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Lots of rubbish being written that the money had nothing to do with Ducklings current success. Of course it has. Ur had helped build quality coaching structures around the county that has allowed it to maximize its natural demographic average to build a conveyor belt of talent. Do I blame Dublin for this, absolutely not. In fact I applaud them for making the most of what they got.
But the GAA need to do a couple of things quickly. One is publish details of what every county gets and the criteria including all funding from councils and government excluding sponsorship.
Ensure all countries at the very least get equal funding apportioned in using a lesser registered player or some alternative radical (it most be transparent). Yes Dublin will get more than everyone using this approach but thay is only right based on size. But it will be more equitable. Thee should also be a minimum amount for the really small countries and some should get special designation for extra eg Leitrim.
All funding should be tied to a professional development plan. Where the small counties have no expertise or funding to create such a plan Croke Park should have a task force to do so.
Splitting Dublin should be the very last option (however logical) as it can be very hard to get supporters to engage with new sporting entities. Welsh rugby being a prime example.
Rural depopulation is causing small clubs to struggle. Amalgamations etc will have to happen but Country boards with central funding will need to help this process. If this can be addressed maybe with smaller sided games at certain levels to allow more competitive clubs around the country it can help revive the game in areas where it is dying.
There are many aspects to Dublins dominance and money is very important but real expertise and future planning is also essential. For all the talk about the GAA being conservative they made some huge changes to structures in the early years (parish rule etc) it is only as we get more into the 21st century that we seem reluctant to change.
PS will Galway bate Mayo........... Gaillimh abù:-)
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1833 - 06/07/2019 08:34:33
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Replying To westkerry: "No microscope on Kerry Minors because it was done without the intervention of the central council.
Dublin are under the microscope because of the blatant imbalance and unfairness that is there for all to see." Eh no, they're under the microscope due their success. Dublin, as the capital and most populous county, has had money invested in it for years. Where were all the bleeding hearts when the Dubs weren't winning if this is not about their success?
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/07/2019 10:23:18
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I didn't realise the extent of Dublins player development program using paid coaches and how the funding was put in place when this thread started. It was only by going on the internet for a few hours that you really get a sense of how in terms of training kids Dublin are operating in almost a parellel universe for a long time now. Our local club is all parents/volunteers training kids. In the age groups I am involved with we have had a specialist coach have an hours visit to us once in the last 2 years.
Amazing reading of the origins of this funding and how originally Dublin chairman Baily went to Bertie looking for the money and Bertie told the GAA he would grant them money only on condition that it was allocated for Baily's Dublin plan. (www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/bertie-ahern-explains-how-he-helped-finance-the-dublin-gaa-revolution-37366135.html).
Since the recession state funding to the GAA has been cut and state funding to the GAA does not come with conditions that it be spent in a certain area like before but the funding the GAA gives out is largely distributed in the same manner as before. I could understand initially Dublin getting funding above their player numbers as it is important that the GAA is promoted in by far the biggest population centre in the country but what this developed into compared to the rest of the country is just too much and can't be justified. Also Dublin have now grown into a brand which for many years attracts the same top end sponsors as Man United and the All Blacks, why do they still need this funding ?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1356 - 06/07/2019 11:44:45
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Replying To Joxer: "Eh no, they're under the microscope due their success. Dublin, as the capital and most populous county, has had money invested in it for years. Where were all the bleeding hearts when the Dubs weren't winning if this is not about their success?" Haha why do you think Bertie initially ringfenced 1 million of sports grant funding for Dublin? Exactly because you werent winning, its not rocket science.
You lads are fed up listening to it because people are actually paying attention to it now. Listen to any GAA podcast its everywhere.
You have a great side but if your telling me 17 million hasn't contributed in any way to Dublins success then your just completely disingenuous.
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 06/07/2019 11:54:00
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Replying To westkerry: "Haha why do you think Bertie initially ringfenced 1 million of sports grant funding for Dublin? Exactly because you werent winning, its not rocket science.
