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Replying To gloryof1982: "They had a hold of each other so who was fouling who? It was a very soft penalty and donegal were lucky to get it. Refs regularly in awe of Murphy. He gets away with a lot of shit housing." "Hold of each other". Keegan had a fistful of jersey. That's a foul.
steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 04/08/2019 11:32:06
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Gough had a decent game last night. Missed a couple for both sides but the conditions were horrendous. I agree the peno was soft enough without the benefit of a tv replay.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 04/08/2019 11:35:25
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I felt he let too much go. Both teams were persistently fouling the opposition defenders as they came out to launch a counter attack. He blew the free but didn't punish it with cards.
He is good in Bringing forward frees when needed.
His big failing yesterday was after the penalty, Donegal lifted the physical exchanges, O Shea got levelled, a lot of aggression was flowing and he did nothing to take the sting out of it.
5 mins later Jason Doherty was on a stretcher. If Gough has taken the sting out of the game when he was supposed to that wouldn't have happened.
In the end, the Doherty injury stoppage took the stings out of the game for him.
Hough like to make the game about him. Let's too much go early in so the game fills with niggle and his calls become a talking point. If he did his job at the start and laid down the law, his importance would diminish.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 04/08/2019 12:26:08
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Difficult game to ref I guess...Stephen. Pens head was nearly taken off.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 04/08/2019 12:56:41
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I thought he had a pretty good game, mostly because he let the players tackle within reason and gave defenders a fighting chance. This stood to Mayo on the day. He wasn't drawn into giving frees for diving either which helped a lot.
Penalty was a close call but Mayo fans would have roared the stand down if it were Andy Moran and the call not given.
A few things missed were Seamus O'Shea's clean lift off the deck on the 13m (would have brought Donegal level I think), Cillian O'Connor black card when he feigned a hamstring injury to get off the hook, and the tackle on Paddy McGrath. Higgins black card was text book (what was Dick Clerking on about for that one?) On another day Hugh McFadden may not have finished the game.
So most of the big calls right and the more imposing team allowed to come out on top. Decent effort.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1058 - 04/08/2019 12:57:30
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Replying To Green_Gold: "That was a difficult game to ref last night in those conditions and I wouldnt be hard on Gough. There are a lot of those half-fouls, which are difficult to call. Players dont help either by throwing themselves to the ground (not having a go at any particular county here).
Even if the penalty was soft, it still was a penalty as he had a hold of shirt. Surely this is a foul?" Murphy also had a hold of Keegan's shirt. T Aiden and Cillian were both flattened off the ball by donegal players with no action taken. Overall I'd say he got a lot of decisions right but he did let a lot go.
mayomanic (Mayo) - Posts: 85 - 04/08/2019 13:02:14
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He had a shockingly poor game, a foul is a foul no interpretation needed, when refs refuse to take action for fouls especially off the ball incidents which linesmen and umpires are suppose to be watching as well, things get heated and a serious injury can happen, the best referee is the person who blows up for a free no matter how often and this talk of letting the game flow is bulls##t, you commit a foul you deserve to be punished, we have 3 games to go after this weekend until we get a champion and more than likely he will ref 1, Dublin Joe the other, who will be number 3
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 04/08/2019 14:32:11
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Replying To gloryof1982: "They had a hold of each other so who was fouling who? It was a very soft penalty and donegal were lucky to get it. Refs regularly in awe of Murphy. He gets away with a lot of shit housing." I've seen Murphy in a fair few games down the years, including ones where my own county half-fouled him all day long and I have to say he's one of the cleanest footballers around. He takes far more than he ever dishes out. Occasionally gets booked unfairly when his opponent is out-muscled, as usually happens with Murphy. You try to take a cut off Murphy and you'll usually end up on your ass and in those circumstances Murphy tends to get penalised for being the last man standing.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 04/08/2019 15:09:31
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Replying To mayomanic: "Murphy also had a hold of Keegan's shirt. T Aiden and Cillian were both flattened off the ball by donegal players with no action taken. Overall I'd say he got a lot of decisions right but he did let a lot go." He got that call wrong. Should have been a throw-in on the fourteen yard line.....both players fouling at the same time.
Got the big call right when the Mayo defender went chest to chest and dispossessed the Donegal player....in the Donegal v Kerry game the ref gave a penalty for a similar tackle.
Failed to call numerous picks off the ground by both O'Se's.
However aside from penalties awarded calls and non-calls tend to even out over the course of games.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 04/08/2019 15:39:47
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "I thought he had a pretty good game, mostly because he let the players tackle within reason and gave defenders a fighting chance. This stood to Mayo on the day. He wasn't drawn into giving frees for diving either which helped a lot.
Penalty was a close call but Mayo fans would have roared the stand down if it were Andy Moran and the call not given.
A few things missed were Seamus O'Shea's clean lift off the deck on the 13m (would have brought Donegal level I think), Cillian O'Connor black card when he feigned a hamstring injury to get off the hook, and the tackle on Paddy McGrath. Higgins black card was text book (what was Dick Clerking on about for that one?) On another day Hugh McFadden may not have finished the game.
So most of the big calls right and the more imposing team allowed to come out on top. Decent effort." Higgins black card was textbook. You're reading from a funny text book. The Donegal forward had ahold of Higgins arm and dragged him to the ground. The same stunt was pulled by a Mayo player later on that the ref got right. It's pretty obvious when you go back and watch the replay. Tough isn't the worst but he's not good.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 04/08/2019 18:03:56
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Replying To cluichethar: "Higgins black card was textbook. You're reading from a funny text book. The Donegal forward had ahold of Higgins arm and dragged him to the ground. The same stunt was pulled by a Mayo player later on that the ref got right. It's pretty obvious when you go back and watch the replay. Tough isn't the worst but he's not good." Absolute stonewall black card, Higgins dragged him down not even debatable.
