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See the article on HS. I would agree that there is some simulation or making the most of it but I think Eddie has picked a bad example to open that debate. No question that was a strike with the hurley on Sunday. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2019 18:12:23 2211991 Link
There's a difference between a player faking a hit to get a player sent off and a player pulling across an opponent in an off the ball incident or an on the ball incident for that matter. Conor Gleeson gave a retaliatory pull on Horgan two years ago and was rightly sent off. In the 2017 All-Ireland a Waterford back had his leg beat red before the throw in with both umpires looking on. Is that what Eddie wants in the name of making the game good. Hitting a player deliberately with your stick causing injury or in danger of same is an offence that should be punished. Yes Eddie picked a bad example here and yes simulation is creeping into hurling. Let not the good work he is doing and his Laois players be over shadowed by this type of analysis. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 16/07/2019 18:59:46 2212011 Link
Replying To Sindar: "See the article on HS. I would agree that there is some simulation or making the most of it but I think Eddie has picked a bad example to open that debate. No question that was a strike with the hurley on Sunday." Ah ye see with Eddie its the cody/Keher way of reffing. Get rid of the yellow and reds and let the players at it. The laois sending off was spot on, not simulation and the player let down his team. Players need to be held accountable and thats that. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 16/07/2019 20:01:23 2212036 Link
In terms of simulation something more common and in my view more annoying is when an attcking player holds on to a defenders hurl and raps it round himself and then wins a free cause the ref thinks the defender was hugging the attacker. Simulating a hit isnt fair either but it will happen so sadly i think players will have to learn to be more careful with the hurl. Only way to make sure a diver cant do it is keep the hurl away from his head much like pro soccer players have to be much more controlled with their slide tackles nowadays Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 16/07/2019 20:11:40 2212041 Link
Replying To Breezy: "In terms of simulation something more common and in my view more annoying is when an attcking player holds on to a defenders hurl and raps it round himself and then wins a free cause the ref thinks the defender was hugging the attacker. Simulating a hit isnt fair either but it will happen so sadly i think players will have to learn to be more careful with the hurl. Only way to make sure a diver cant do it is keep the hurl away from his head much like pro soccer players have to be much more controlled with their slide tackles nowadays" The wraparound and the ducking into a defender to win the free has become a huge problem. It's impossible for a ref to call the first with any degree of confidence. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 16/07/2019 20:33:38 2212052 Link
Replying To daytona11: "Ah ye see with Eddie its the cody/Keher way of reffing. Get rid of the yellow and reds and let the players at it. The laois sending off was spot on, not simulation and the player let down his team. Players need to be held accountable and thats that." Paudie Maher was digging the hurl into Aaron Dunphy to initiate the incident. Two yellow cards or 2 red cards. However Lyons is a poor ref and the linesman was poor. Paudie Maher let himself down badly too. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 16/07/2019 20:55:26 2212066 Link
Replying To BliainanÁir: "Paudie Maher was digging the hurl into Aaron Dunphy to initiate the incident. Two yellow cards or 2 red cards. However Lyons is a poor ref and the linesman was poor. Paudie Maher let himself down badly too." Yeh totally agree. Two reds. They are the rules. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 16/07/2019 21:03:06 2212072 Link
Replying To Ej: "The wraparound and the ducking into a defender to win the free has become a huge problem. It's impossible for a ref to call the first with any degree of confidence." Ya I dont blame the ref as it really is only obvious on tv alot of the time. More reasons for 2 refs Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 16/07/2019 21:14:05 2212080 Link
Replying To BliainanÁir: "Paudie Maher was digging the hurl into Aaron Dunphy to initiate the incident. Two yellow cards or 2 red cards. However Lyons is a poor ref and the linesman was poor. Paudie Maher let himself down badly too." Agree completely but you see Dunphy is from a so called weak county so he is expendable. Always happens. A referee that is noticed is doing a mediocre job at best. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 16/07/2019 21:17:33 2212081 Link
Replying To BliainanÁir: "Paudie Maher was digging the hurl into Aaron Dunphy to initiate the incident. Two yellow cards or 2 red cards. However Lyons is a poor ref and the linesman was poor. Paudie Maher let himself down badly too." You are probably correct. Conor Gleeson reacted to the butt of a hurley in the guts and had to be sent off. The initial offender nearly all ways gets away with it. Definitely agree with the opinion job for two refs. If as Brennan said they did not see it and only went on suspicion that is also wrong. Totally disagree with him that players should be allowed belt each other with sticks. Go down that road and see where it will lead. If someone strikes without provocation a straight red. If it is retaliation from getting hit two yellows or two reds if it is serious attempt to injure each other. That is what you are saying and I would agree. I would also agree with you that Maher let himself down if he knew he had been digging him. How about some real sportsmanship and admit he was digging Aaron and allow the ref then decide. Not a hope of that I guess. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 16/07/2019 21:36:45 2212095 Link