You lads are fed up listening to it because people are actually paying attention to it now. Listen to any GAA podcast its everywhere.
You have a great side but if your telling me 17 million hasn't contributed in any way to Dublins success then your just completely disingenuous." So what you're saying is that Dublin, before they started becoming successful in 2010, were under the spotlight for funding and the current witch hunt has nothing to do with recent success? No. No I don't think so. Didn't a Kerry man, Sean Kelly, oversee the commencement of cash injections into Dublin GAA? €1m. Pfft, same amount of money donated by Kerry Group PLC to their team for their centre of excellence. That's the equivalent of almost €7 per head of population or the same as AIG gifting €11m to Dublin for a centre of excellence. No wonder Kerry PLC has 81 Munster titles, 37 AI titles and is going for 6 in a row at minor level. They also have a good ally in Kerry TD Brendan Griffin Minister of State for Tourism and Sport who granted €600K this year to sports clubs in Kerry, €4 per head of population. He has donated €3m to Kerry sports clubs over the last 18 months. US funding in 2015 raised €1.1m for Kerry PLC's centre of excellence. Kerry not only have a major sponsor in the form of Kerry Group but the funds roll in from financial institutions such as ILCU and Acorn Life, hotel groups like the The Brehon and The Malton Hotel, Skins Sportswear, Castleisland Co-op, The Kerryman newspaper, and Keanes Supervalu. There's no shortage of money in the single code Kingdom with it's 140,000 population. No wonder they have more silverware than Newbridge.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/07/2019 14:02:09
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Replying To Joxer: "So what you're saying is that Dublin, before they started becoming successful in 2010, were under the spotlight for funding and the current witch hunt has nothing to do with recent success? No. No I don't think so. Didn't a Kerry man, Sean Kelly, oversee the commencement of cash injections into Dublin GAA? €1m. Pfft, same amount of money donated by Kerry Group PLC to their team for their centre of excellence. That's the equivalent of almost €7 per head of population or the same as AIG gifting €11m to Dublin for a centre of excellence. No wonder Kerry PLC has 81 Munster titles, 37 AI titles and is going for 6 in a row at minor level. They also have a good ally in Kerry TD Brendan Griffin Minister of State for Tourism and Sport who granted €600K this year to sports clubs in Kerry, €4 per head of population. He has donated €3m to Kerry sports clubs over the last 18 months. US funding in 2015 raised €1.1m for Kerry PLC's centre of excellence. Kerry not only have a major sponsor in the form of Kerry Group but the funds roll in from financial institutions such as ILCU and Acorn Life, hotel groups like the The Brehon and The Malton Hotel, Skins Sportswear, Castleisland Co-op, The Kerryman newspaper, and Keanes Supervalu. There's no shortage of money in the single code Kingdom with it's 140,000 population. No wonder they have more silverware than Newbridge." Jesus, I never knew Kerry PLC had access to such funds. Verrry interesting
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 06/07/2019 18:39:30
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Replying To Joxer: "So what you're saying is that Dublin, before they started becoming successful in 2010, were under the spotlight for funding and the current witch hunt has nothing to do with recent success? No. No I don't think so. Didn't a Kerry man, Sean Kelly, oversee the commencement of cash injections into Dublin GAA? €1m. Pfft, same amount of money donated by Kerry Group PLC to their team for their centre of excellence. That's the equivalent of almost €7 per head of population or the same as AIG gifting €11m to Dublin for a centre of excellence. No wonder Kerry PLC has 81 Munster titles, 37 AI titles and is going for 6 in a row at minor level. They also have a good ally in Kerry TD Brendan Griffin Minister of State for Tourism and Sport who granted €600K this year to sports clubs in Kerry, €4 per head of population. He has donated €3m to Kerry sports clubs over the last 18 months. US funding in 2015 raised €1.1m for Kerry PLC's centre of excellence. Kerry not only have a major sponsor in the form of Kerry Group but the funds roll in from financial institutions such as ILCU and Acorn Life, hotel groups like the The Brehon and The Malton Hotel, Skins Sportswear, Castleisland Co-op, The Kerryman newspaper, and Keanes Supervalu. There's no shortage of money in the single code Kingdom with it's 140,000 population. No wonder they have more silverware than Newbridge." Whatboutry of the finest Joxer gold star.
