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Has Hurling In Division 1B During February And March Played A Part In The Inconsistent Championship Form Showed By Galway, Dublin And Waterford?

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In the now old Div 1a teams had to play consistently well every game or face the real possibility of relegation. Unlike in div 1b where you could qualify for a quarterfinal without really beating any of the top 8 or 9 teams. Over the last few years div1b teams have won Liam or got to Finals because they were perhaps fresher after a less arduous league campaign. But maybe this year they have fared less well because there was no fear of relegation in div1a while all the div1a teams were playing competitive games and trying to get into a quarter final while being able to give squad players gametime against good players without fear of relegation. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11879 - 20/07/2019 22:08:27 2213736 Link
Replying To Viking66: "In the now old Div 1a teams had to play consistently well every game or face the real possibility of relegation. Unlike in div 1b where you could qualify for a quarterfinal without really beating any of the top 8 or 9 teams. Over the last few years div1b teams have won Liam or got to Finals because they were perhaps fresher after a less arduous league campaign. But maybe this year they have fared less well because there was no fear of relegation in div1a while all the div1a teams were playing competitive games and trying to get into a quarter final while being able to give squad players gametime against good players without fear of relegation." I don't think so. This has to be the longest thread title in the history of Hoganstand. Laois were in 1B and did ok. Other years 1B teams ended up in semi finals and finals like 2017. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 20/07/2019 23:23:23 2213783 Link
Coincidence I reckon. And congrats on the thread title Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 21/07/2019 00:01:08 2213798 Link
Absolutely not. This is total bullshit. The last 2 all Ireland winners came from 1B. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 21/07/2019 00:25:31 2213804 Link
Longest title for a topic in HS history? ;) The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 21/07/2019 08:09:57 2213828 Link
absolutely,100%. time to change the structure to suit the latest results. i dont care if 2 teams from 1b competed for the all ireland final a few years ago,change the structure because it must be the cause. ah the gaa and recency bias,2 perfect bed fellows..... perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 21/07/2019 09:01:46 2213843 Link
Replying To perfect10: "absolutely,100%. time to change the structure to suit the latest results. i dont care if 2 teams from 1b competed for the all ireland final a few years ago,change the structure because it must be the cause. ah the gaa and recency bias,2 perfect bed fellows....." It doesn't explain Clares inconsistency. It didnt stop Galway or Limerick winning allirelands either and it doesnt matter anyway its changing next year. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 21/07/2019 10:16:09 2213858 Link
No. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 21/07/2019 10:54:22 2213878 Link
Replying To perfect10: "absolutely,100%. time to change the structure to suit the latest results. i dont care if 2 teams from 1b competed for the all ireland final a few years ago,change the structure because it must be the cause. ah the gaa and recency bias,2 perfect bed fellows....." A few years ago? Literally the last 2 winners developed from playing in 1B. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 21/07/2019 11:03:42 2213879 Link
What I find with GAA fans is that they'll find any excuse why a team might have won or lost, even if the excuses are totally contradictory. In hurling, the Munster champions would frequently lose their all Ireland semi final, being "rusty" after the 5-week lay off since the Munster final always cited as the reason. On the other hand, Kilkenny winning their all Ireland semi final after a 5-week lay off was because they were "refreshed" and could "peak" for the semi final. Likewise, if a team wins the All Ireland by a point after a tough route to the final, it's because they were "battle hardened". If they lose the All Ireland by a point it's because they were "burned out". If a team wins the All Ireland by a point after an "easy" route to the final, it's because they were "fresh". If they lose an all Ireland by a point it's because they "hadn't been tested". The excuses really do change to suit the result. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 21/07/2019 11:10:44 2213881 Link
There is a valid point that no relegation from 1A allowed players to be given game time in a development manner. That is the reason for the changes. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7854 - 21/07/2019 11:13:18 2213888 Link
Sorry about the length of the thread title I thought the moderator would edit it! I dont think div1b hurling has affected whoever won Liam come September(or August now). Wexfords last win came after hurling in div 2 in 1996. If anything not having to peak for the league to stay in div1a has helped teams be fresher come championship time. And I think the proof of this came this year when there was no threat of relegation from 1a. There wont be a finalist from 1b this year. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11879 - 21/07/2019 14:53:13 2213957 Link
I don't think 1B has anything to do with it. Look at Clare this year: inconsistent. And as for Galway they have been inconsistent whether in 1A or 1B. Very few consistent teams anyway. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2124 - 21/07/2019 15:38:38 2213983 Link
could you be more specific? Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 21/07/2019 15:53:24 2214003 Link
Could you repeat the question? BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 21/07/2019 22:37:36 2214383 Link
Replying To waynoI: "No." Now that's a bit harsh at least add a few more words into your answer, look at the lenght of the question/statement arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 21/07/2019 22:43:40 2214387 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Sorry about the length of the thread title I thought the moderator would edit it! I dont think div1b hurling has affected whoever won Liam come September(or August now). Wexfords last win came after hurling in div 2 in 1996. If anything not having to peak for the league to stay in div1a has helped teams be fresher come championship time. And I think the proof of this came this year when there was no threat of relegation from 1a. There wont be a finalist from 1b this year." So why did you ask the question if you didn't think it was relevant (which it wasn't) ? PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 21/07/2019 23:27:59 2214414 Link
Replying To arock: "Now that's a bit harsh at least add a few more words into your answer, look at the lenght of the question/statement" is there anything to be said for saying another mass? perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/07/2019 10:18:03 2214528 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "So why did you ask the question if you didn't think it was relevant (which it wasn't) ?" What I was saying is that div1b might actually have been an advantage when there was promotion and relegation but a disadvantage when there wasnt. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11879 - 22/07/2019 18:43:29 2214897 Link
Very informative title . dakid (Australia) - Posts: 285 - 22/07/2019 20:20:05 2214944 Link