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AI SFC - 2X2 Strongest UL, UC, CM & LM

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Take 4 strongest NFL-ranked from each Prov and allocate 2 pairs per mixed Prov group - UL, UC, CM & LM.
After 3-match round robin - 7 wild cards advance to AI KO Rd of 16.
Highest placed team from each Prov in each group to respective 4 Prov Finals as well - 4 winners to AI KO Rd of 16 (or 'double up' to AI KO QFs instead).

Other weaker 16 allocated to non-Prov groups - Group V = U2L2, W-U2L2, X-L3M1 and Y-U1C2M1.
After 3-match round robin - 5 wild cards advance to AI KO Rd of 16.
QF Seeding - 1 to 11 (incl Prov Champs) from Sronger groups and 11 to 16 from weaker groups.
Last 16 to Stronger groups in the followiim

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1670 - 19/07/2019 03:03:11    2213016

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Do you just enjoy making convoluted competition formats and why does each have to get it's own thread. Why not post all in the same thread and people can compare them within that thread

Have you ever proposed any in your club to put forward at county convention to go to Congress??

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 382 - 19/07/2019 10:27:11    2213071

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Do you just enjoy making convoluted competition formats and why does each have to get it's own thread. Why not post all in the same thread and people can compare them within that thread

Have you ever proposed any in your club to put forward at county convention to go to Congress??"
Do you just enjoy your self-appointed role as moderator? Anyone can post whatever thread they like, however they like and if the admin publish it then that's that. If you don't like it , don't post in it and move on, like everyone else.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11602 - 19/07/2019 10:53:46    2213081

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Another with too much emphasis on league. People are obsessed with league. This is an Amatuer sport. Expecting league which is essentially a pre season tournament, albeit a great tool for unearthing and blooding talent, to have a baring on championship means the championship season will run from January to September. Crazy for amatuers, who have club and work commitments.
Players peak for championship and that should continue. Not kill themselves over October to January ready for league, and then potentially try to stay fit and in injured to September, only to start all over again.
Seriously, if you've ever trained like a dog to play football, you would not think this is a good idea, both on a welfare point of view and a spectacle as to seeing the best quality performances.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 175 - 19/07/2019 11:03:09    2213087

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "Another with too much emphasis on league. People are obsessed with league. This is an Amatuer sport. Expecting league which is essentially a pre season tournament, albeit a great tool for unearthing and blooding talent, to have a baring on championship means the championship season will run from January to September. Crazy for amatuers, who have club and work commitments.
Players peak for championship and that should continue. Not kill themselves over October to January ready for league, and then potentially try to stay fit and in injured to September, only to start all over again.
Seriously, if you've ever trained like a dog to play football, you would not think this is a good idea, both on a welfare point of view and a spectacle as to seeing the best quality performances."
That's pure rubbish.

AIL they play an 18 game season.

Teams are slogging themselves anyway without games.

Just give them a proper league competition like any other sport is organised on at all levels.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2799 - 19/07/2019 11:21:11    2213095

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Replying To Whammo86:  "That's pure rubbish.

AIL they play an 18 game season.

Teams are slogging themselves anyway without games.

Just give them a proper league competition like any other sport is organised on at all levels."
Rather than a championship. You want to play a league, play it out over 4/5 months, not 9 months at the expense of club players and other commitments.
It's not pure rubbish at all. If you think extending the county season is in the good of the game and players then it's you who are talking rubbish. Sounds a bit like an armchair fan who seems to think gaa starts and ends with county games and screw the clubs.
You referenced other sports. So let's look at soccer. Have an 18 game international league competition, then run the domestic league competition alongside it. Now what in that makes sense to you?

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 175 - 19/07/2019 11:40:13    2213104

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Yes - a league based Summer (in some form) leading to KO is the way to go.

Say, equal Divs 1A/1B (2x9, 2xtop5 to KO) and Divs 2North/2South (2x7, 2xtop4 to Tier2 KO QFs).

Div 1 - Rd 1 - 3 crossover pairings 3v5, 4v4 to reduce to 7 for Tier 1 AI KO QFs.

