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Replying To Donegalman: "Legendxix = centrefield = omahant = green_gold" It's amusing after all my talk of the 4 Regions that someone thinks I am 4, let alone more that 1, user. I am Legend. Some man, for one man! ;) legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 28/07/2019 20:32:17 2217834 Link
Wicklow should be split in 2. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 28/07/2019 21:02:38 2217854 Link
Replying To Ej: "What's so super about a super 15? Realistically there are only maybe 8 counties that can even make the all Ireland final." The way it is if Dublin weren't so far ahead of everyone there are 4 or 5 teams with a decent chance of winning the All Ireland, not saying the Dubs can't be beat but it would take a massive performance with everything going right on the day to defeat them, I think this year Dublin are even better and now they have Connolly back in the squad too, I preferred the quarter finals the way they were but I would have liked the losing provincial finalist to have had home advantage in their quarter final, and I don't see what the mad rush is to pack everything into August. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 28/07/2019 22:19:36 2217898 Link
Top 10 Open Draw - 2 groups of 5 - 4 games per team - each top 3 to 10-team AI Tier 1 KO. Middle 12 Open Draw - 4 groups of 3 - 4 games per team (double rd) - each top 1 to 10-team AI Tier 1 KO - each bottom 2 to 14-team AI Tier 2 KO. Lower 10 Open Draw - 2 groups of 5 - 4 games per team - each top 3 to 14-team AI Tier 2 KO. Each of 8 group winners get byes to Tier QFs - Other 4 contest Tier 1 QF Playoff Rd and Other 12 contest Tier 2 QF Playoff Rd. Tier 1 KO 10 play in the Top 10 in the following year's group phase; while Tier 2 KO QFs & Top 10's bottom 4 will play in the Middle 12. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2590 - 03/08/2019 05:49:06 2219954 Link
Or how about a more radical solution. Actual knockout quarter finals where it's winner takes all and super nothing!! Some of the greatest games we've had in the years gone by have come from quarter final games where it was all laid on the line and teams went for it with all they had. Why are people obsessed with super this and super that trying to find the most convoluted way possible to have more meaningless games at the height of the summer. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 03/08/2019 10:20:56 2219994 Link
Replying To tearintom: "Or how about a more radical solution. Actual knockout quarter finals where it's winner takes all and super nothing!! Some of the greatest games we've had in the years gone by have come from quarter final games where it was all laid on the line and teams went for it with all they had. Why are people obsessed with super this and super that trying to find the most convoluted way possible to have more meaningless games at the height of the summer." In my idea, after all play 4-game group phase - it's a 10-team KO in Tier 1 and 12-team KO in Tier 2. Teams in the Middle 12 end up in one or the other. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2590 - 03/08/2019 16:28:09 2220105 Link
Replying To tearintom: "Or how about a more radical solution. Actual knockout quarter finals where it's winner takes all and super nothing!! Some of the greatest games we've had in the years gone by have come from quarter final games where it was all laid on the line and teams went for it with all they had. Why are people obsessed with super this and super that trying to find the most convoluted way possible to have more meaningless games at the height of the summer." Agreed. Or just make the All-Ireland series double-elimination if they are so desperate to have more games. At least all of the games will still mean something. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 03/08/2019 16:41:09 2220110 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "Agreed. Or just make the All-Ireland series double-elimination if they are so desperate to have more games. At least all of the games will still mean something." For that double elimination with improved fairness under existing two-stream structure - you could have the following - 1) Extend Front Door and curtail Back Door, both by one round. 2) Prov SF losing 8 draw a 'pairing' from current 1st Rd Qualifier - so, instead 8 groups of 3 in Rd 1. 3) Top 2 in each group join 4 Prov Final losers in 20-team KO Rd 2 (8 2nds and 2 worst group record 1sts are drawn away). 4) 10 Rd 2 winners join 2 Prov Champ Playoff Rd losers in 12-team KO Rd 3 (6 of 10 lowest NFL ranked Rd 2 winners are drawn away). 5) 6 Rd 3 winners join 2 unbeaten Prov Champs in KO QFs (4 Prov Champs or other highest NFL ranked Rd 3 winners host at own Prov neutral venues). 6) SFs at Prov neutral venues also - Croke Pk Final. Note - all 32 (excl NY) are guaranteed 3 games. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2590 - 03/08/2019 18:14:39 2220150 Link