Got the penalty right as well even though Murphy's theatrics didn't help the referee.
To be fair though the penalty was awarded before Murphy flung himself to the ground.
Look at it this way you don't see too many players question Goughs decisions as they know he's got them right.
Even when he got that penalty award for the Dubs wrong he knew to talk to the umpires and had the bottle to reverse the decision.
BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 04/08/2019 18:57:25
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Replying To riverboys: "He had a shockingly poor game, a foul is a foul no interpretation needed, when refs refuse to take action for fouls especially off the ball incidents which linesmen and umpires are suppose to be watching as well, things get heated and a serious injury can happen, the best referee is the person who blows up for a free no matter how often and this talk of letting the game flow is bulls##t, you commit a foul you deserve to be punished, we have 3 games to go after this weekend until we get a champion and more than likely he will ref 1, Dublin Joe the other, who will be number 3" Gough will do the final.
And deservedly so
BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 04/08/2019 19:00:01
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Replying To BaldyBadger: "If he is then it's a sad indictment on the quality of officials. I think that you need recently finished players to ref. Incentivise them to do so. The problem is at the moment for refs to make the big time they have to start out young. Therefore they wouldn't have played at any sort of decent level. That means we continuously see decisions where attackers can con refs, because refs who have not played cannot see what is happening and go for the cheap easy answer. Refs that have played would not fall for an attacker pinning a defender then falling dramatically. This is common in the game. Nothing to do with Dublin, this is about referees not understanding the game they are officiating. Gough is at least as bad as the rest." Gough played to SFC level in Meath and gave it up to focus on reffing so he has played to a decent level
BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 04/08/2019 19:03:57
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Replying To cluichethar: "Higgins black card was textbook. You're reading from a funny text book. The Donegal forward had ahold of Higgins arm and dragged him to the ground. The same stunt was pulled by a Mayo player later on that the ref got right. It's pretty obvious when you go back and watch the replay. Tough isn't the worst but he's not good." I thought the ref got both calls wrong.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 04/08/2019 19:06:21
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Replying To BoynesideBlue: "Gough played to SFC level in Meath and gave it up to focus on reffing so he has played to a decent level" He plays a lot of games, Dublin can thank him for present of 2016 he and Mc Quillan ignored Mc Manamons felling of Peter Crowley subsequent turnover led to Dublin's insurance point
37sowhat (Sligo) - Posts: 752 - 04/08/2019 19:11:35
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Replying To qwerty368: "Generally he is good but I'll never forget that incident in Donegal where he sent off a Kildare player who he had told to leave the field to obtain a gumshield. Instead of waiting for the kildare player to leave the pitch, he let play recommence and lo and behold, the kildare goalie (obviously unaware of what was going on) passed the ball to the player on his way off the pitch. He proceeded to send off the kildare player and this has to go down as one of the most idiotic series of events to have ever been seen on a gaelic pitch." Idiotic by who though.
Of the three people involved only one knew the rules
BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 04/08/2019 19:14:30
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Replying To qwerty368: "The first yellow card was not for anything to do with the gumshield so stop making up things.
"The ref doesn't stop the game for players who break the rules"
It's easy to imagine how someone could lose their gumshield in the course of a physical sport like Gaelic football. Let's not portray Doyle as being some sort of cynical rule breaker here.
In any case, to not stop the game in such situations leads to chaos as evidenced by what followed, i.e. the Kildare goalie kicking it to a player who was on the pitch but should not have been participating in play. In your mind, Doyle should have just jumped out of the way of the ball and let whichever donegal player was near him tap it over the bar I suppose? That's real gaa logic for you.
What's the problem with waiting 10 seconds for Doyle to leave the pitch before recommencing play? Surely makes more sense?" Two things.
1; The first yellow was for a gumshield offence
2; The player was meant to leave the field and return, he never actually left the field.
As I said only on of the three involved knew the rules, and by the way far more than ten seconds had elapsed before Mark Donnellan kicked the ball out to Doyle,
BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 04/08/2019 19:18:53
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Replying To BoynesideBlue: "Absolute stonewall black card, Higgins dragged him down not even debatable.
Got the penalty right as well even though Murphy's theatrics didn't help the referee.
To be fair though the penalty was awarded before Murphy flung himself to the ground.
Look at it this way you don't see too many players question Goughs decisions as they know he's got them right.
Even when he got that penalty award for the Dubs wrong he knew to talk to the umpires and had the bottle to reverse the decision." Excellent post the black card is not even a debate and to suggest otherwise is well......
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 04/08/2019 19:22:01
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Replying To Gaa Fan: "He got that call wrong. Should have been a throw-in on the fourteen yard line.....both players fouling at the same time.
Got the big call right when the Mayo defender went chest to chest and dispossessed the Donegal player....in the Donegal v Kerry game the ref gave a penalty for a similar tackle.
Failed to call numerous picks off the ground by both O'Se's.
However aside from penalties awarded calls and non-calls tend to even out over the course of games." Nothing similar about it. Refs in both cases got it spot on.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 04/08/2019 19:27:24
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Replying To essmac: "I've seen Murphy in a fair few games down the years, including ones where my own county half-fouled him all day long and I have to say he's one of the cleanest footballers around. He takes far more than he ever dishes out. Occasionally gets booked unfairly when his opponent is out-muscled, as usually happens with Murphy. You try to take a cut off Murphy and you'll usually end up on your ass and in those circumstances Murphy tends to get penalised for being the last man standing." Absolutely spot on. Take a bow one of the most on point posts I have read on here.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 04/08/2019 19:30:13
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