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David Gough Best Ref In Country

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Generally he is good but I'll never forget that incident in Donegal where he sent off a Kildare player who he had told to leave the field to obtain a gumshield. Instead of waiting for the kildare player to leave the pitch, he let play recommence and lo and behold, the kildare goalie (obviously unaware of what was going on) passed the ball to the player on his way off the pitch. He proceeded to send off the kildare player and this has to go down as one of the most idiotic series of events to have ever been seen on a gaelic pitch.

qwerty368 (Kildare) - Posts: 69 - 16/07/2019 14:03:10    2211876

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Replying To qwerty368:  "Generally he is good but I'll never forget that incident in Donegal where he sent off a Kildare player who he had told to leave the field to obtain a gumshield. Instead of waiting for the kildare player to leave the pitch, he let play recommence and lo and behold, the kildare goalie (obviously unaware of what was going on) passed the ball to the player on his way off the pitch. He proceeded to send off the kildare player and this has to go down as one of the most idiotic series of events to have ever been seen on a gaelic pitch."
Oh im not sure qwerty. The rules are clear cut here and he didnt just send Eoin off for failing to following his direct once. Doyle was asked more that once to retrieve his gum shield. Fair enough Gough could have showed a little discretion but again he asked him more than once.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 16/07/2019 15:51:41    2211927

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Replying To Sindar:  "Coldrick didn't blow for a penalty for Roscommon on Saturday when it was blatant. The tackle on Smith as he was kicking the ball. (Don't take it as a gripe as we'd have lost anyway and it would have been a "lucky" penalty cause the angle for the shot was very tight - but it was still a penalty).
I also noticed that his umpires were out of position when Peter Harte struck the crossbar. The ball crashed down about a foot from the line. Both umpires were behind the goal but one umpire is always supposed to be on the goal line for such decisions. They got lucky because if it was marginal they'd have been in trouble. InterCounty referees pick and train their umpires and are assessed on their perfomance."
Yeh it was a definite pen and the Sunday game didnt highlight it.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 16/07/2019 15:53:13    2211929

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Replying To daytona11:  "Oh im not sure qwerty. The rules are clear cut here and he didnt just send Eoin off for failing to following his direct once. Doyle was asked more that once to retrieve his gum shield. Fair enough Gough could have showed a little discretion but again he asked him more than once."
anyone with even a small bit of common sense would know that the game should be stopped in such a scenario. give the player time to leave the pitch instead of recommencing play. otherwise, you have the farcical situation which materialised in which the kildare goalie thought that doyle was still participating in play. Did you ever wonder why they stop play for substitutions? same logic applies here. I'm amazed that you would defend gough on this.

qwerty368 (Kildare) - Posts: 69 - 16/07/2019 16:18:45    2211941

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Replying To qwerty368:  "anyone with even a small bit of common sense would know that the game should be stopped in such a scenario. give the player time to leave the pitch instead of recommencing play. otherwise, you have the farcical situation which materialised in which the kildare goalie thought that doyle was still participating in play. Did you ever wonder why they stop play for substitutions? same logic applies here. I'm amazed that you would defend gough on this."
I'm sure there must have been a thread on this in the past but sure let's have another go at it. I believe he had been advised before throw in to put in his mouthguard and didn't do it. Yellow card. He was then given a second chance to go and do it and decided to play the ball in the meantime thinking the ref didn't have the balls to send him off. He was wrong!
The ref doesn't stop the game for players who break the rules which includes black card subs and mouthguards. I have no sympathy for the player. Ref was 100% right. He's made thousands of decisions since then on the field but let's not forget the one against your team.

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2019 16:48:29    2211960

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Replying To Sindar:  "I'm sure there must have been a thread on this in the past but sure let's have another go at it. I believe he had been advised before throw in to put in his mouthguard and didn't do it. Yellow card. He was then given a second chance to go and do it and decided to play the ball in the meantime thinking the ref didn't have the balls to send him off. He was wrong!
The ref doesn't stop the game for players who break the rules which includes black card subs and mouthguards. I have no sympathy for the player. Ref was 100% right. He's made thousands of decisions since then on the field but let's not forget the one against your team."
The first yellow card was not for anything to do with the gumshield so stop making up things.

"The ref doesn't stop the game for players who break the rules"

It's easy to imagine how someone could lose their gumshield in the course of a physical sport like Gaelic football. Let's not portray Doyle as being some sort of cynical rule breaker here.

In any case, to not stop the game in such situations leads to chaos as evidenced by what followed, i.e. the Kildare goalie kicking it to a player who was on the pitch but should not have been participating in play. In your mind, Doyle should have just jumped out of the way of the ball and let whichever donegal player was near him tap it over the bar I suppose? That's real gaa logic for you.

What's the problem with waiting 10 seconds for Doyle to leave the pitch before recommencing play? Surely makes more sense?

qwerty368 (Kildare) - Posts: 69 - 16/07/2019 17:42:16    2211979

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Replying To qwerty368:  "The first yellow card was not for anything to do with the gumshield so stop making up things.

"The ref doesn't stop the game for players who break the rules"

It's easy to imagine how someone could lose their gumshield in the course of a physical sport like Gaelic football. Let's not portray Doyle as being some sort of cynical rule breaker here.

In any case, to not stop the game in such situations leads to chaos as evidenced by what followed, i.e. the Kildare goalie kicking it to a player who was on the pitch but should not have been participating in play. In your mind, Doyle should have just jumped out of the way of the ball and let whichever donegal player was near him tap it over the bar I suppose? That's real gaa logic for you.

What's the problem with waiting 10 seconds for Doyle to leave the pitch before recommencing play? Surely makes more sense?"
Get over it man. It was in a league game a long time ago.