You see your comparing funding self generated from local businesses such as hotels and shops to the financial assistance from Croke Park.
Your a smart lad you can see the difference right?
Sean Kelly was a non partisan president who saw Dublin in difficulty and agreed with the funding in the mid 2000s. He and others have since admitted i believe that they never envisaged it resulting in what we have today.
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 06/07/2019 19:49:37
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Replying To Joxer: "Eh no, they're under the microscope due their success. Dublin, as the capital and most populous county, has had money invested in it for years. Where were all the bleeding hearts when the Dubs weren't winning if this is not about their success?" Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles and are on track to win their 7th All Ireland in 9 years. The microscope has only really been put on the financial aspect of it in the last 12 months as it has now become increasingly obvious that the march of Dublin is relentless with the huge level of financial doping they have received. People probably accepted the initial dominance of the last decade as just in the natural course of events. That is clearly not the case any more.
jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 06/07/2019 20:06:28
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Just get over it, its up to other counties to raise their own bar and stop wallowing in self pity.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 06/07/2019 20:08:39
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Replying To avonali: "Jesus, I never knew Kerry PLC had access to such funds. Verrry interesting" Not very well publicised because they don't play in blue but the money is rolling in from all angles. When you consider that this is a county with just a population of 140K, who are kings of football in a hurling province, they have a huge list of sponsors, dollars rolling in from the US, are single code and have a great friend in Minister Griffin. Advantages? Advantages indeed!
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/07/2019 20:16:35
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Replying To jimski: "Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles and are on track to win their 7th All Ireland in 9 years. The microscope has only really been put on the financial aspect of it in the last 12 months as it has now become increasingly obvious that the march of Dublin is relentless with the huge level of financial doping they have received. People probably accepted the initial dominance of the last decade as just in the natural course of events. That is clearly not the case any more." Everytime someone uses the term financial doping its cringeworthy. Ewan McKenna has a lot to answer for.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 06/07/2019 20:17:14
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Replying To avonali: "Jesus, I never knew Kerry PLC had access to such funds. Verrry interesting" Sure you didn't know there were gaa clubs covering some parts of your own fair city either until some non dubs helped you out. Verrrry interesting.
Keep checking in here dubs fans and we'll do our best to get you up to speed on how things work so that you don't keep making fools of yourselves.
Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 06/07/2019 20:35:26
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Replying To Bon: "Just get over it, its up to other counties to raise their own bar and stop wallowing in self pity." Hear hear.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/07/2019 20:40:12
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Replying To Mayonman: "Lots of rubbish being written that the money had nothing to do with Ducklings current success. Of course it has. Ur had helped build quality coaching structures around the county that has allowed it to maximize its natural demographic average to build a conveyor belt of talent. Do I blame Dublin for this, absolutely not. In fact I applaud them for making the most of what they got.
But the GAA need to do a couple of things quickly. One is publish details of what every county gets and the criteria including all funding from councils and government excluding sponsorship.
Ensure all countries at the very least get equal funding apportioned in using a lesser registered player or some alternative radical (it most be transparent). Yes Dublin will get more than everyone using this approach but thay is only right based on size. But it will be more equitable. Thee should also be a minimum amount for the really small countries and some should get special designation for extra eg Leitrim.
All funding should be tied to a professional development plan. Where the small counties have no expertise or funding to create such a plan Croke Park should have a task force to do so.
Splitting Dublin should be the very last option (however logical) as it can be very hard to get supporters to engage with new sporting entities. Welsh rugby being a prime example.