Replying To Breezy: "Ya I dont blame the ref as it really is only obvious on tv alot of the time. More reasons for 2 refs" Unless the ref can be cloned I don't think that's a runner. If nothing else the players want consistency and no two refs officiate the same. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 16/07/2019 21:43:39 2212100 Link
Replying To Breezy: "In terms of simulation something more common and in my view more annoying is when an attcking player holds on to a defenders hurl and raps it round himself and then wins a free cause the ref thinks the defender was hugging the attacker. Simulating a hit isnt fair either but it will happen so sadly i think players will have to learn to be more careful with the hurl. Only way to make sure a diver cant do it is keep the hurl away from his head much like pro soccer players have to be much more controlled with their slide tackles nowadays" I agree. However, to say these are 'creeping into the game' is an exaggeration though. They have been a full part of the game for nearly 30 years noe. We occasionally have a chat about it but then we great a hurling game and the narrative becomes 'what a great game we half, leave it alone'. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 16/07/2019 23:02:38 2212129 Link
A discussion that was about players simulation has somehow turned into another debate about referees!! Why is that? Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 17/07/2019 11:05:59 2212261 Link
Such a thing would never happen in the most manly of sports. Surely it's somehow footballs fault.... oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 17/07/2019 11:33:27 2212276 Link
Replying To Ej: "The wraparound and the ducking into a defender to win the free has become a huge problem. It's impossible for a ref to call the first with any degree of confidence." If a player in a club match does that to me I absolutely NAIL him in the back with my knees if I can fall on him. It is dirty but I absolutely DETEST that free so much. How is a defender supposed to defend if he can't put his hurl in, some players are just waiting for the hurl to come in. Maybe a few injuries will make them start focusing on using the ball rather than winning a free. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 17/07/2019 14:17:51 2212359 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Agree completely but you see Dunphy is from a so called weak county so he is expendable. Always happens. A referee that is noticed is doing a mediocre job at best." Exactly. Wouldn't have happened the other way round! BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 17/07/2019 14:45:36 2212372 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "I agree. However, to say these are 'creeping into the game' is an exaggeration though. They have been a full part of the game for nearly 30 years noe. We occasionally have a chat about it but then we great a hurling game and the narrative becomes 'what a great game we half, leave it alone'." Bennybunny I don't think it is an exaggeration. This is something creeped in in the last 10 years and increasing. We had the case with Tadgh where the player admitted afterwards that Tadgh got caught in his helmet but on the day acted as if his head had been severed. In my day players did not try to get an opponent sent off but tried to have him carried off. Not saying that was right either. There are less dirty strokes off the ball in todays game. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 17/07/2019 19:56:55 2212513 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Bennybunny I don't think it is an exaggeration. This is something creeped in in the last 10 years and increasing. We had the case with Tadgh where the player admitted afterwards that Tadgh got caught in his helmet but on the day acted as if his head had been severed. In my day players did not try to get an opponent sent off but tried to have him carried off. Not saying that was right either. There are less dirty strokes off the ball in todays game." I believe the past and present are connected here. A need to cut back on the agressive play of old led to ref being told to get strict on dangerous play which as soon as players realise this it opens the opportunity to get players sent off by simulation. Just 2 different ways of players using the state of play at the time to their advantage Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 17/07/2019 20:17:20 2212516 Link
Replying To Breezy: "Ya I dont blame the ref as it really is only obvious on tv alot of the time. More reasons for 2 refs" If it's only obvious on TV how is it a reason for 2 refs? Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 17/07/2019 23:19:42 2212592 Link
One thing I 100% support is a TMO for the likes of what the Laois player was sent off for on Sunday. There is often provocation. Both that and off the ball incidents should be looked at on replay. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 18/07/2019 11:25:59 2212704 Link