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Referee For Wexford V Tipperary

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I notice that Sean Cleere has been appointed to referee the Tipp-Wexford semi-final on Sunday. Should Kilkenny beat Limerick on Saturday, could that not place Sean Cleere (and his umpires) in a potentially awkward situation? Without questioning his integrity in any way, should a Wexford or Tipp player be guilty of a red card offence he is in a difficult position. If he sends off the player he risks being accused of acting in Kilkenny's interests, and if he issues a yellow card he may be down-graded by the assessors. Why is he being put in this position by the CCCC?. Can anyone recall an occasion where a referee was appointed to a semi-final when his own county was already in the final? Dare I suggest that the CCCC might be assuming that Limerick will beat Kilkenny, thus avoiding any possible difficulties?

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 544 - 22/07/2019 21:15:49    2214974

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Replying To midlands:  "I notice that Sean Cleere has been appointed to referee the Tipp-Wexford semi-final on Sunday. Should Kilkenny beat Limerick on Saturday, could that not place Sean Cleere (and his umpires) in a potentially awkward situation? Without questioning his integrity in any way, should a Wexford or Tipp player be guilty of a red card offence he is in a difficult position. If he sends off the player he risks being accused of acting in Kilkenny's interests, and if he issues a yellow card he may be down-graded by the assessors. Why is he being put in this position by the CCCC?. Can anyone recall an occasion where a referee was appointed to a semi-final when his own county was already in the final? Dare I suggest that the CCCC might be assuming that Limerick will beat Kilkenny, thus avoiding any possible difficulties?"
Very astute out of the CCCC if that is the case.

I mean re limerick beating Kilkenny, haven't a clue about the rest.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1063 - 22/07/2019 21:44:36    2214992

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Yeah it's a good point. He shouldn't be put in that position, even if it is only potentially.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 22/07/2019 22:44:18    2215030

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Replying To midlands:  "I notice that Sean Cleere has been appointed to referee the Tipp-Wexford semi-final on Sunday. Should Kilkenny beat Limerick on Saturday, could that not place Sean Cleere (and his umpires) in a potentially awkward situation? Without questioning his integrity in any way, should a Wexford or Tipp player be guilty of a red card offence he is in a difficult position. If he sends off the player he risks being accused of acting in Kilkenny's interests, and if he issues a yellow card he may be down-graded by the assessors. Why is he being put in this position by the CCCC?. Can anyone recall an occasion where a referee was appointed to a semi-final when his own county was already in the final? Dare I suggest that the CCCC might be assuming that Limerick will beat Kilkenny, thus avoiding any possible difficulties?"
If my memory serves me correctly a Cork man refereed Wex v Galway in 1976 semi-final when Cork were waiting for the winners in the final. It ended in a draw and there was some cotroversary about it before the replay and I'm fairly sure the Cork referee stepped aside. Prior to that the same referee always handled replays. It's over 40 years ago so apologies if I have it wrong. I may have the programmes somewhere but our attic is like a jungle but without the plants.

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 1020 - 22/07/2019 23:29:20    2215043

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Thats an irrelevant point surely. I dont think Cody or most Kilkenny fans I know would care which of Tipp and Wexford they meet in August if they beat Limerick.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11874 - 23/07/2019 08:32:57    2215072

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Replying To lochgarmanabu:  "If my memory serves me correctly a Cork man refereed Wex v Galway in 1976 semi-final when Cork were waiting for the winners in the final. It ended in a draw and there was some cotroversary about it before the replay and I'm fairly sure the Cork referee stepped aside. Prior to that the same referee always handled replays. It's over 40 years ago so apologies if I have it wrong. I may have the programmes somewhere but our attic is like a jungle but without the plants."
You could be right Lochgarmanabu but like yourself I wouldn't attempt to search in the attic.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 544 - 23/07/2019 10:22:25    2215122

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Replying To midlands:  "I notice that Sean Cleere has been appointed to referee the Tipp-Wexford semi-final on Sunday. Should Kilkenny beat Limerick on Saturday, could that not place Sean Cleere (and his umpires) in a potentially awkward situation? Without questioning his integrity in any way, should a Wexford or Tipp player be guilty of a red card offence he is in a difficult position. If he sends off the player he risks being accused of acting in Kilkenny's interests, and if he issues a yellow card he may be down-graded by the assessors. Why is he being put in this position by the CCCC?. Can anyone recall an occasion where a referee was appointed to a semi-final when his own county was already in the final? Dare I suggest that the CCCC might be assuming that Limerick will beat Kilkenny, thus avoiding any possible difficulties?"
I honestly can't see a problem regarding a Kilkenny referee. If he does have to red card a player from either side, then unless he's physic he won't know who is going to win, unless of course it's a one sided match. That is unlikely as I think both sides are evenly matched. If he was to give an advantage to his own team, he would have to send a player off from both sides. Absolutely crazy. I don't believe Sean Cleere would resort to that sort of stupid behaviour. I'm pretty certain the game will be refereed in a fair and balanced manner. The accesors will judge him on his decisions, good or bad and not on whether he was trying to give an advantage to Kilkenny.

Blockandhook (Wexford) - Posts: 668 - 23/07/2019 10:52:22    2215136

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Replying To Blockandhook:  "I honestly can't see a problem regarding a Kilkenny referee. If he does have to red card a player from either side, then unless he's physic he won't know who is going to win, unless of course it's a one sided match. That is unlikely as I think both sides are evenly matched. If he was to give an advantage to his own team, he would have to send a player off from both sides. Absolutely crazy. I don't believe Sean Cleere would resort to that sort of stupid behaviour. I'm pretty certain the game will be refereed in a fair and balanced manner. The accesors will judge him on his decisions, good or bad and not on whether he was trying to give an advantage to Kilkenny."
It's not something I'd worry about tbh. We just need to do our own thing and win the match.