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/07/2019 18:40:12    2211999

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Replying To Sindar:  "Get over it man. It was in a league game a long time ago."
I'm over it. I just thought it was an example of bad refereeing by Gough and is relevant in the context of the thread.

qwerty368 (Kildare) - Posts: 69 - 16/07/2019 19:41:04    2212025

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Replying To qwerty368:  "anyone with even a small bit of common sense would know that the game should be stopped in such a scenario. give the player time to leave the pitch instead of recommencing play. otherwise, you have the farcical situation which materialised in which the kildare goalie thought that doyle was still participating in play. Did you ever wonder why they stop play for substitutions? same logic applies here. I'm amazed that you would defend gough on this."
Where does it say in the rule book the ref must stop the game and everyone wait around until someone gets their gum shield in? This is senior football not under 12s. They dont stop play for subs. Play has already been stopped and the sub is made during a break in that play.

Donnellan could see what was happening, kicked the ball out to the wing and doyle went and played it after being told to get a gum shield. Already on a yellow. He as an inter county footballer should know that failing to comply with a refs instruction is a yellow card. Thats as simple as that.

Im not defending the man but Gough implemented the rule book. Not that strange considering he is a referee.

Im amazed that you think Eoin was sent off for failing to comply once. It was at least twice he was told about the gum shield.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 16/07/2019 20:09:22    2212038

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Replying To daytona11:  "Where does it say in the rule book the ref must stop the game and everyone wait around until someone gets their gum shield in? This is senior football not under 12s. They dont stop play for subs. Play has already been stopped and the sub is made during a break in that play.

Donnellan could see what was happening, kicked the ball out to the wing and doyle went and played it after being told to get a gum shield. Already on a yellow. He as an inter county footballer should know that failing to comply with a refs instruction is a yellow card. Thats as simple as that.

Im not defending the man but Gough implemented the rule book. Not that strange considering he is a referee.

Im amazed that you think Eoin was sent off for failing to comply once. It was at least twice he was told about the gum shield."
Yes but a sub cannot be made unless there is a break in play so it means the same thing essentially.

So common sense goes out the window because the rule book is silent on something? Ok then....

qwerty368 (Kildare) - Posts: 69 - 16/07/2019 20:21:39    2212046

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Replying To qwerty368:  "Yes but a sub cannot be made unless there is a break in play so it means the same thing essentially.

So common sense goes out the window because the rule book is silent on something? Ok then...."
But you have said that play should have been stopped. I'm merely pointing out that the rule book is clear when play should be stopped and its to do with a serious injury. Play isnt stopped to let a lad tie his lace or get a drink of water etc.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 16/07/2019 20:45:49    2212060

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Replying To Sindar:  "Coldrick didn't blow for a penalty for Roscommon on Saturday when it was blatant. The tackle on Smith as he was kicking the ball. (Don't take it as a gripe as we'd have lost anyway and it would have been a "lucky" penalty cause the angle for the shot was very tight - but it was still a penalty).
I also noticed that his umpires were out of position when Peter Harte struck the crossbar. The ball crashed down about a foot from the line. Both umpires were behind the goal but one umpire is always supposed to be on the goal line for such decisions. They got lucky because if it was marginal they'd have been in trouble. InterCounty referees pick and train their umpires and are assessed on their perfomance."
He was only getting his own back for what Paddy Neilan did last year, swings and roundabouts my dear man.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 16/07/2019 21:10:25    2212076

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Brutal! He should not be given air time anymore. He is so inconsistent. Whether I agree with his wife interpretation of rules is my own opinion. But his own inconsistency is there for all to see. Inept.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 03/08/2019 19:15:46    2220186

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How only one Mayo man got the black card in that first half is a joke. Joke of a ref.

HighStoolBandit (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 03/08/2019 19:42:31    2220204

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Replying To HighStoolBandit:  "How only one Mayo man got the black card in that first half is a joke. Joke of a ref."
Today's game was impossible to ref. Every 15 seconds there was a potential free according to the rules and because of the weather. I thought he was fair

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 03/08/2019 19:57:48    2220218

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Replying To HighStoolBandit:  "How only one Mayo man got the black card in that first half is a joke. Joke of a ref."
And what of Michael Murphy? Was acting the scut all day and nothing done

gloryof1982 (Offaly) - Posts: 8 - 03/08/2019 20:24:27    2220236

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Replying To HighStoolBandit:  "How only one Mayo man got the black card in that first half is a joke. Joke of a ref."
Blah blah blah...Stephen coen had the head taken off him and ow alt was a joke with both players Pauling each other but better team won anyway

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 04/08/2019 08:03:26    2220410

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That was a difficult game to ref last night in those conditions and I wouldnt be hard on Gough. There are a lot of those half-fouls, which are difficult to call. Players dont help either by throwing themselves to the ground (not having a go at any particular county here).

Even if the penalty was soft, it still was a penalty as he had a hold of shirt. Surely this is a foul?

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 04/08/2019 10:25:26    2220452

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Thought Gough had a great game last night.
That was a tough game to ref but felt he did well keeping a lid on it.

No ref will get 100% of the calls right but felt he got majority right and allowed the game to flow.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 04/08/2019 10:49:18    2220469

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "That was a difficult game to ref last night in those conditions and I wouldnt be hard on Gough. There are a lot of those half-fouls, which are difficult to call. Players dont help either by throwing themselves to the ground (not having a go at any particular county here).

Even if the penalty was soft, it still was a penalty as he had a hold of shirt. Surely this is a foul?"
They had a hold of each other so who was fouling who? It was a very soft penalty and donegal were lucky to get it. Refs regularly in awe of Murphy. He gets away with a lot of shit housing.

gloryof1982 (Offaly) - Posts: 8 - 04/08/2019 11:06:54    2220483

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