Replying To tearintom: "Or how about a more radical solution. Actual knockout quarter finals where it's winner takes all and super nothing!! Some of the greatest games we've had in the years gone by have come from quarter final games where it was all laid on the line and teams went for it with all they had. Why are people obsessed with super this and super that trying to find the most convoluted way possible to have more meaningless games at the height of the summer." There aren't enough games between the top teams in straight knockout. There were a few bad games in the first 2 rounds. There were also some very good games, they weren't meaningless. Ok the last round isn't great but to give teams more games the easiest way is to have some sort of group stage. The last 8 is a bad time for it though. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 03/08/2019 18:42:02 2220164 Link
Replying To omahant: "For that double elimination with improved fairness under existing two-stream structure - you could have the following - 1) Extend Front Door and curtail Back Door, both by one round. 2) Prov SF losing 8 draw a 'pairing' from current 1st Rd Qualifier - so, instead 8 groups of 3 in Rd 1. 3) Top 2 in each group join 4 Prov Final losers in 20-team KO Rd 2 (8 2nds and 2 worst group record 1sts are drawn away). 4) 10 Rd 2 winners join 2 Prov Champ Playoff Rd losers in 12-team KO Rd 3 (6 of 10 lowest NFL ranked Rd 2 winners are drawn away). 5) 6 Rd 3 winners join 2 unbeaten Prov Champs in KO QFs (4 Prov Champs or other highest NFL ranked Rd 3 winners host at own Prov neutral venues). 6) SFs at Prov neutral venues also - Croke Pk Final. Note - all 32 (excl NY) are guaranteed 3 games." All-Ireland series starts at QFs. The 8 teams are split into two brackets: Winners and Losers. The winners of both brackets contest the All-Ireland final. Keep it simple. Besides, I don't anyone is keen on a double-elimination format. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 03/08/2019 18:53:57 2220174 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "All-Ireland series starts at QFs. The 8 teams are split into two brackets: Winners and Losers. The winners of both brackets contest the All-Ireland final. Keep it simple. Besides, I don't anyone is keen on a double-elimination format." Better to lose the first game to enter the easier bracket then ? What about the Old C Ring Cup double elimination - 2 rds - 2 win teams to SFs - 2 loss teams are out - other 4 to QFs. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2590 - 03/08/2019 19:39:56 2220200 Link
Replying To omahant: "Better to lose the first game to enter the easier bracket then ? What about the Old C Ring Cup double elimination - 2 rds - 2 win teams to SFs - 2 loss teams are out - other 4 to QFs." It's not an easier bracket. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 03/08/2019 20:18:28 2220229 Link
I tweak a recent idea to the following - Top 10 Open Draw - 2 groups of 5 (1A & 1B) - 4 games per team - each top 3 to AI Tier 1 KO QFs - two 2nds host two other group 3rds; two 1sts host two other group 'Middle 10' 1sts. Middle 10 Open Draw - 2 groups of 5 (2A & 2B) - 4 games per team - each group winner to the AI Tier 1 KO QFs. Also, each 2nd and 3rd (as well as each 4th and 5th from the Top 10) to strong AI Tier 2 KO QFs - two 4ths host two other group 3rds; two 2nds host two other group 5ths - Tier 2 Finalists (and two group winners) go up or stay in the Top 10 the following year. Lower 12 Fixed Draw - 4 local groups of 3 (3A, 3B, 3C & 3D) - 4 games per team (double rd) - each group top 2 (as well as each 4th and 5th from the Middle 12) to 12-team AI Tier 3 KO - two 4ths and 'best two of four' 1sts get byes and host QFs - two other 1sts host two 5ths; and two best 2nds host two other 2nds in the QF Playoff Rd - Tier 3 Semi Finalists go up or stay in the Middle 10 the following year. Play Prov Championships separately. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2590 - 05/08/2019 05:23:26 2220966 Link

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