National Forum

Referee For Wexford V Tipperary

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Invoking a confrontation and then hitting the deck in an effort to get a man sent off is something Wexford are far from immune from indulging in when it suits them, But I agree with the sentiment about the scourge that is becoming more prominent in the game

I'd be more worried about the choice of referee if I was Wexford man than a Tipp man."
Like when? Give us a few examples to back up your claim.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 24/07/2019 12:49:03    2215706

Link

Pointless thread.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 24/07/2019 16:20:47    2215833

Link

Replying To tiobraid:  "Pointless thread."
will you be saying that if a tipp man is sent off harshly on sunday

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 24/07/2019 18:20:58    2215897

Link

All of a sudden this thread has become very pertinent. It is actually crazy that a Kilkenny man is reffing a match where the winners play Kilkenny!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 28/07/2019 02:02:37    2217377

Link

Replying To ballydalane:  "All of a sudden this thread has become very pertinent. It is actually crazy that a Kilkenny man is reffing a match where the winners play Kilkenny!"
Id say the powers that be thought KK were unlikely to beat Cork and Limerick. Just because the Munster round robin was played at an intensity that allowed plenty of high scores. TBH while I thought ye would beat Cork I thought Limerick looked very strong myself. If we can beat Tipp Im sure no1 in the southeast would be unhappy with the final pairing.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 28/07/2019 11:06:47    2217467

Link

Well, that went well I thought.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 07:56:13    2217959

Link

A bad weekend for GAA officials.
Cleere & Co. were bad yesterday.

Moyle (Tipperary) - Posts: 86 - 29/07/2019 09:40:11    2217989

Link

A pity that this was actually flagged before hand that Sean Cleere is not a good intercounty referee. In fairness the Hawk Eye incident is out of his control but it just brought officiating in general into the spotlight and i felt after that he made a load of really poor decisions for both teams. Infuriating stuff like missing blatant frees and then giving questionable ones. I think Wexford probably benefited overall yesterday but late in the second half they couldn't buy a free, just a complete lack of consistency. I have no clue why Tipp's "second" goal was not allowed

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 29/07/2019 10:17:10    2218013

Link

The whole GAA culture around referees is wrong though.
Like it or not, referees get a rule book and a whistle and its off you go to whatever club and its sink or swim as a bunch of savages on the side line berate your every decision, get called everything under the sun, maybe a few slaps for your troubles and then the GAA wonder why we don't have better referees?
If you go into Wexford Rugby club (or any rugby club) and start mouthing off at a referee, you will get told to shut your mouth. At a GAA match you are more likely to get roared on or more people roaring with you.
An attitude change is needed at every level towards referees in the GAA. I will be playing for another 10 years (if they sort out the fixtures mess), after that would I consider refereeing? Not unless something changes.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 29/07/2019 13:22:43    2218164

Link

Replying To StoreysTash:  "The whole GAA culture around referees is wrong though.
Like it or not, referees get a rule book and a whistle and its off you go to whatever club and its sink or swim as a bunch of savages on the side line berate your every decision, get called everything under the sun, maybe a few slaps for your troubles and then the GAA wonder why we don't have better referees?
If you go into Wexford Rugby club (or any rugby club) and start mouthing off at a referee, you will get told to shut your mouth. At a GAA match you are more likely to get roared on or more people roaring with you.
An attitude change is needed at every level towards referees in the GAA. I will be playing for another 10 years (if they sort out the fixtures mess), after that would I consider refereeing? Not unless something changes."
You are so right. In rugby only the captain can question a refs decision. One day I saw Paul O' Connell persist, an ex hurling man of course, in questioning a decision. He was probably the finest played in Ireland at the time and the games spiritual leader at National level. However when he overdid this questioning the referee had no hesitation threatening to yellow card him.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 29/07/2019 19:55:24    2218421

Link

Replying To Moyle:  "A bad weekend for GAA officials.
Cleere & Co. were bad yesterday."
A bad weekend generally leads to a reaction from Croke Park, I just hope the reaction is thought through, trialled in the league and above all the GAA don't ask every tom dick and harry about things they might not be happy with.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 29/07/2019 20:12:32    2218434

Link

I'd like to say in Sean Cleere's favour that I'm certain he did his best.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 29/07/2019 20:13:31    2218435

Link

Replying To Moyle:  "A bad weekend for GAA officials.
Cleere & Co. were bad yesterday."
leaving aside Leinster hurling, what do you Munster boys make of Leinster refereeing? Its a different standard isn't it

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 29/07/2019 20:35:05    2218457

Link

Replying To BliainanÁir:  "I'd like to say in Sean Cleere's favour that I'm certain he did his best."
That is true.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 29/07/2019 21:32:12    2218485

Link

Replying To ballydalane:  "All of a sudden this thread has become very pertinent. It is actually crazy that a Kilkenny man is reffing a match where the winners play Kilkenny!"
It is a bit unfair he was given the semi final in any event with the possibility of Kilkenny been in the final.
Fair enough I often berate refs on ere I admit that but look if Tipp had lost there would have been far more serious outbursts all over the place given we had 3 goals chalked off and Wexford not getting a penalty probably evened it out in the end.
Everyone has good days and bad days and yesterday was just one of the latter.
I'm sure Sean will look at this and come back next year in a better place. And I hope he does.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/07/2019 22:18:01    2218513

Link

Replying To WildPundit:  "It is a bit unfair he was given the semi final in any event with the possibility of Kilkenny been in the final.
Fair enough I often berate refs on ere I admit that but look if Tipp had lost there would have been far more serious outbursts all over the place given we had 3 goals chalked off and Wexford not getting a penalty probably evened it out in the end.
Everyone has good days and bad days and yesterday was just one of the latter.
I'm sure Sean will look at this and come back next year in a better place. And I hope he does."
His first big mistake in my opinion was disallowing the first Tipp goal for what was a VERY soft free out. I think he was doing what club refs up and down the country do all the time - giving the defender a sympathy free out instead of giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. I always think that to disallow a goal, the offence should be blatantly obvious, because there may come a time later in the match where you WILL have to disallow a goal for a blatant foul (or some other reason as it turned out).

Sure enough, he's forced to disallow a second goal via Hawkeye, all of a sudden he's the Kilkenny so-and-so who's disallowed 2 Tipp goals and it's not even half time. And he's in a hole from there on in.

The third disallowed goal was inexplicable and inexcusable - again, another club ref special, instead of letting advantage accrue to the attacker, blow straight away for the foul to lesson the damage to the defence.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 22:59:58    2218537

Link

Sean Cleere and Paud O Dwyer are not up to inter county referring standard. I've only missed a handful of Cork's league and championship games over the last 10 years and these 2 leave me gobsmacked at times.

The_Bull (Cork) - Posts: 248 - 29/07/2019 23:34:42    2218544

Link

Replying To BliainanÁir:  "I'd like to say in Sean Cleere's favour that I'm certain he did his best."
If last Sunday was his best,then the blame lies with the gaa authorities who appointed him to ref that match.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 29/07/2019 23:40:08    2218547

Link

Croke Park got the final they wanted END OF!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9703 - 30/07/2019 02:52:10    2218566

Link

And they wouldn't give James McGrath a game to referee last year
Probably the best ref there was on the panel
Seems you have to be from certain counties to get a gig

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 30/07/2019 09:01:20    2218584

Link