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 1020 - 23/07/2019 11:03:52    2215148

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Biggest issue is that he's not a great ref and tends to give a lot of handy frees and get a lot of big calls wrong.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 23/07/2019 11:04:19    2215149

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I don't mean to be personal as it is a tough job but give me Sean Cleere head of
1. Colm Lyons
2. Johnny Murphy
3. Alan Kelly.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 23/07/2019 11:45:17    2215178

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Replying To lochgarmanabu:  "If my memory serves me correctly a Cork man refereed Wex v Galway in 1976 semi-final when Cork were waiting for the winners in the final. It ended in a draw and there was some cotroversary about it before the replay and I'm fairly sure the Cork referee stepped aside. Prior to that the same referee always handled replays. It's over 40 years ago so apologies if I have it wrong. I may have the programmes somewhere but our attic is like a jungle but without the plants."
i remember that.
if i remember right i think the drawn match was refereed by a certain mr frank murphy,there was a hullabaloo about the replay which was reffed by a slattery from clare i think.
i stand corrected as i was only a young lad.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/07/2019 11:54:19    2215187

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Replying To Blockandhook:  "I honestly can't see a problem regarding a Kilkenny referee. If he does have to red card a player from either side, then unless he's physic he won't know who is going to win, unless of course it's a one sided match. That is unlikely as I think both sides are evenly matched. If he was to give an advantage to his own team, he would have to send a player off from both sides. Absolutely crazy. I don't believe Sean Cleere would resort to that sort of stupid behaviour. I'm pretty certain the game will be refereed in a fair and balanced manner. The accesors will judge him on his decisions, good or bad and not on whether he was trying to give an advantage to Kilkenny."
I already made it clear (no pun intended) that I wasn't questioning Sean Cleere's integrity in any way. He may not be the top referee but he has improved and is by no means the worst. The fact that it's over 40 years since a referee was put in a similar position would suggest that the powers that be don't regard it as ideal, and there must be good reasons why.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 544 - 23/07/2019 12:25:43    2215207

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I don't mean to be personal as it is a tough job but give me Sean Cleere head of
1. Colm Lyons
2. Johnny Murphy
3. Alan Kelly."
I would consider Sean Cleere one of the better refs. Lyons tends to be very strict on some fouls which wouldnt be to everyone's taste but I wouldnt have him on a list of "undesireables". They'd probably agree with you down Waterford way regarding Kelly but would like to think he's better now following his rehabilitation. But I'd have any of those on your list before I'd have McAllister from Cork!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 23/07/2019 13:22:16    2215241

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The main concern is Sean Cleere getting an All Ireland Semi Final. A very poor ref in my opinion

dakid (Australia) - Posts: 285 - 23/07/2019 13:51:33    2215258

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "I would consider Sean Cleere one of the better refs. Lyons tends to be very strict on some fouls which wouldnt be to everyone's taste but I wouldnt have him on a list of "undesireables". They'd probably agree with you down Waterford way regarding Kelly but would like to think he's better now following his rehabilitation. But I'd have any of those on your list before I'd have McAllister from Cork!"
dont think mcallister is on the panel even?
i dont mind sean cleere either but his decisions will be tested,thats for sure

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/07/2019 19:54:36    2215418

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I just hope Sean Cleere is ready to watch out for Tipp's antics re getting players sent off etc.
As we saw in the quarter final, some players try to provoke and get players sent off. As for Jake Morris in the U21 tonight, pathetic but fair play to the referee for going over and telling him to get up. This nonsense has to be eradicated from our game.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 23/07/2019 20:55:14    2215443

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I just hope Sean Cleere is ready to watch out for Tipp's antics re getting players sent off etc.
As we saw in the quarter final, some players try to provoke and get players sent off. As for Jake Morris in the U21 tonight, pathetic but fair play to the referee for going over and telling him to get up. This nonsense has to be eradicated from our game."
Invoking a confrontation and then hitting the deck in an effort to get a man sent off is something Wexford are far from immune from indulging in when it suits them, But I agree with the sentiment about the scourge that is becoming more prominent in the game

I'd be more worried about the choice of referee if I was Wexford man than a Tipp man.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 23/07/2019 22:07:58    2215483

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Cleere is one of the better referees at the minute so I am just happy it is him and not one of the other ones.

We have a lot more within our own team and threats from Wexford to keep us busy.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 24/07/2019 01:32:59    2215550

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Replying To perfect10:  "dont think mcallister is on the panel even?
i dont mind sean cleere either but his decisions will be tested,thats for sure"
Oh he's very much on the panel. Refereed the Galway vs Dublin LHC game in Parnell Park and a couple of other games involving Galway teams this year. Never seems to get chosen for games at the latter stages of the championships which says it all really.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 24/07/2019 06:59:36    2215563

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Invoking a confrontation and then hitting the deck in an effort to get a man sent off is something Wexford are far from immune from indulging in when it suits them, But I agree with the sentiment about the scourge that is becoming more prominent in the game

I'd be more worried about the choice of referee if I was Wexford man than a Tipp man."
No team is squeaky clean when it comes to feigning injury, diving etc. It's wrong of course but unless referees issue cards for such behaviour then it will continue. Why would wexford be more worried than Tipperary about the choice of referee. Silly statement to make with no explanation given. Are you implying that wexford will be doing most of the fouling, so therefore are more likely to have a player sent off??? Maybe I'm reading your comments incorrectly but do I detect an anti wexford attitude here. A reply would be very much appreciated.

Blockandhook (Wexford) - Posts: 668 - 24/07/2019 10:12:13    2215623

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