe whatever they want as they say alternative facts to suit the agenda they push, but us dubs will enjoy this team and the happiness it has brought us hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 26/07/2019 22:16:53 2216943 Link 10 |
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To be fair I'm sure he only mentioned Roscommon due to McStay mentioning them recently too - as he says in the piece. The flip side of that though is that if he mentioned Kildare or Meath and look at it on the same pro-rata basis then Dublin should have half the number of GPO's the have at the moment, obviously though it's better all round if Kildare and Meath have double the amount the currently have. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 26/07/2019 22:44:26 2216951 Link 0 |
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Ha ha ha. David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 26/07/2019 23:33:50 2216964 Link 0 |
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A serious question!! Tizcold (Galway) - Posts: 239 - 27/07/2019 02:14:43 2216988 Link 2 |
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Why are you listening to Dublin supporter food casts??? witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 27/07/2019 02:42:15 2216992 Link 1 |
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London should have 18 times the amount of funding based on his rationale...utter rubbish! mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 27/07/2019 08:24:03 2217004 Link 2 |
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As will many neutrals who are big enough to admit that this is greatest football team of all time.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1916 - 27/07/2019 09:06:22 2217008 Link 3 |
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You can flip the argument really. Arguably Dublin have been underfunded for years and really what you can say, is that other counties particularly Kerry with their geographical and financial advantages have had massive and artificial advantages toward their success. Let me elaborate. Those that say Dublin are financially doped do so on the basis of accepting finances to registered players that is flawed, because GDF is designated to go to registered players its designated to attract players who are not registered essentially school children etc. So that the flaw in the argument. The second issue for those with a problem of Dublin funding is, is the 18 mill figure since 2007 in comparison to other counties. Yet that argument doesn't take into account the cumulative population those funds meet over the same period, it works out as a ratio of just over a euro a head, which is good but far off a lot of counties. So essentially both arguments are flawed. Ive often presented the metric for GDF per head of population which is fairer in my opinion, though id acknowledge not perfect, but i suspect likely closer to the model the GAA use based on recent comments, the break down is this: Monaghan GDF 124.000, Population of Monaghan 60.483 2.05 per head. Dublin GDF 1.3 mill, population 1.34 mill, ratio = 97 cent per head. Kerry GDF 197.600 euro, population of Kerry 147.000, ratio = 1.34 euro per head. Mayo GDF 134.29 euro, population of Mayo, 130.5k, ratio = 1.02 euro per head. Tyrone GDF 119.000 euro, population 177.9k = 66 cent per head Galway GDF 184.4k euro, population 258.0k = 71cent per head. Donegal GDF 130.2k euro, population 159.1k = 81 cent per head. Kildare GDF 341.3k euro, population 222.5k = 1.53 euro per head Roscommon GDF, 146k euro, population 66.5k = 2.2 euro per head. Cork GDF, 249k euro, population 542k = 45 cent per head. Meath GDF, 367.4k, population 195.0 = 1.88 euro per head. *That before provincial grants, east Leinster project supplements - Dublin dont get. So really other counties get significantly more then above. So we can see that with the change the Dublins funding back in the 00's there is a fair argument there, that the funding just about brought Dublin up to about level with other countries given their specific context for the first time in DUlin history. But lets think back before that, Dublin back before the ISC grant were getting about the same as Kerry, Cork, Meath, Kildare, yet had to spread that around a much larger population. Obviously counties with smaller populations could make that money go further. Thus Dublin were at a disadvantage to other counties and arguably those counties were financially doped when facing Dublin. Its only with an equity of funding per head of population has Dublin been able to compete on a level playing field with every one else. Its actually quite remarkable how successful we have been before the funding became equitable. People talk of financial doping, arguably we have a right to discredit any rival out there who got the better of us, as i would contend its only since the 00s that funding per context has been made equal. People dont like it etc, as they may have seen themselves a some remarkable county rather then one advantaged, but its certainly more equatable then it ever has been. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/07/2019 09:49:59 2217012 Link 7 |
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There is a reason he is putting out that school of thought. He is a CEO after all. Money talks and the big hitters are in the Capital. Reality is it is beyond childish to base it on population figures. Conveniently simplistic. Equally though on the flip side it is too simplistic to equate Dubs success with financial investment as obviously the investment has been spent wisely. The key is to redirect and redistribute the gravy train better and more equitably. kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 27/07/2019 10:04:32 2217014 Link 2 |
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At this stage Dublin supporters seem to be the GAA equivalent of climate change deniers ;D TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/07/2019 10:37:23 2217021 Link 6 |