Rural depopulation is causing small clubs to struggle. Amalgamations etc will have to happen but Country boards with central funding will need to help this process. If this can be addressed maybe with smaller sided games at certain levels to allow more competitive clubs around the country it can help revive the game in areas where it is dying.
There are many aspects to Dublins dominance and money is very important but real expertise and future planning is also essential. For all the talk about the GAA being conservative they made some huge changes to structures in the early years (parish rule etc) it is only as we get more into the 21st century that we seem reluctant to change.
PS will Galway bate Mayo........... Gaillimh abù:-)" One big flaw in the argument that Dublin bought success by shovelling millions at coaching. If this template requires money how come our Hurlers are not on 5 in a row? Unlike other counties we are an equal opportunity organisation so how come this template backed with billions has not had the same guaranteed success you seem to think money brings? It doesn't because at the end of the day it is about raw talent and ability, looking at the football games today, precious little of that around.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 06/07/2019 20:46:09
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Tommy Lyons said the other day the money (18 million from 07 to 2018) is irrelevant. I agree. So now we can stop the payments immediately.
Also if 18 million for 1.2 million population the right amount, and I am not questioning it, then perhaps capita Kildare has .2 million so in same period surely they for 1 example should have gotten 3 million euros? ??
tadghieboy (Cork) - Posts: 69 - 06/07/2019 20:50:39
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Tommy Lyons said the other day the money (18 million from 07 to 2018) is irrelevant. I agree. So now we can stop the payments immediately.
Also if 18 million for 1.2 million population the right amount, and I am not questioning it, then perhaps capita Kildare has .2 million so in same period surely they for 1 example should have gotten 3 million euros? ??
tadghieboy (Cork) - Posts: 69 - 06/07/2019 20:57:54
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Replying To Greenfield: "Sure you didn't know there were gaa clubs covering some parts of your own fair city either until some non dubs helped you out. Verrrry interesting.
Keep checking in here dubs fans and we'll do our best to get you up to speed on how things work so that you don't keep making fools of yourselves." like the way your lot made fools of themselves scoring 4 points in 75 minutes of football -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 06/07/2019 21:38:58
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Replying To jimski: "Dublin have won 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles and are on track to win their 7th All Ireland in 9 years. The microscope has only really been put on the financial aspect of it in the last 12 months as it has now become increasingly obvious that the march of Dublin is relentless with the huge level of financial doping they have received. People probably accepted the initial dominance of the last decade as just in the natural course of events. That is clearly not the case any more." Aww feeling better now hun -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 06/07/2019 21:43:53
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Replying To Joxer: "Not very well publicised because they don't play in blue but the money is rolling in from all angles. When you consider that this is a county with just a population of 140K, who are kings of football in a hurling province, they have a huge list of sponsors, dollars rolling in from the US, are single code and have a great friend in Minister Griffin. Advantages? Advantages indeed!" So Kerry are a single code county are we?
Stick to talking about what's inside the M50 lad. Your ignorance of anything outside it, particularly Munster GAA is embarrassing and painful to read.
P.S, Kerry Group were started from a small co-op in my village - a proud hurling village would you believe.
Kerry people's entrepreneurship and hard graft turned it into a billion euro company that still employees a hell of a lot of people in Kerry - and we certainly need that with every second job in this land seemingly ear-marked for Dublin.
Kerry Group keep their connection with their native place through their sponsorship of Kerry GAA teams.
Can you tell me lad what connection AIG or Vodafone before them have with Dublin??
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/07/2019 21:51:48
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Replying To tadghieboy: "Tommy Lyons said the other day the money (18 million from 07 to 2018) is irrelevant. I agree. So now we can stop the payments immediately.
Also if 18 million for 1.2 million population the right amount, and I am not questioning it, then perhaps capita Kildare has .2 million so in same period surely they for 1 example should have gotten 3 million euros? ??" Former "Dublin manager" Lyons says its nothing to do with money. and has a dig at Kildare and Meath for been awful while he is atit.. Ah Jayus..... NEXT !!!
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 06/07/2019 21:56:06
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