Div 2 - Rd 3 - 1 Tier 2 Champ to Tier 1 AI KO QFs.

The 18 KO teams to Divs 1A/1B in following year.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1670 - 19/07/2019 11:47:15    2213109

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "Rather than a championship. You want to play a league, play it out over 4/5 months, not 9 months at the expense of club players and other commitments.
It's not pure rubbish at all. If you think extending the county season is in the good of the game and players then it's you who are talking rubbish. Sounds a bit like an armchair fan who seems to think gaa starts and ends with county games and screw the clubs.
You referenced other sports. So let's look at soccer. Have an 18 game international league competition, then run the domestic league competition alongside it. Now what in that makes sense to you?"
I'd be talking a league over 6 months with designated club breaks at regular intervals.

Very simple competition. 2 divisions of 16.

15 games played over 5 months. March to July

4 rounds of club action in each code in that time.

Top teams through to playoffs in August.

Rest of the year for club.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2799 - 19/07/2019 13:20:22    2213150

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Replying To Whammo86:  "That's pure rubbish.

AIL they play an 18 game season.

Teams are slogging themselves anyway without games.

Just give them a proper league competition like any other sport is organised on at all levels."
AIL players dont also have to play a club league and cup too.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 19/07/2019 20:28:24    2213289

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Replying To Breezy:  "AIL players dont also have to play a club league and cup too."
Not many are playing club league nowadays.

They do play cup competitions. They play provincial cups leading to an All Ireland cup semifinal.

They also play Provincial league competitions.

How many quotes do you hear from players wanting to play their league competition at a better time of year?

Well just make their league their championship.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2799 - 19/07/2019 22:25:00    2213335

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Replying To Breezy:  "AIL players dont also have to play a club league and cup too."
AIL players also have multiple cup competitions and if in top divisions have potentially provincial a games to play as well as Irish club XV games

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 382 - 20/07/2019 00:28:35    2213385

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Let's kill this thread - if you have not done so !

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1670 - 20/07/2019 03:04:36    2213399

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Replying To omahant:  "Take 4 strongest NFL-ranked from each Prov and allocate 2 pairs per mixed Prov group - UL, UC, CM & LM.
After 3-match round robin - 7 wild cards advance to AI KO Rd of 16.
Highest placed team from each Prov in each group to respective 4 Prov Finals as well - 4 winners to AI KO Rd of 16 (or 'double up' to AI KO QFs instead).

Other weaker 16 allocated to non-Prov groups - Group V = U2L2, W-U2L2, X-L3M1 and Y-U1C2M1.
After 3-match round robin - 5 wild cards advance to AI KO Rd of 16.
QF Seeding - 1 to 11 (incl Prov Champs) from Sronger groups and 11 to 16 from weaker groups.
Last 16 to Stronger groups in the followiim"
I'm confused.

David (Meath) - Posts: 537 - 20/07/2019 09:10:25    2213424

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The Dublin PRO, the current GAA President, says the hurling league has to all managers play players in a development manner.

It seems contradictory then to tie in league to Championship in football.

If the All-Ireland Series is expanded to 4 groups of 5, they can retain quarter-finals in Croke Park to honour the premium ticket sales.

The league can reduce to divisions of 6, creating space in the calendar for championship group stage format.

The leagues should require no more than 6 weeks. 5 regular league phase and top 2 into division final.

Provincial Round 2 winners from all provinces should qualify for the group stage: 2 Munster finalists, 2 Connaught finalists, 4 Leinster semi-finalists and 4 Ulster semi-finalists.

The defending All-Ireland winner and Tier 2 winner from the year before should also be in the group stage.

18, 19 or 20 teams would enter the qualifiers chasing 6, 7 or 8 remaining spots. This would require two qualifying rounds after Provincial Round 2. 6, 5 or 4 teams would be given a bye from Qualifier Round 1. These byes could be granted to the highest placed Provincial Round 2 losers based on recent league performance. A subtle use of league ranking without too much emphasis either.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 20/07/2019 10:19:29    2213442

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