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That is a mature response Wayno and fair play to you. I just wish other Dubs would take your lead. Dublin are a great team, if they didn't have the money, home advantage etc etc they still would have won all Irelands. Its just some Dubs with the "im the number 1 Dub fan in the whole world and we can't admit anything is an advantage to Dublin." If Dublin are getting home advantage just say "yes its an advantage", don't argue with it, because it is a clear advantage. Same as the money, its an advantage, there is no argument, so stop trying to justify it. I have the utmost respect for Dublin and there achievements and they will be talked about for years to come. But I just think the Dub fans don't appreciate the frustrations of other counties when some of the advantages Dublin have may have tipped a game in Dublin's favour. Its only natural to get frustrated. And may I add some of the criticisms of the Dublin team are OTT. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/06/2019 10:34:09 2202020 Link 1 |
Good post Fridge.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 28/06/2019 10:49:37 2202026 Link 1 |
Success of a team should be taken out of this debate. I'm sure when Kerry were completely dominant a lot of GAA supporters from outside the county were bored and fed up of them winning just as people outside of Dublin are now. That's a natural feeling to have when one team is so far ahead of the rest. It also happens within counties when you have dominant clubs winning several championships in a row. Usually in these scenarios, the dominate team might have some advantages over others and the main one usually is they simply have the best players of that particular era. Other advantages can be things like population and facilities available to that team but that has always been the case up and down the country and not much can be done about it except maybe helping out the less successful clubs and counties with their facilities and a lot of this work has been and is going on. A lot of Dublin supporters point to previous eras of dominance from other teams like Kerry and Kilkenny etc and say that there wasn't the same begrudgery shown to those teams as Dublin get now and that might well be true but no one loved those teams outside of those counties. Dublin supporters also say that people from outside Dublin are only complaining about the money side of things because of their success but as I said at the start of this post if you take success out of it, do you think everyone would be okay with the funding figures that have been revealed in recent times? The fact Dublin are successful definitely adds fuel to the fire but it's something that would cause a huge issue no matter what. I believe this Dublin team would be there without the additional funding they get and I don't hate this team because of that. I dislike them because they are so good and if anyone was to beat them I'd be delighted. I've mentioned on other threads that this particular Dublin team have small advantages over other teams and the main one is their use of Croke Park. I know it's out of their control but when you look at how the GAA have designed certain things to Dublin's advantage and then you throw the funding and the sponsorship deals on top of that then it's hard to say it's not played a small part on their success. Yes, this is one of the greatest groups of players ever to have come through but as pointed out by a previous poster some of Dublin's victories in all ireland finals over the last 4 years have been quite small and when it comes down to fine margins like that then you would have to ask do those small advantages add up to 1 win? Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 28/06/2019 11:34:35 2202038 Link 4 |
Dublin have received unfair financial benefits, however, they have used this money excellently and continued to develop more sources of income through sponsorship. dakid (Australia) - Posts: 284 - 28/06/2019 12:50:36 2202061 Link 0 |
The funding is, of course, scandalous, but I don't think anyone should reasonably expect any major changes. Dublin, rightfully, receive the majority of funding due to having the most players etc. Success at the highest level ultimately comes hand in hand with that, but I believe Dublin would have won 5 in a row regardless. SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 372 - 28/06/2019 13:36:51 2202077 Link 0 |
Haven't Dublin won more at u21 level? That's the level that matters not minor.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 28/06/2019 13:45:57 2202080 Link 8 |
Can we have a provincial discussion? It is the solution. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7818 - 28/06/2019 16:07:26 2202120 Link 1 |
Ha ha, in fairness I read a couple of paragraphs and nearly fell asleep. I am definitely not trying to put down this current Dublin side, I have nothing but total admiration for them. I love the way they go about their business with no bullsh** from them. I thinking the funding issue is a different matter entirely though but people are mixing both up.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 28/06/2019 16:50:17 2202130 Link 1 |
Name another sport where the governing body fund one team more than any other team, Provides stadia for that team, gives that team every game in same stadium ? The same governing body then changes the format to a super 8 format and again gives one team 2 home games when everyone else gets 1 home game. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 28/06/2019 17:01:55 2202136 Link 4 |
I've never been much one to complain about the money but to dismiss out of hand the role that money plays is a bit rich (pardon the pun). Also I fully acknowledge that it's perfectly normal to defend something you love and are very proud of and the Dubs should be proud of their current team. But just a couple of things. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 28/06/2019 17:16:06 2202140 Link 5 |
Can we just have one master Dublin Venting Thread please Fear Administrator, im all for rich debate once its open minded or there is some new smoking gun to push it forward, but really a lot of these threads are just the same arguments, on the same points, same old numbers that have been dissected and analysed for and against, proven and disprove, week after week. People think they are making an original point every time, its a total stale debate at this stage and boring. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/06/2019 17:28:05 2202144 Link 6 |
The governing body being made up in the majority by non-Dubs of course. You're right. Where would you get it. Turkeys voting for Xmas.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 28/06/2019 19:16:54 2202172 Link 8 |
Absolutely Joxer spot on, A complete disconnect with what the normal man and woman of the organisation thinks. Read my post again point out what ive said thats not true Joxer? No deflection or look whatabourty now. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 28/06/2019 20:18:37 2202195 Link 1 |
There are all sorts of culchies in Ireland, a good few have settled in Dublin and have volunteered to promote gaelic football and hurling in the capital. In fact the GAA would be in dire straits in Dublin without those various generations of culchies. Sports ppl in general go for the underdog. In hurling most supporters would like to see the big three beaten, KK, Tipp and Cork. Not that they have anything against them but that they have won so much over the years which means the others have lost a fair bit. Personally I'd be in favour of positive discrimination in the sense that counties who are weak in either football or hurling should be given some extra assistance for a period of time. I was in favour of the promotion and development of hurling in Dublin. I thought and still do that it would be good for the game in general as well as in Dublin. But to have given extra funding to gaelic football in Dublin when it was already very strong in the capital was simply wrong and has widened the gap between the strongest and the weaker counties. It's not the Dublin footballers fault or doing, but politics has paid its part and it hasn't helped the overall development of gaelic football in the country.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 28/06/2019 20:54:44 2202200 Link 1 |
Go wan the gales,
Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 28/06/2019 21:14:29 2202202 Link 0 |
These are different times. An offally,Westmeath, Kildare, Laois or Westmeath will never win a Leinster title again in its current state.Dublin will win the next infinity Leinster titles in a row, they got their act together and fair play to them just as Kerry will in munster, Clare 1992 and that's it with the very odd cork title. Not that long ago dubs wud have a sell out for a first round, not anymore, 50k Leinster final against Meath??? Munster final 18k crowd?? Seriously, Gaelic football is in serious trouble, going to be impossible to motivate players in lesser counties from here on out. You just can't put in that professional effort year after year with the hope of keeping a score line down. The futures youth won't do it and I can't say I blame them. Change badly needed.
bottletopbill (Wexford) - Posts: 71 - 28/06/2019 21:55:24 2202212 Link 1 |
Oh Christ another forum obsessing with dublin PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 28/06/2019 22:06:40 2202216 Link 4 |
Lot of angles to this debate. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1337 - 28/06/2019 22:33:42 2202220 Link 0 |
Not too many counties giving their U23 players a "bursury" to not travel to the states for the summer. Yet the dubs do it. Let's not have any more nonsense about this being a level playing field mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 28/06/2019 22:54:51 2202222 Link 0 |
How long will it take the Dubs to get ahead of Kerry in All ireland wins centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 28/06/2019 23:02:23 2202225 Link 0 |